Last fight of the FFA: Avurekhos versus Nayl

Nayl

I noticed a lack of logs recently so...

This log starts from after Chade was eliminated from the Free for All, leaving @Avurekhos and myself in the Avenger arena. 

We gave each other time to apply defenses and such before engaging...

Last Fight

Cyndarin

I think this log should be named "cheeseball druid does everything wrong." He attempted to spam the cheese, which is normally really effective, but did it without any real strategy or plan. Classic case of leaning on the win button. I mean, if you're going to play something so over the top cheesy like a double attrition blackout spamming allergy druid, the least you could do is not spam vines against an acrobat and let them punch you in the face.

 

I think that sounded harsh, but whatever. If you are going to lean on cheeseball combat, I'm going to say it.

Ciaran

Wow you're a jerk!

Munsia

Avu is in need of serious training, though. His melding compositions are horrible for a Champion. Can't really blame him though, noone to really train him to begin with. He probably had to learn it all on his own.

Maligorn

I think I recall you saying something about monks needing to be put down in another thread, @Celina. This log is more like big cheeseball overwhelms little cheeseball.

Avurekhos did have to learn on his own, I think, and no one's stepping up to help him. I've prodded @Elanorwen about it, since I think she's had success with druidry melds? Dunno though.

EDIT: No offense to Nayl. Ninjakari can basically glare at anyone and they start bleeding for 1k health.

EDIT DEUS: I think the Stealth Waylay in the middle was especially a good move.

Iasmos

Kinda funny to call the druid the cheeseball one against the monk, but okay.

Those colors have caused me a temporary sort of blindness. Oi.

Silvanus

My favorite part was where the Shadowdancer called out somebody else's cheese moves.

At least he didn't actually go the full attrition route and fully induce the person to get drunk. What you should do is induce the person to remove their cleanse, or put their cleanse into a letter, then sap.

I don't think Avu does all that bad, in group combat at least. It's hard to tell anything from this log due to a combination of horrid colors, blackout and monk spamming, except that Nayl needs a beast.

Iasmos

Nayl has a beast. It's in the log. The two just got separated.

Silvanus

Well it's hard to read in my defense, and still simple fix

Climb down
order hydra follow me
climb up
Kata stuff

Cyndarin

Well yes, monks are universally cheesy and everyone knows that. However, a druid (especially a double attrition druid) is extremely well equipped to handle monks. Druids, broadly speaking, are a counter to monks because momentum is very difficult to maintain on moving targets (or targets that move you). So monk cheese doens't really come in to play vs a druid unless you just stand there and let them hit you.

 

PS: Yes, I am a jerk. I don't feel obligated to give fake nice combat advice if they're just going to lean on blackout mashing. You can be bad (or "horrible") and still try. I'll be nice when they're trying, and not just falling asleep on 2 buttons. I don't get the desire to pk and run for champion if you're just tying every key on your keyboard to memoryloss or vines.

Cyndarin

Silvanus said:

My favorite part was where the Shadowdancer called out somebody else's cheese moves.

At least he didn't actually go the full attrition route and fully induce the person to get drunk. What you should do is induce the person to remove their cleanse, or put their cleanse into a letter, then sap.

I don't think Avu does all that bad, in group combat at least. It's hard to tell anything from this log due to a combination of horrid colors, blackout and monk spamming, except that Nayl needs a beast.

I'm a healer. SO MUCH CHEESE. God, do you ever stop crying about me. Did I run over your kitten or something I'm unaware of?

Maligorn

^The megalomania is strong in this one

Cyndarin

At least the name calling has gotten more creative over the years.

Lothringen

If you're not using Celina to fuel your hate fire and get better, you're doing it wrong.

Elanorwen

Maligorn said:

Avurekhos did have to learn on his own, I think, and no one's stepping up to help him. I've prodded @Elanorwen about it, since I think she's had success with druidry melds? Dunno though.

Have offered. Never got taken up on it. And really, you'd be amazed at the amount of self-help every Seren guild needs these days. Either way, I can't force people into accepting my teaching. If there's no interest to learn, then there will be no attempt to teach.

Munsia

I wouldn't suggest taking help from anyone on yalls side of the alliance for meld advice. 

Cyndarin

Ooooh gurl, she called you out.

Neos

I agree, we should all take tips from the true Master of Meldetism, FillinMunsia.

Belibi

well, at least we don't have to wonder about why nobody posts logs here

Cyndarin

Actually, this is one of the more active log threads! I tried to post a few longer ones without any personal commentary and all I got were crickets and a jaded Veyrzhul.

 

Small victories.

Iasmos

Active... like a yeast culture... for making cheese.  B-)

Cyndarin

I'm sorry. I could have been nicer.

 

I'm just not nice.

=((

Hiriako

Avu, go back to the lessons I taught you on how to secure the saplock. Timing with the meld at high allergies, blackout from dreamweaving if you want (embedding the mote can be brutal), stuff to help secure and perpetuate the lock. Normally I'd suggest sap with the meld to stagstomp, which tends to give someone a lot to cure before they can break out of the lock, followed by alternating webs and thornlashes. It's a bit harder when you have an acrobat, as webbing only does so much.

From my own experiences recently: You lean on web way too hard. It's an annoyance. It doesn't kill. You've seen me get out of your saps with some regularity recently!

Enyalida

I'd be careful leaning on stagstomp too, it's not as good as people tend to make it out to be, especially against acrobats. Your biggest dreamweaving trick is layering periodic effects, but acrobats can springup, which makes it a little harder to use that to keep them prone.

I find that it's a good idea to use headbutt (which does damage and throws of balance) to knock the enemy through a briar wall (to entangle them, buying more time), into a room where you have amnesia only embedded, once you have them setup with epilepsy/daydreaming/narcolepsy. Some systems also prioritize thornlashes (as a kill condition) above vines. If you notice that, you can sometimes just entangle and then lean on your thornlash button, they'll kill themselves quickly spamming writhe thornlash.

Also, in 1v1 combat as a dreamweaver, turn off thorns and storm. They do more harm than good, if you can get metawake off.

Hiriako

Acrobats are irritating on everybody, yes. I will say that. 

Maligorn

(does Avurekhos read the forums?)

Zouviqil

Maligorn said:

(does Avurekhos read the forums?)

Read, yes, post to, no.

Cyndarin

Stagstomp is every bit as good as people make it out to be.

Rivius

Celina said:

 I don't get the desire to pk and run for champion if you're just tying every key on your keyboard to memoryloss or vines.

He just needs more practice and learn more strategies. It'll come in time as he spars and combats more. He ran for champion because Hartstone has 2 literal combatants and he's the only one who could get it. Why leave it empty? In my eyes, his amazing attitude alone is reason enough to deserve champion. Okay, so maybe he needs to come up with better strategies, that's alright. Experience takes time to gather.

Personally I think Enyalida is a fantastic sap-locker, easily the best at it in the game. I'd recommend Avurekhos looking at first person logs from her perspective to learn and adapt.

As for Munsia's comment against our melders - I personally think Elanorwen does a pretty darn great job of it. When she was a druid in Serenwilde, I recall her melding for us and it really helping us do well against some really nasty odds in one wildnode. In general though, Munsia, your comments are honestly usually very irritating and unhelpful. You make it very clear that you believe your favoured associates to be the best PKers in the game, and that's fine, but putting people down constantly by stating these opinions loudly all the time is really starting to get old.

Oh, let's not try to forget that Avurekhos doesn't buy credits and thus isn't omnitrans nor have the artifacts, robes or even some of the defensive skillsets he needs to fight 100%. Sometimes you people take for granted that you have that from playing for many years.

In closing, for Avurekhos, he has a lot of potential and he's doing great on his way to learning.

As a side comment: That bleeding from ninshi-yank is grossly overpowered and not even remotely reasonable.

Cyndarin

I will acquiesce to your opinion on this one because you most likely interact with him. Someone is better than no one isn't a philosphy I follow myself, but I understand why others do. I'm just saying that it's pretty easy to tell the difference between someone who is just needs practice, experience, and to work out strategies and someone who is relying on the same tired cheese many, many before him have relied on. (i.e. weaver memoryloss spam). To me there appears to be a notable lack of effort, not lack of experience (though lack of experience may also be a problem aside from this log), and I say that not only in reference to this log but a brief scuffle I had with him in etherseren.

So while everything you are saying may be true, and I have no reason to believe it's not and he's not a wonderful asset to his guild and org, this log demonstrates none of that. What it does demonstrate is the affinity for an easy button that, unfortunately, didn't work and there's really not a lot of feedback to give to that style of pk. It just is what it is.

Ushaara

Do ninjas really have a zero momentum, zero power, zero wounding, no grapple pre-req windpipe?