Warrior Weapon Runes

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  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 5,822 Transcendent
    I really do love the idea because after the initial investment in the runes for the standard, it is just another 50 credits per weapon set.  That's a pretty reasonable outlay imo, and just light years above what we've currently got now (1500 credits per additional weapon set).

    And with the proposal, the initial investment cost will be adjusted to be about the same as the investment cost for the other classes, though that can be tweaked as desired by the Administration.  I'd just like a little more parity, and I feel this provides it.
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  • SteingrimSteingrim Member Posts: 830 Fabled
    Pointing out that this cannot be 'runes on a standard' since monks don't have standards. Keep in mind that monks are the only archetype where you can't even change guilds and use your existing weapon(s).

    So perhaps could be jewelry runes, or placed on some special item made for the purpose (gauntlets, bracers, vambraces, belts, girdles. etcetera).
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  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 7,653 Transcendent
    maybe standards need to be moved to Combat.
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  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,735 Transcendent
    Starting to veer into another discussion here, but one worth having.

    I like the idea of vambraces though, 

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  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 5,822 Transcendent
    Steingrim said:
    Pointing out that this cannot be 'runes on a standard' since monks don't have standards. Keep in mind that monks are the only archetype where you can't even change guilds and use your existing weapon(s).

    So perhaps could be jewelry runes, or placed on some special item made for the purpose (gauntlets, bracers, vambraces, belts, girdles. etcetera).
    Uh... read the second post in this thread!
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  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 7,653 Transcendent
    I'd like vambraces or bracers. I'd likely buy some just to wear them. I mean, we already have them in leather forging, right?
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  • CadfaelCadfael Member Posts: 50 Apprentice
    Vambraces and gauntlets seem redundant if you're wearing a suit of plate. Give monks leather vambraces, maybe - or have them put them on sashes! And let us warriors put them on helms, so we can make them permanent in the process >.>
  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,735 Transcendent
    No to Helms. That simply wouldn't work considering it's the GC artifact piece.

    Standards are fine for Knights.

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  • CadfaelCadfael Member Posts: 50 Apprentice
    edited July 2013
    Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Though it's always bugged me how warriors hold two weapons AND bear a standard. I suppose I shouldn't think about it too much, especially considering how we can hold like a million items not in our backpack (presumably in our hands?)
  • KalnidKalnid Member Posts: 395 Virtuoso
    Cadfael said:
    Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Though it's always bugged me how warriors hold two weapons AND bear a standard. I suppose I shouldn't think about it too much, especially considering how we can hold like a million items not in our backpack (presumably in our hands?)
    Straps and pockets. I like to think bearing a standard means sticking it on your back so it pokes out over your head.
  • CadfaelCadfael Member Posts: 50 Apprentice
    edited July 2013

    Kalnid
    said:
    Cadfael said:
    Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. Though it's always bugged me how warriors hold two weapons AND bear a standard. I suppose I shouldn't think about it too much, especially considering how we can hold like a million items not in our backpack (presumably in our hands?)
    Straps and pockets. I like to think bearing a standard means sticking it on your back so it pokes out over your head.

    Like this guy? Strikes me a sort of impractical, but I can dig it, I suppose.
  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,735 Transcendent
    I always imagine it strapped to your back Space Marine style.

    Course it's impractical, most designed stuff is. But it's fantasy and it looks awesome!

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    You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!


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  • LeradLerad Member Posts: 2,404 Transcendent
    That style is supposedly historically used by the Japanese. I never studied east asian history, so I'm not sure how exactly true that is, but the accounts I have access to appear to corroborate that Japanese foot soldiers during the warring states era carried standards denoting their allegiance during battle in that manner.

  • SteingrimSteingrim Member Posts: 830 Fabled
    Xenthos said:
    Steingrim said:
    Pointing out that this cannot be 'runes on a standard' since monks don't have standards. Keep in mind that monks are the only archetype where you can't even change guilds and use your existing weapon(s).

    So perhaps could be jewelry runes, or placed on some special item made for the purpose (gauntlets, bracers, vambraces, belts, girdles. etcetera).
    Uh... read the second post in this thread!
    I did. Your suggestion is two different types of items. The problem with two different types of items is you'd need pliers to change archetype.
    You tell Wyrden Ravager Tarken, "Come to Gaudiguch. I'll give you the title of Grand Moth."
    Eyes peering skywards as he thinks, Ironbeard the Magnanimous says to Sksez, "Welll, on my gooD lis *hic* t, we have....Stei *hic* ng *hic* rim.U..Xypherv....Luu *hic* hghaigh *hic* hhe....Breandryn....."
  • SteingrimSteingrim Member Posts: 830 Fabled
    Cadfael said:
    Vambraces and gauntlets seem redundant if you're wearing a suit of plate. Give monks leather vambraces, maybe - or have them put them on sashes! And let us warriors put them on helms, so we can make them permanent in the process >.>
    think more archery guards. Some piece of leather which fits over whatever is below it. More like the  leather wrist bands you see people use. I'm not fixed on the idea, I just tossed out a few more incase the GMs don't want more jewelery runes.
    You tell Wyrden Ravager Tarken, "Come to Gaudiguch. I'll give you the title of Grand Moth."
    Eyes peering skywards as he thinks, Ironbeard the Magnanimous says to Sksez, "Welll, on my gooD lis *hic* t, we have....Stei *hic* ng *hic* rim.U..Xypherv....Luu *hic* hghaigh *hic* hhe....Breandryn....."
  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 5,822 Transcendent
    Steingrim said:
    Xenthos said:
    Steingrim said:
    Pointing out that this cannot be 'runes on a standard' since monks don't have standards. Keep in mind that monks are the only archetype where you can't even change guilds and use your existing weapon(s).

    So perhaps could be jewelry runes, or placed on some special item made for the purpose (gauntlets, bracers, vambraces, belts, girdles. etcetera).
    Uh... read the second post in this thread!
    I did. Your suggestion is two different types of items. The problem with two different types of items is you'd need pliers to change archetype.
    Given that part of the suggestion is changing pliers to cost 500cr instead of 1500... I fail to see how that's a truly awful thing?  This change would let you switch from one Monk guild to another without losing your runes (unlike the current situation).  Being able to switch from Monk to Warrior would be more like icing on the cake, and not really an intended consequence- but it would still be much easier nonetheless.
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  • ElanorwenElanorwen The White Falconess Member Posts: 2,927 Transcendent
    Steingrim said:
    Pointing out that this cannot be 'runes on a standard' since monks don't have standards. Keep in mind that monks are the only archetype where you can't even change guilds and use your existing weapon(s).

    So perhaps could be jewelry runes, or placed on some special item made for the purpose (gauntlets, bracers, vambraces, belts, girdles. etcetera).
    If weapons are not runed, who cares? If weapons are runed... well, it gets a bit more complicated, but then again, it's the same case if you switch from mage/bard/guardian to warrior/monk anyway or the other way around. It's not a surprise there, sorry to say. I have done the warrior->bard->warrior->mage switch before and it was painful on the credits, but eh... you know what you're getting into if you're jumping guilds like that.
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  • DaevosDaevos Member Posts: 67 Capable
    The solution is simple: Reduce the cost of the Pliers of Clangorum.

    Currently there are roughly 35 types of artifact runes, and they all have to be attached to an item for use. That gives the benefit of making the item permanent but it has a price. By attaching it, you permanently associate the artifact with the item, and there is no means of removing it without losing 1/3 of the credit value or having the pliers. This makes those artifacts less valuable because the act of using them lessens your ability to determine how they will be used in the future.

    Personally, I may look at this situation from the perspective of a warrior, but it extends far beyond that. The number of artifact runes has drastically increased over the years, and what do you when you no longer like the item that your rune is attached to? Perhaps you changed organizations and the item no longer fits the identity you want to cultivate but that won't change the fact that your artifact is on it. There are only two solutions available, and both options are unappealing

    I want to add my voice to the chorus though. A change in the situation is necessary, and the simplest solution is to lower the cost of the pliers drastically.  If the price was lower, it would increase the perceived value of all artifact runes, and it would serve as incentive for more artifacts to be purchased in addition to the pliers.

    So let's keep fighting for this because it would make the game more enjoyable and more profitable
  • SiamSiam Whispered Voice Member Posts: 2,622 Transcendent
    +1 to the above.
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  • LeolaminsLeolamins Member Posts: 351 Fabled
    Daevos said:
    The solution is simple: Reduce the cost of the Pliers of Clangorum.

    Currently there are roughly 35 types of artifact runes, and they all have to be attached to an item for use. That gives the benefit of making the item permanent but it has a price. By attaching it, you permanently associate the artifact with the item, and there is no means of removing it without losing 1/3 of the credit value or having the pliers. This makes those artifacts less valuable because the act of using them lessens your ability to determine how they will be used in the future.

    Personally, I may look at this situation from the perspective of a warrior, but it extends far beyond that. The number of artifact runes has drastically increased over the years, and what do you when you no longer like the item that your rune is attached to? Perhaps you changed organizations and the item no longer fits the identity you want to cultivate but that won't change the fact that your artifact is on it. There are only two solutions available, and both options are unappealing

    I want to add my voice to the chorus though. A change in the situation is necessary, and the simplest solution is to lower the cost of the pliers drastically.  If the price was lower, it would increase the perceived value of all artifact runes, and it would serve as incentive for more artifacts to be purchased in addition to the pliers.

    So let's keep fighting for this because it would make the game more enjoyable and more profitable
    While I think Daevos' idea is ideal, alternatively there is always the option of a "once off" type of pliers (the equivalent of the Changeling Cameo to the Dagger of Reincarnation).  I don't see myself as who would change regularly enough to make the most of the 1500cr investment.  I would however consider making a change if their was a cheaper option (this price would need to consider though a top tier warrior typically has 6-8 runes, so pricing it at 100cr a pop would quickly diminish the perceived value of the once off artifact)

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  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,735 Transcendent
    If there was a one off "Transfer all runes from X item" for 100 credits, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.

    I just cannot justify 1500 credits on an item I may only ever use once.

    The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."

    You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!


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  • KhydanKhydan Member Posts: 68 Adept
    Karlach said:
    If there was a one off "Transfer all runes from X item" for 100 credits, I'd snatch it up in a heartbeat.

    I just cannot justify 1500 credits on an item I may only ever use once.
    I have pliers...they're not worth 1500cr.
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  • IdrazilIdrazil Member Posts: 84 Capable
    The idea is much more relevant given that we have classflex for some time now. Having a cheaper or rather cheap pliers option will make people switching more attractive and thus bringing in more cash flow for the game.
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  • CyndarinCyndarin used Flamethrower! It was super effective. Member Posts: 4,480 Transcendent

    LICH THREAD

     

    Something like a 250 credit artifact to move all your runes at once would be good. If you only plan on doing it once in a blue moon, it'll come out cheaper than pliers by a fair margin.

     

    100 credits seems way too cheap. You have to remember that casters lose complete use of artifacts if they switch their primaries around. Demesne runes, music runes, etc.

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  • IasmosIasmos Member Posts: 461 Virtuoso
    Classflex changes that up a little bit. You can hop between melder and crooner at will, if you want.

    Even just with skillflex, Xenthos made a good argument for his solution by suggesting that people will want to switch runes onto different weapons for flexing to different specializations. I'd be happy to try something other than BC, if I didn't have to pay out the wazoo for new arti weapons.

  • PrestonPreston Member Posts: 1 Inept
    I want a rune that lets me afflict two venoms at once!
  • RevanRevan Member Posts: 90 Capable
    To be quite honest, Warriors aren't the only ones who suffer with the way runes are designed. Take one Mage who invests in a staff with shield and gripping runes (both are critical to high tier combat). What happens then if, with the new multiclassing system in place, that Mage wishes to go Bard or Guardian? They can't transfer those runes to their symbol or instrument and their overall investment is highly diminished. It's a terrible mechanic to have to invest so heavily in runes and to go "here's a $500 item to alleviate your problems" is just a kick in the groin to many people who choose to invest in this game.

    TLDR: Lower the cost of pliers drastically.
  • MalariousMalarious Member Posts: 582 Gifted
    Sounds like any item that targets an item for effect should be treated like weapon runes. Make a new Runestone or something you attach your runes to maybe! This ONLY works for things like gripping, weapon, etc runes so things like crit runes could still be lent out. 
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