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The conflict makes for fun times. You should WANT to get caught - at least, that's why I would do those quests (if I wasn't terrible at questing). A huge part of Synl's story is his love for the enemy and how it made him go from Glory be to Glomdoring to Glory be to nature in all its forms. And there was plenty of fun times had by people from Glomdoring going 'Yo what're you doing in Faethorn with the enemy.'

I dunno. Friction is fun. But yea, just disfavors/ousting is terribly boring. There's some cool punishments you can do. As an example, I remember as Nekotai GM, I had it so to get unenemied you had to touch the jeweled scorpions in the caverns. Not a huge deal, at the end of the day you're pressing button x (touching the scorpion) instead of button y (paying gold). But flavor goes a long towards immersion.

Anaklusmos said:

Saran said:

Oh yeah, really I think the suggestion of just checking honours is kinda silly because of how fallible it is.

Like, I've done the halli side of the mirror army quest, so if a Gaudi was only able to use honours, I can do the quest as often as and I'll only get caught if I let them see me doing the quest. Newbie might get caught, but I've done the quest a hundred times since first getting the honour.

 If you want to impose punishments and consequences on actions, then you should also have to put in the leg work of actually catching the act that merits the aforementioned punishments and consequences. ie sit there and keep watch, if you want to catch someone in the act; otherwise, you're not entitled punishing anyone doing the quest.

If you don't want to deal with potential punishments and rp consequences because you've decided to perform IC actions that have significant RP and lore based implications then don't perform those actions.

Like, you've made it pretty clear that you want to engage in content that has potential rp consequences but not actually have to deal with those. But when you're suggesting round the clock watches on zones, particular when the Xeeth Labs have been mentioned at all (that opposing quest... oh wait, yeah that's not a thing), I stop taking you seriously. 

For me, an important aspect of RP is also the consequences of your actions.

Part of doing a quest like the Xeeth labs one is accepting that your actions are really offensive to Serenwilde and, I assume, Glomdoring.
It being too simple to find out isn't engaging, but making it unreasonable to expect that you'll be caught (i.e just being able to check honours) basically strips away a significant aspect of the rp of the quest.
What's the point of even having contentiously themed quests if you just side step that whole dimension of them?

Anaklusmos said:

All of that is pointless and needlessly complicated as long as QUEST RANKINGS exists.

All of that is a suggestion to provide a solution that would balance between what different people seem to be asking for.

If it was actually put up for implementation then you'd also discuss whether you anonymise the rankings or change how they're available.

The first hides who did the thing but you can leave your name visible to you so you can see where you sit. The second means you could have like... the quest giver could tell you where you sit in the rankings etc.
The main difference is that the first, if watched, can give an indicator that someone has completed a quest and so spur an investigation.

Kethaera said:

I like the idea of this. And yes, you could set up automation to check... but even so I can't imagine that'd be a way I'd want to spend my time. And as you say, there's no way of knowing how long ago it was. The only way I would use honors is if someone told me/had reason to believe: "Hey so-and-so did that quest you hate yesterday." Check honors: They have the line, time to burn the witch! 

Oh yeah, really I think the suggestion of just checking honours is kinda silly because of how fallible it is.

Like, I've done the halli side of the mirror army quest, so if a Gaudi was only able to use honours, I can do the quest as often as and I'll only get caught if I let them see me doing the quest. Newbie might get caught, but I've done the quest a hundred times since first getting the honour.

All of that is pointless and needlessly complicated as long as QUEST RANKINGS exists.

Aydeksa said:

Not sure where I said questing wasn't IC

IC I'd like to do the eaf quest due to someone telling me about it but I know OOCly that it would suck since it's so easy to see who did what quests

I would, too, but I don't want to hide my honors because 1. Too much pride, and 2. There's a roleplay aspect of knowing that the quests are done IC, and knowing that other people could know you did them... like a certain Gaudiguchian announcing on market that "Hallifax had raised Marani" that time I did the quest, for reasons. Both annoying and hilarious. The fact that honors can prove it adds a level of 'do I really want to do this' to the calculation that I like. And of course, could always create alts just to try the quest.

Edit: Although on the eaf quest, it's backwards. IC I'd never do it.

Maybe the tree is made of witches because there's a duck somewhere in Lusternia that weighs the same.

Lycidas said:

As in every system out there, be it real world or fantasy games, you only receive a punishment on being caught. If authorities just had a magic log akin to Minority Report then there straight up would be no conflict or 'crime' in any case.

On a different angle, when you're playing a pen & paper RP and someone has committed a crime, you generally have a reasonable expectation of being able to figure out who has done it after the fact.

Mechanisms that enable the other side to figure out who's been bad outside a simple lookup would mean you might get away with whatever you've done but you could also get caught.