Should the 'grope' emote be removed from the game?

VersaleanVersalean Member Posts: 1,109 Transcendent

Should the 'grope' emote be removed from the game? 36 votes

No
47%
ShuyinArixShaddusCrekKarlachAnitaTremulaEnadonellaTenakaLuceArkhShangoRolsandRidetaEjderhaNicholoSnag 17 votes
Yes
52%
MoiKaimanahiZyphoraThayanKethaeraLiefBairlochKaliHegemoneSkaklynMinkahmetEnyaNaevariVefaiVecennyaLilyin!RasvinVinraDevora 19 votes

Comments

  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,869 Transcendent
    No
    No. Not all groping is non consensual, Lusternia is not meant to be an accurate representation of real life.

    Welcome to a game where violence, slavery, torture, drug abuse and rape are all part of either/both day to day life or part of the lore.

    The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."

    You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!


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  • TremulaTremula Banished Quasiroyal Member Posts: 2,645 Transcendent
    No
    Orgasm and all sorts of other emotes have already been removed from the game because of inappropriate use, but the correct response from us (the players) should be to ostracise and condemn those people who use it in such a manner - and ensure that we do not allow them any reprieve - rather than a heavy-handed removal of those things from the game.
                          * * * WRACK AND ROLL AND DEATH AND PAIN * * *
                                         * * * LET'S FEEL THE FEAR OF DEATH AGAIN * * *
              * * * WE'LL KILL AND SLAUGHTER, EAT THE SLAIN * * *
      * * * IN RAVAGING WE'LL ENTERTAIN * * *

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  • EsoneyunaEsoneyuna Member Posts: 169 Adept
    Poll misses a 'I don't care either way' option.
  • VersaleanVersalean Member Posts: 1,109 Transcendent
    If it helps any. These are taken from a google search of "definition of ----"

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    Grope
    verb informal
    fondle (someone) for sexual pleasure roughly or clumsily, or without the person's consent.

    Full disclosure - this is the secondary definition, but let's not be silly and pretend it isn't the one being conveyed in this emote [Tremula touches upon the primary definition above, HOWEVER, as they also alludes the adjective (below) helps to further disambiguate its use]

    Lewd

    adjective
    crude and offensive in a sexual way.

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    TL;DR - I'm finding it difficult to read the emote in its present form in any way that isn't an out-and-out sexual assault, and an explicit violation of HELP 15.9 in all but a very few cases. And we all know that consensual mudsexxors put way more effort into it than hitting cringey hard-coded emotes. Which really does only leave us with that other use.
  • MoiMoi Member Posts: 1,213 Transcendent
    Yes
    On one hand, Chesterton's fence. On the other hand, Versa's point about nobody who'd have a permissible use for it wanting to use it makes a lot of sense.
  • NaevariNaevari Member Posts: 58 Capable
    edited May 2018
    Yes
    Versalean said:

    TL;DR - I'm finding it difficult to read the emote in its present form in any way that isn't an out-and-out sexual assault, and an explicit violation of HELP 15.9 in all but a very few cases. And we all know that consensual mudsexxors put way more effort into it than hitting cringey hard-coded emotes. Which really does only leave us with that other use.
    Agreed. If someone is doing some theoretically consensual and private RP that involves things that are likely triggers for a lot of people, then they can write custom emotes. Lusternian RP would retain the possibility of exploring such troubling subject matter if someone really wanted to (hopefully in a thoughtful and mature way, and hopefully privately).

    All a super accessible and hard-coded emote like this accomplishes is to enable offensive trolls to be offensive trolls with way less effort.
  • PhoebusPhoebus tu fui, ego eris. CircumstancesMember Posts: 1,920 Transcendent
    I am also in favor of changing the emote to the less objectionable meaning of grope. I have nothing against people groping each other in a lewd way in privacy with their own words, but I absolutely agree that our predefined emotes should not be anything so crude. As Luce said, it gives the wrong impression.
  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,869 Transcendent
    No
    Luce said:
     or even groping the air while scowling at someone like you're trying to give them a Vader Handshake

    We have that actually, see CHOKE.

    I far prefer the idea of a rewrite to something less overtly lewd over simply removing it.

    The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."

    You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!


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  • WeiwaeWeiwae Member, Gods Posts: 453 Divine
    There is a higher chance of a rewrite if a full suggestion is provided. i.e. with first, second, third person defined and targeted / untargeted etc.
  • AlaksanteriAlaksanteri Member Posts: 534 Mythical
    edited May 2018
    I do not really see any justifiable moment to ever use it. A rewrite sounds perfect.
  • RasvinRasvin Member Posts: 44 Apprentice
    Yes
    Plausible deniability. We have the ability to make custom emotes. Creating an alias/macro/trigger is relatively easy. By having a hardcoded emote, Lusternia is saying it is okay with it being used. That being said a rewrite would solve the issue as well.
  • Lilyin!Lilyin! Member Posts: 63 Adept
    Yes
    Rasvin said:
    Plausible deniability. We have the ability to make custom emotes. Creating an alias/macro/trigger is relatively easy. By having a hardcoded emote, Lusternia is saying it is okay with it being used. That being said a rewrite would solve the issue as well.
    Lusternia also has a hard coded quest where you kill a baby. This claim that Lusternia is saying it's okay to grope people without consent is a bit reaching.

    Also it's interesting that primarily male players are voting no on this.
  • RasvinRasvin Member Posts: 44 Apprentice
    edited May 2018
    Yes
    Lilyin! said:
    Rasvin said:
    Plausible deniability. We have the ability to make custom emotes. Creating an alias/macro/trigger is relatively easy. By having a hardcoded emote, Lusternia is saying it is okay with it being used. That being said a rewrite would solve the issue as well.
    Lusternia also has a hard coded quest where you kill a baby. This claim that Lusternia is saying it's okay to grope people without consent is a bit reaching.

    Also it's interesting that primarily male players are voting no on this.
    I get what you are saying. However, the key difference is the baby is a denizen with no actual human player. The groping emote could be used on unwilling victums that are players which could be harassment. (I know characters kill each other in game, and we are not discussing murder.) My point is there is plenty of options players can use to replace it, so keeping it does not justify even a slight risk. Common sense does not always win in society. Unfortunately, this issue could be imposed by some judge that wants to prove a point. It is reality>logic.
  • VersaleanVersalean Member Posts: 1,109 Transcendent
    It's so much better than it was. Thanks, @Estarra
  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 2,016 Transcendent
    for anyone not logged on


    12420h, 10796m, 10400e, 10p Bexk<>-(+2m, 0.0%)
    Untargeted:
       1st Person: You grope blindly in the air with outstretched hands
       3rd Person: Deichtine gropes blindly in the air with outstretched hands

    Targetted:
       1st Person: You grope blindly in the air, bumping into Iosai.
       2nd Person: Deichtine gropes blindly in the air, bumping into you.
       3rd Person: Deichtine gropes blindly in the air, bumping into Iosai.



  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 8,210 Transcendent
    No
    Lilyin! said:
    Rasvin said:
    Plausible deniability. We have the ability to make custom emotes. Creating an alias/macro/trigger is relatively easy. By having a hardcoded emote, Lusternia is saying it is okay with it being used. That being said a rewrite would solve the issue as well.
    Lusternia also has a hard coded quest where you kill a baby. This claim that Lusternia is saying it's okay to grope people without consent is a bit reaching.

    Also it's interesting that primarily male players are voting no on this.

    Excuse me, did you just assume and stereotype the genders of the player base?
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  • LuceLuce Fox Populi Member Posts: 2,601 Transcendent
    No
    Lilyin! said:

    Also it's interesting that primarily male players are voting no on this.
    Hey now, I qualified my 'no' as being 'rewrite, don't remove', and provided a suggestion for a replacement. =(
  • ArixArix Member Posts: 1,423 Transcendent
    No
    There was no 'I don't give a **** either way' option so I voted no, but its not an emote I've ever used willingly because it's pretty dumb. Having said that, most of the people that I've seen use the emote are female characters but that doesn't mean much in the bigger picture of things
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