Personal Designs

AiyanaAiyana Member Posts: 118 Gifted
edited November 2012 in Ideas
I have already suggested this as an Idea in-game, but I figure I'll post this here for a little bit of feedback from the rest of the community that I haven't harassed with it yet. (Gives me a chance to figure out the new forums, too, I haven't played with these yet!) Other Iron Realms games allow designers to have their own personal designs and lack Cartels. Here, we are more Trade-friendly with the ability to learn a trade for just the credit cost of transing it out and without additional credit cost, purchase a Cartel (or two, or twelve if we had the gold and urge), but people can't always shake someone down and have them willing to submit their designs, nor can a person newer to the game afford to get a Cartel for their own use, so here is my suggestion. At the Mastery of a tradeskill, I suggest the adding of a new ability where an individual becomes able to purchase and make use of a Book of Design. The owner must tune this book to the trade they are designing for, which will not allow any other trade designs to be placed within, so those who can skillflex must purchase multiple. ("Book of Jewelry Design", or "Book of Bookbinder Design" for example.) For a cost of a 100k, a designer can pick up their first Book of Design, which can hold 10 designs within. These books can be titled like journals and other books and seen when probed or examined as to ease the confusion of owning multiple. This book will also serve as a catalogue of the designs similar to the CARTEL XYZ CATALOGUE command. These personal designs are subject to a steeper submission cost, 10,000 or 15,000 gold instead of the 5,000 gold cost for a private cartel design. Once the book has been filled with 10 designs, it cannot hold anymore, and another must be purchased for a credit cost from a the artifact shop, scaling in cost the more books that the designer in question owns. This will still allow would-be-Designers to get into get into doing so without discouraging the use of cartels for shared designs. Maybe, too, one's personal designs can be given to a cartel's private design catalogue at a cost, but designs from a cartel cannot be put into a personal design book to avoid that one asshat that will inevitably try to steal designs out of spite.

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  • AiyanaAiyana Member Posts: 118 Gifted
    I also think I might have posted this in the wrong place, it's meant to be in Ideas. D'oh.

  • EnyalidaEnyalida Nasty Woman, Sockpuppeteer to the Gods Member Posts: 4,386 Transcendent
    This would be great though, I'd love some way to have a truly personal design without dropping a million gold for a few designs.
  • EritheylEritheyl ** Trigger Warning ** Member Posts: 1,824 Transcendent
    This is an interesting idea. However, I loathe the thought of the first being purchasable with gold, while additional books would not be. As cartels are strictly gold, I would very much like to see this implemented similarly. Perhaps a credit version could also be written up, though, that allows double the designs per book? Or just a single-use artifact that you can use with an existing design book to add another 10 design slots?

    Anyways, that's all afterthought stuff. I like the idea, I would love to see it implemented.
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  • MeaeMeae Member Posts: 49 Apprentice
    Definitely interested in this. I plan to get into designing stuff soon, but it's going to be a shame not to own the designs..
  • SsalissSsaliss Member Posts: 3,575 Transcendent
    This is very similar to one of my ideas, so I'm all for it!

    Here are some other ideas related to designs and cartels:
  • VashnerVashner Member Posts: 6 Inept
    If the initial problem was that it was too expensive to get a cartel, wouldn't it make more sense to make the first book free simply from achieving mastery?
  • EveriineEveriine Wise Old Swordsbird / Brontaur Indianapolis, IN, USAMember Posts: 2,981 Transcendent
    I'd rather see it where you can only have one book per trade, and maybe make it hold a few more designs then (15?). After that, buying more books starts to give you closer to what Cartels give you, and I'd rather see people move into Cartels at that point and have the book as their own small persona stash of designs.
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  • EventruEventru Member, Gods Posts: 719 Divine
    I think the intention is for people to use the cartel system versus a personal design system, a design decision made when Lusternia was being made.

    I don't think you'll see something that will move people away from that.
  • FaniaFania Member Posts: 34 Apprentice
    I'd be afraid that things would turn out too much like Achaea's design system. It's similar to what is being proposed, but I don't like how it works.
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