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Gaudi-Glom Treaty Dissolution
This discussion was created from comments split from: Tweets VI: The Tweetsixteenth.
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Sure, due to RL things I wasn't really around for the beginning portion, but Gaudiguch had the information you're talking about when they made their decision. No need to pretend otherwise!
I don't even know what happened during the event, but this comment tells me some people were determined to break it up regardless, and use "freedom," as the excuse.
I will say that the only person who made any argument that might have saved the treaty whatsoever was Xenthos, and by the time he reached out to me, the city referendum to end the treaty was already up, so it was well beyond myself and the Council.
EDIT: And since I just noticed there's been a giant thread about the whole thing (I've been away from Tweets for a bit), full rundown for the lot of you who don't care.
Xeeth Laboratories area is released, people start getting eaf'Eramich. I consider this extremely unfortunate. I start getting, soon after, communications from members of Glomdoring outside of the official Shadow Court. Some of these include threats. Whatever. I wait a bit for anything official, go to the Freedom Council to try to solve this diplomatically. Get it passed that Gaudiguch will not support, whatsoever, anybody creating the eafs. Glomdoring is free to kill any Gaudis in Xeeth trying to make the eafs, and if they are caught trying to kill the fae, enemy them. Whatever. Here's the part where the Glom ambassador doesn't relay any part of "Gaudi has done this" to Glomdoring until I find this out and bring it up directly to Ssaliss.
Time passes, two people who made eafs right as the whole thing came out, neither of which actually killed fey themselves, get enemied. Yeah, they made a bit of noise. I actively told everybody not to raid (and I'm pretty sure they didn't, as I haven't been told about any raids). Months of noise through various talks, Glomdoring not budging on the whole thing and myself bringing up the 'If you can't enemy in three years of the event, don't enemy' argument, this going on for far longer than it should until the point where I finally have to do something about it because it's not going to be forgotten (during which time Glomdoring was known to have started relations with Serenwilde and, near the end, New Celest, which would understandably piss us off. You guys seriously are quite loud about that stuff, you know. Council referendum goes up, unanimous approval. Pushed to city referendum, where it passes 14-2. Keeping in mind that each person in the city gets one weight on a referendum.
Nothing was kept from the city, I relayed anything told to the Council to the city for the most part, including Xenthos's appeal after the referendum was up. The whole thing was 'stubbornness v. stubbornness', and I really don't know why it's a topic of conversation now so long after the fact, but this is what happened (as per my perception of events). Ideally, we can stop interspersing arguments about it in Tweets now. Realistically, I realise I just fueled a fire and am dreading hitting the 'Save Comment' button, but whatever.
The meetings I referred to was when the alliance was drafted, not when it was ended, and that was also in response to the alliance being forced on Gaudi by Glomdoring. Those I were not part of.
Sorry!
And yeah, no, the treaty wasn't forced on us at all. When it was signed, it was strategically ideal and more of a 'why the hell not' thing.
I will note that I am well aware one of the people who brought it to my attention was metagaming slightly (and was understandably pissed off about some stuff being metagamed on Glom's end) when bringing it up ICly, which is why it got so loud on our end. But regardless, it got brought up ICly, and I had to deal with it.
And yes, the people involved were punished by the terms the treaty had for a first time offense.
And seriously, where does ascension come into play on this at all? I don't, whatsoever, see how it's relevant to anything. Yeah, it's entirely unfortunate on the timing. It's also ignoring the fact that Glomdoring was a non-entity during ascension and only had two people up there.
I don't understand what is it that was being demanded of Glomdoring. A few pages back, Eri posted about how we should condemn the individual, not the org, but then, now, we're not supposed to enemy them? Or was it bad because a RL month passed? Are we supposed to then enemy anyone we suspected of getting the eaf, instead of waiting for actual proof, just so we could get it in within 3 ig years of them actually doing the quest... even though we don't know when they actually did the quest? Or was it that there was no communication, despite my understanding (or misunderstanding, as case may be) that there was an actual agreement in the timeline somewhere? Or maybe we're just supposed to boot up Frozen and sing "let it go"? I don't know anymore.
Hey, Gaudi voted to void the treaty, that's really fine. No one's saying it should be kept if Gaudi wanted out. But if there're comments making things out to be black and white, it'll be statements like, "Instead, it was radio silence followed by enemying. Which is stupid in its entirety, in my honest opinion." or "The issue was, entirely, Glom enemying people almost a RL month after the fact."
You can say what you want, but if 1 of those 2 fielded Gloms has something like Bonds in their pocket, it's a significant boost to any group.
to catching them in Xeeth or catching them killing the fae, and was made
after the individuals in question had already done... everything
involved. If it was because Glomdoring had no proof that these individuals made the eafs, that was not communicated ICly at all, and this is the first I'm hearing of it (which is bad, because that would have been an actual explanation for why it took so long and likely helped solve the situation). I'm not going to say I handled the situation ideally. I'm also going to say that Glomdoring did not make any decision that supported keeping the treaty together.
There was no attempt at compromise made (admittedly on either side). Nobody is blameless. But things were handled extremely... improperly regardless, and crap happened as a result.
EDIT: ... I have no idea why this comment is displaying so strangely. There is nothing in the editbox to indicate why it would break in those locations.
As in it's a useless, non-productive point to make that has nothing to do with anything whatsoever short of using it to condemn those who handled these situations.
And since I see the Oneiroi and Drocilla lurking the thread, I'm willingly going to shut up and stop at this point. Don't want to get Tweets closed again.
I said it was a significant boost. Not the only reason Kelly won Ascension. Your hyperbole is hella tiresome.
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