I would buy that artifact IF….. Artifact review.

Steingrim

So clearly they want people to spend credits, one way is with new items. Another is tweaking existing ones.

 

Post here as to why you put off buying a specific artifact or why you think a particular artifact is overpriced and a bad deal.

Steingrim

Doctoral Tam of the Anomaly: 2000 credits

   -Can classflex every 75 rl hours (rather than 300 hours).

 

I would buy that artifact IF:

     I could use it to help back up meld without getting stuck in a class I never wanted to play for three days.

Steingrim

A miniature balloon (700 dingbats).

 

I would buy that artifact IF:

    It could be test driven. No one is admitting to having this thing and I can’t pay that much for something without a test drive. Also if at this point no one has brought it (IF) then maybe the price is set too high.

Steingrim

Aviator Goggles (350 dingbats)

  - Detect anything flying (movement in/out of the room at flying elevation).

 

Won these and still felt cheated so traded them in. Maybe if they you know told you who flew into a room?

Shaddus

A forging mallet, if other people could use it. There is absolutely no reason why these should be limited to the owner except to encourage people to buy them.

Kiradawea

Pearl Ring and Manna if the price was slashed at least in half. They're *far* too expensive for what they do.

Kagato

Kiradawea said:

Pearl Ring and Manna if the price was slashed at least in half. They're *far* too expensive for what they do.

If they cut the price of the pearl ring I'd expect them to cut the price of the other elemental plane rings too - not really fair to have a ring that gives people an inherent advantage on one plane cheaper than ones for the other 3 elemental planes (Air/earth/fire)

Shaddus

I'd buy the divine artifacts (font/symbol/mark) a lot more often if the price was cut. They're handy, but not as handy as they should be at that price.

I'd buy the fesix pack more often if it got converted to a rune for a normal pack, like the pipe runes did for pipes.

Karlach

I'd buy the figurine rune if it didn't reset to level 1.

Iasmos

 

Tacita

Shaddus said:

I'd buy the divine artifacts (font/symbol/mark) a lot more often if the price was cut. They're handy, but not as handy as they should be at that price. I'd buy the fesix pack more often if it got converted to a rune for a normal pack, like the pipe runes did for pipes.

I really like this idea, and would probably buy one if this were the case.

I think all the trade artefacts that only work on self would be purchased more if they were lendable (I think the jeweller's hammer isn't? I would buy one if I could hand it out, since I'm not always a jeweller).

Kagato

Pretty sure a jewellers hammer can be used by someone else - doesn't state in the HELP ARTIFACTS TRADE file that it is only usable by the buyer... (If this is the case, it really needs to be added to the scroll)

That being said, the cost of the jewellers hammer feels awfully steep compared to the other artifacts which are between 200-400 credits to buy, but the jewelers hammer being 500

Tacita

Actually thinking about it I have borrowed one in the past, but yes, the price difference is interesting(/annoying) too.

Shuyin

TL;DR: I would buy (insert artifact here) if the price were cut.

Yes, we all would.

It would be cool if all the artifacts were adjusted in price according to utility and not previous auction price, etc. etc.

Elanorwen

Steingrim said:

Aviator Goggles (350 dingbats)

  - Detect anything flying (movement in/out of the room at flying elevation).

 

Won these and still felt cheated so traded them in. Maybe if they you know told you who flew into a room?

They don't? I seem to recall them showing the name of the person entering/leaving. I even had an announcing trigger set up somewhere for when people enter/leave while flying.

Karlach

Kiradawea said:

Pearl Ring and Manna if the price was slashed at least in half. They're *far* too expensive for what they do.

Considering what Manna can actually do at Ascendant level, it's not.

Manna just really isn't something for Demigods, I mean sure you can get +30 weight and have all the stats and a few extra powers on top, but it comes into it's own at Ascendant level.

Elanorwen

Morkarion said:

Kiradawea said:

Pearl Ring and Manna if the price was slashed at least in half. They're *far* too expensive for what they do.

Considering what Manna can actually do at Ascendant level, it's not.

Manna just really isn't something for Demigods, I mean sure you can get +30 weight and have all the stats and a few extra powers on top, but it comes into it's own at Ascendant level.

Not true if you have a seal... still a bit too expensive. Never mind that about 80% of ascendant powers are rather meh to begin with.

Karlach

The Seal power comes at free weight though?

And there are a lot of junk Ascendant powers, but the really really good ones cost you weight.

Elanorwen

Morkarion said:

The Seal power comes at free weight though?

And there are a lot of junk Ascendant powers, but the really really good ones cost you weight.

Seal powers at free weight? I wish. I'd have all my Chaos powers then. It comes at free weight if you ascend from that seal... and it comes at no essence cost either from what I heard.

Karlach

I was always of the understanding you get one power related to your Seal's domoth at no weight cost. You still need to buy it for Essence though.

Edit: If you're TA you get all 3. But seal bearers do get one.

Elanorwen

Morkarion said:

I was always of the understanding you get one power related to your Seal's domoth at no weight cost. You still need to buy it for Essence though.

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You are using 33 weight points.
You have a maximum of 50 weight points for supernumerary powers available.

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That power would put you over your supernumerary weight limit of 50.

Karlach

That's odd, you might have to either clear weight to invest in it, or swap it in as Ephermeral first.

Alternatively it might require wearing the Seal, but talking with @Shuyin, it definately is free for Ascendants, Svorai got Attune for free earlier this year.

Xenthos

It is only free for True Ascendants. If you have a seal you can buy one power but it still requires essence and weight.

As such, manna is incredibly useful for a Demigod with a Seal too.

Karlach

That doesn't make sense though, because then essentially Seals are useless for Vernal Ascendants, they can already buy those powers.


Edit: Still, it's using Manna to buy Ascendant powers, which was generally my point. It's not really something you get for regular Demigod abilities. Most Domoths have at least one really good ability to invest in, and buying the weight to afford that? It's worth what you pay for it.

Elanorwen

Morkarion said:

That doesn't make sense though, because then essentially Seals are useless for Vernal Ascendants, they can already buy those powers.


Edit: Still, it's using Manna to buy Ascendant powers, which was generally my point. It's not really something you get for regular Demigod abilities. Most Domoths have at least one really good ability to invest in, and buying the weight to afford that? It's worth what you pay for it.

You get to do stage 1 (for that particular domoth) twice as fast. That's about all a seal gives to a vernal ascendant... oh, and 25 extra days on holding the domoth once you've claimed it. It's a bit wonky... in theory, it should also make it harder to get absolved/easier to absolve opposing domoth too, but never had a chance to test it.

Karlach

Actually to bring this back on topic, I'd buy another Manna if they stacked.


I'm well aware they never will because that's a horrible idea and will totally screw game balance, but I'd still do it if you could.

Vivet

I would buy that artifact if I had the credits. This holds true for all of the many (many) artifacts I want.

I don't buy credits because even when I think I might want to, things happen. I have a lot more responsibilities and expenses than I used to. I also want to get the absolute most out of my dollar.

This is where one of the mainstays of the credit system - the scaling cost by volume - comes into play.

I want to buy as many credits at once as possible, to get the most bang for my buck. I project ahead a bit, and consider a purchase I can make to accomplish this. But along the way, my car picks up trouble, or my phone/gas/electric bill comes out higher than expected, or a friend needs a loan. Then I don't have what I expected I would have. I could buy a lesser sum of credits, but the reality that I am paying more for a smaller amount - that I am getting fewer credits per dollar spent - is going to stare me in the face and deter me (it's right there on the purchase screen!). I end up buying no credits at all, and no sale is made. Period.

This will occur even when there is a %+ credit sale, because that scaling cost by volume still exists, and will equally entice/discourage me based on if I can manage that high price purchase I really want to make. And I know that if I am patient and wait, another %+ sale will come around.

Just once, I would love to see IRE corporate promote a sale like this:

For this month, each purchase of 100-2000 credits will cost 29 cents per credit.

Maybe that one would be a bit extreme, but if I felt like I would get exactly the same value for 3 purchases of 300 credits as I would for a single purchase of 900, I'd end up buying more than I would otherwise, and do a few purchases over a month instead of approaching credit purchases in an absolute all-or-nothing manner.

Or maybe that's not appealing, since I know transactions like this cost IRE, hence the need to promote large purchases over frequent purchases. But if you wanted -me- to buy more artifacts, I'd need to buy more credits, and this would get me to buy more credits on the whole. And I feel like as the pbase gets older, this would hold true for more of us as well.

Something worth talking to corporate about, perhaps.

Rivius

o I would have bought level 3 weapon runes if the gap between them and level 2s were like the gap between level 1 and level 2. It's kind of an unjustified extra cost for little gain. But in any case, warriors are changing soon, so it doesn't matter.

o I've boycotted pliers for reasons as well as the forging mallet.

That said, there are a number of not-so-useful artifacts that are way too high priced:

o Silver bubble pipe at 250 credits. <-- Hiding exits is worthless in this day and age of mappers. Might as well just retire them or make them a fun dingbat item at closer to 50db.

o Rockeater's maw can easily be cut in half. 300 credits is way too much. I'd be shocked if anyone actually bought this.

o Figurine runes are way too pricey for what they do.

o Faerie wings can be cut in half. I have two free forms of flight though, so I wouldn't buy these myself.

o The level 2 regeneration runes are waaaaay overpriced.

Iasmos

Kagato

Keeping it at level 40 would be a tad overpowered IMHO, considering how much of a boost in esteem-to-essence it gives - that being said, returning it to level 1 is also a tad excessive as well. x_x

Ssaliss

So simple solution is to make it halve the levels.