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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Back on topic...Afollia's idea has quite a bit of merit to balancing a bit of both sides in this. Should perhaps consider such, and how such an event may unfold? As much as is possible before it's decided on, of course....

Shango

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

I like the idea from Afollia.

Events are always fun, do not need to do anything inherently major, and can open new doors (like a new big bad again).

@Xenthos it looks like you are putting words in Orael's mouth now. Straw Man fallacy.

Malayn

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

If I'm being unpleasant about the situation, I apologize. I just don't want the issue of OOC vendettas to be brushed aside, because they will simply fester instead of being properly addressed. It may deserve its own discussion, though, that I can concede.

Would you be more amenable if it was anyone other than Ixion who was raised to 2nd TA (provided they were still on the same "side")?

Mboagn

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

There have been people who have explicitly (although privately) stated that their reasons for denying Ixion was due to 'griefing' and that it would be a 'terrible thing ICly and OOCly'. No, not everyone who is opposed to Ixion shares these views and are toxic, but there are people who do have these views, and their behaviour is toxic.

If you do think that 'griefing' and 'terrible IC and OOC' instances are not toxic and detrimental reasons have in opposing Ixion, I am all ears for explanations.

Mboagn

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Xenthos said:

So you're saying that... in your mind, there was no winner. It's not fair or right that the team that did get 3600 first get anything, at all, no matter how minor?
If that's the case, I'm really not sure what we're doing in this thread. If the Official Answer is that there was not a winner in this event, I wish it had been stated outright a while ago. It would have saved everyone a lot of frustration... including you, I'm sure.

To be fair, this thread has been... revealing... in unexpected ways.

Mboagn

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Orael said:

Xenthos said:

Can you please explain how you feel that the second suggestion makes Ixion any less of a TA? In this scenario, Ixion would be equivalent to both Yendor & me as a TA, but Choros would have gained a little extra perk that he shared with his team.
I think I missed your saying that being anything less than a full TA mechanics-wise would be a violation of your lines, but it is useful to know.

Because it means that you're getting something and they're not because they had bad luck with lag that potentially ruined their chances. It's back to the same thought process as why I don't think 2 TA's for your side is fair when only giving one to them.

So you're saying that... in your mind, there was no winner. It's not fair or right that the team that did get 3600 first get anything, at all, no matter how minor?

If that's the case, I'm really not sure what we're doing in this thread. If the Official Answer is that there was not a winner in this event, I wish it had been stated outright a while ago. It would have saved everyone a lot of frustration... including you, I'm sure.

Xenthos

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Hey. HEY. Have Parhelion beat Kethuru so bad that he's essentially a non-threat from now on. It's high time to introduce a new Big Bad, no?

Mboagn

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

@Xenthos if you're really so hard up about denying Ixion over all else...offer to sacrifice your own Ascended status to block his through the course of the Event, never able to be raised again. Doesn't sound very fair or pleasing an idea though, does it? No of course not. Be aware of how you come off with this constant bickering and needling.

Though it is true, after opening up Domoth Powers to everyone (a move I do actually like, for all that I'm a Vernal myself and thus the only benefit is a bit more weight, Clairsentience, inherent Flight and being a Domoth mule)...Ascendant has lost a bit of its luster. So in THAT light, one of your own allies making the point, why are you so hard lined on this angle? Beyond denying Ixion by any means, of course. The admin aim for fair, to which you even admit yourself that the solution is just that. How are you going to turn around after admitting such yet still push for otherwise? You're saying then that fairness is not your goal here?

And while this may seem off-topic, it's the crux of why this thread has gone on and on for 5 pages now and seems to be needing addressing. Either accept the decision as has been made, or offer a CONSTRUCTIVE idea...that is still fair to all involved...and be done with this, please?

Shango

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Xenthos said:

Can you please explain how you feel that the second suggestion makes Ixion any less of a TA? In this scenario, Ixion would be equivalent to both Yendor & me as a TA, but Choros would have gained a little extra perk that he shared with his team.
I think I missed your saying that being anything less than a full TA mechanics-wise would be a violation of your lines, but it is useful to know.

Because it means that you're getting something and they're not because they had bad luck with lag that potentially ruined their chances. It's back to the same thought process as why I don't think 2 TA's for your side is fair when only giving one to them.

Orael

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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem

Maybe giving Parhelion a special honour line or rp perk would make sense rather than trying to take things off ixion. Give him something a little extra to honour being the first (i assume before the admin realised just HOW crippling the lag was).

Sapphira

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