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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
I'm not normally one to step up and talk, but since you brought it up, I 100% agree with your view on discord. I can't count the number of times I've had to console different people having rough experiences based solely (seemingly) off of discord interactions rather than IC ones, and the skewed view definitely does not tempt me to participate. It might leave you at some theoretical disadvantage, sure, but it's much easier to treat the game as just a game when you unplug completely at logout, and when nothing pertaining to the game happens outside of your direct game client. Jo would not be Jo if I played otherwise.Saz said:
A final advice from a pseudo-retiree, whose opinions shouldn't hold much weight:Disconnect yourself from discord channels, guys&gals. I understand that almost %99 of the current competitive/engaged playerbase is constantly interacting there, OOC. My personal opinion is that it's making everything worse simply due to the fact that the event itself and consequences/discussions around it are purely mechanical and never in character. So the frustrations are coming in players' directions instead of characters and that's removing a protective layer ("Oh, it's their character that's a jerk, not the player." ). Lusternia is a truly unique experience that you feel down when you lose, then you feel down again when you win. And it's been a hectic few weeks, but it has been for everyone involved and not just you. So you might want to keep your attitude in check, dear reader.
Jolanthe
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
I for one applaud this decision, it felt like it was lag that beat our side moreso than being outplayed, and I think it reflects well on the admin to own up to the fact that it was an issue and reach a hand out to support somebody who also put a ton of work into ascension and preparing for it (lets be honest multiple years of work on Ixion's part) only to not have the contest be one outside of any player's control.
Kudos to the admin for owning up to it and seeking to address it.
Kudos to the admin for owning up to it and seeking to address it.
Uzriel
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Please don't. Discord is horribly toxic, as is a lot of the ooc clans lately. You worked hard to win Justice and deserved it, and you have consistently been the better person in all of this. There's no reason why anyone shouldn't have supported you over Ixion, and I'd have been happy to support both of you if possible. Take a few days away from this nonsense and see what happens this weekend, at least. You can always retire then if nothing changes.Parhelion said:
If you helped with Ascension, either on Ixion's team or mine, thank you for caring to continue our mission of keeping Kethuru at bay.
Kethaera
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
@Shaddus, you did what your conscience led you to do and no one should ever fault you for that, nor should you quit because of it. Emotions will dwindle, tensions will relax and you can get back to enjoying your second home again. Hopefully we can use this moment to shed light on toxic behaviors and start from there. Hope to see you around.
Ruiku
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Please don't retire because of a bunch of jabronis.
Maligorn
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Please do not do anything yet. Do not retire. You have been the bigger person in all of this and Lusternia needs more people like you. Don't let the toxicity that is flowing drive you away. I have appreciated your standing up in what you believe in. You've been humble about it all from the start. You have requested the trash talking to stop and that means a lot to me. It blows my mind how severely toxic this place has become and we really need to stand our ground and drive THAT away. Not our good players.Parhelion said:My tone is because I've spent countless hours in Ascension, in an OOC Alliance clan you're not in, listening to people talk trash about all of the Gaudi/Mag people talking about retiring, or just walking away, or being demoralised in general. Well beyond "I'm sorry I didn't win", these G/M comments are heavily into "this is driving me away". These people in this Alliance clan, who I asked repeatedly to chill out and be graceful winners beyond a bit of strutting, are now doing the same thing and maintaining the same attitudes. Since then, I've heard various reports about people complaining about how it was all a long game and Parhelion is leaving for Magnagora, or Hallifax is joining back up with IHC, or any number of things along this line.Rancoura said:
Regardless, I agree that there was likely no resolution to this that would keep everyone happy -- my issue is more with Parhelion's tone in the first quote I posted above.
I posted what I did here with full intention of holding to it. If my opinion that Ixion deserves this Ascension, if not more, than I do pisses you off so much that you're willing to retire or quit, then so be it. At that time, people were more than welcome to let me know oocly in a tell or message, we could have snubbed each other, and I could have went about my way.
But it's worsened since then, partially in this thread. Like Malarious has said, it's obvious that this is more about keeping Ixion from ascending than it was ascending me, and part of me gets that. That doesn't mean I like it shoved in my face, or having people bitch about me in various places about how the admin should have had a game-wide vote, or asked the game in general. About how my ascension now means nothing, just because Ixion gets it too.
I cannot and will not be the reason people leave this game. I'm sorry. I've scheduled Parhelion and the rest of my viable characters for retirement for tomorrow. You can take this as a cry for attention, you can take this as a tantrum, you can take this however you want, because Lusternia's playerbase's opinion of me no longer matters to me. I'm taking twenty four hours to think on whether I want this to be my second home anymore. I've temporarily deleted my Discord account, and I'd appreciate it if people would just leave me alone in every way possible.
If you helped with Ascension, either on Ixion's team or mine, thank you for caring to continue our mission of keeping Kethuru at bay.
Moxxie
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Nooo bro, don't do it. It really says a lot about the player base when those of us who were against you IC have to defend you more than those who were supporting you IC. But the OOC meta is too strong I guess. Don't retire man, just take a break and let people who didn't have a dog in the race vent their rage till the next big thing turns their attention.
Thalkros
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
I'm surprised that Ascension is, essentially, that joke about, "It's not enough that we win, others have to lose." At least, it is, for some people. That stance seems incredibly punitive, especially since even Wyrdenwoods keep stating that Creeping is not the problem, but lag is. Lag is the responsibility of the admin team, and this move definitively shifts the blame to them (and they have owned up to it).
This is my first Ascension, but from the stories I heard, lag has always been a constant factor. The difference with this particular lag is that people knew exactly how it would play out. We raised issues about it beforehand. Xenthos, from his Discord messages, also implied that you raised issues before hand. Everyone knew, everyone raised concerns, and the admin didn't make the necessary changes beforehand. They admit that it was their bad, hence, this move.
Parhelion is still TA. He is the first (and, you could even argue, the legitimate) TA. Take the win. It is the win.
This is my first Ascension, but from the stories I heard, lag has always been a constant factor. The difference with this particular lag is that people knew exactly how it would play out. We raised issues about it beforehand. Xenthos, from his Discord messages, also implied that you raised issues before hand. Everyone knew, everyone raised concerns, and the admin didn't make the necessary changes beforehand. They admit that it was their bad, hence, this move.
Parhelion is still TA. He is the first (and, you could even argue, the legitimate) TA. Take the win. It is the win.
Mboagn
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Re: Simple Ideas
Yeah, it seems like anything available through the API should be available on honors, in a way that bypasses Laurels. Maybe something as simple as an in-game WHOIS command that pulls the same information as what's populated in JSON into a cute little ASCII table.Ghibli said:I know it's really easy to figure out what org someone is in (the character API comes to mind as the most straight forward) but there isn't a really straightforward mechanism in the game to do this (that I know of - so I'm sorry if I'm missing it). Since the info is already easily accessible, could it just be added to the game in a more obvious manner that doesn't require scripting? Either on the WHO list, a separate ORGWHO list (or something like that), on the HONOURS output, or maybe a new GMCP event that spits out the same data as the characters API that is emitted when you HONOURS someone (though this last one would still require scripting)?
Jaspet
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