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Re: What are you listening to at the moment?

Jolanthe said:

I'm not sure if I've had too much internet, or not enough internet.

I can feel the spider crawling on me

Coraline

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Re: Nalurei Finds Her Shape

I do wonder what Carakhan is actually doing with these paintings. ... Is there a divine refrigerator that she's pinning them to?

Tridemon

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

Daraius said:

2. If the goal is to keep people logged in for two hours, make the full 20 credit reward contingent on their being logged in for two hours. Say Ilthilior manages to do Xion and get a hunting tick in half an hour because he's got it down to a science, mete out 5 credits every half hour he stays logged in for him to claim the full reward for his efforts. If he'd already put in the time RPing with guild novices, then he gets the credits upon completing the tasks as usual.

I feel like this is the sanest way to make this "goal" work while also not completely wrecking things to balance to the top. When you earn daily credits, you immediately get one for every 6 minutes that you've been logged in (20 credits * 6 minutes =120 minutes to get them all). Any credits past that go into a queue. Every six more minutes of play time, one gets released to you.

My preferred option would, of course, be: "Give quests a general rate based on how difficult they are; if someone's figured out how to make it go faster, then oh well, let it have the reward for general difficulty and not nerf it for everyone because of the few." If that's simply not an option because of some mandate from on high, then provide a drip to the game so it doesn't matter how much faster you earn than you're supposed to, you're still supposed to be active for that time. Can leave quest rewards the heck alone and keep adding more options in, buff up hunting/influencing, whatever you want because you've assigned an actual time goal instead of a random comparison of how fast two different people can complete the same tick.

I don't think it's understood how frustrating it is to be told, effectively, "You're playing the game too well, so everyone who does this thing is going to get nerfed."

Edit: As to the above, I've been earning a ton of credits from org things too, but I'm a bit of a completionist / hoarder. See: Curios. So when the daily credits aren't capped I feel like I should go cap them. Why? I don't know. It's not like I need any more bound credits, but I like to keep gathering them. Maybe I do just need to stop. Maybe they're not intended for me. The last thing I want is for people who are already saying how much of a difficulty it is for them to gather the things to be put at an even greater disadvantage, because most of you need the things way more than I do.

Edit 2: It's been a long day. Perhaps this post is a bit too over the top. I'm going to leave it because that's how I'm feeling right now. What it really boils down to now is: I don't understand how a thread about how to improve an aspect of the game instead morphed into... this. Was anyone complaining that we were earning daily ticks too fast? Was it breaking the game? Has it actually been an issue? I don't understand why it's a problem; why can't we just keep improving it, instead of taking one step forward and two steps back?

Xenthos

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

I get quite a lot of credits just by designing things. And I would get way more when I can be bothered to make a play/write a book. Still feel incomplete when I don't get all dailycredits though!

Coraline

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

I know where you two are coming from, but people will still be bothered by the fact they can still do dailies on top of that. There's a certain personality that's just going to be bothered and incensed if they don't get that 20/20, and IRE is generally pretty good about catering to them. That, more than anything, makes this particular issue seem jarring imo

Jolanthe

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

I have Elite. I still collect dailies every day on top of that. I can't see why you wouldn't want to, you get way more from the dailies.

Xenthos

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

Orael said:

I don't think I've done a good job communicating the intentions and the goals, so I'm going to try again.

We want everyone to be able to complete things in about two hours and be engaged in the game for about two hours to get their 20 daily credits... The intent is to get people involved and playing and participating. Some people like hunting and influencing, others like questing.

Yet pretty much all of the rewards come from doing things that aren't engaging and encourage people not to interact with each other. If all I've got is a few hours a day to play, I can either spend them all grinding (not fun) and get credits, or actually playing the game with other players, and get nothing. Engagement is punished.

Everiine

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

Daraius said:

My main takeaway is that Shevats don't invite me along on family hunts. ;_;

Maybe they think that the monks would miss your presence.

Xenthos

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

I feel like there needs to also be consideration for what's an unreasonably long amount of time?

If everything is harder because people with "perfect" class choices and full artifact kits for their activities then what's that actually look like for the true newbie with a "sub-par" class choice who's been bashed up to demigod but has only been getting credits from dailies and other in-game rewards?

Saran

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Re: Daily Credit Feedback

IJS, I went bashing for 2 hours with Allie and Nelras on Astral and got 3000 points between 3 demigods with gnomeweapons and 10-13 damage buffs, crits, etc. We're not top tier by any means, but it should be reasonable to expect if the goal is "get 20 credits for playing for 2 hours" then our group should have had a reasonable shot at doing it.

But no, I got 16 credits.

Yeah, I can do a quest in 5 minutes to get the last few credits, but now I don't want to talk about it because it will get taken away.

Merlose

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