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Shaddus said:

That being said, this is supposed to be a thread of unpopular opinions. Let's get back on track with that!

My unpopular opinion: If you're in an org, and you're wearing a brooch/whatever of your polar-opposing org, you should probably be punished or at least spoken to. I shouldn't see people dressed as earth elementals wandering the streets of Celest, or people standing at the Moonhart dressed up as Daughters of Night.

Magnagora's decorum used to, at least, have this included (haven't looked in a while) and I loved it. Still do. It's become another example of mechanics > rp

Kistan said:

But thats what I was asking - what would make you start again? There is no point treating the symptoms and not the underlying cause. It is easy to say what you don't want, less easy to say what you do. If all the fixes in the world would not make you PvP again, then while your opinion is valid, I would concentrate any effort on those who were still willing and ask them what would make them get into PvP again. Not saying you are to blame, only that the effort might not be worth the reward

Good points. In answer, combat is favourable to Glomdoring because vitals pressure > affs pressure. This is why I don't want to play ball. Now - I don't want Glomdoring to be nerfed, I'm not really on board with the 'nerf bleed' stuff - I want to have other vitals kills become viable. Either give warriors (and stag druids?) the tools to pull off health kills, or remove some of the things that prevent them from pulling it off. Everyone has warriors, so making them good helps every org. Then look at the magic based guilds and see if they can be given tools for a vitals kill, or at least something like Hallifaxes Timequake, which has obviously been a recent major success and good step towards equalising things.

The deleting orgs/changing alliances systems seem silly to talk about because we know they won't happen. The former because... come on. And the latter because it would either need to be actively policed by admins or be entirely reliant on the players taking it easy. So again, come on.

Hard coded limits, again, what's the problem? The causing feelings to go down system that Anak suggested seems fine to me, too, because, in practicality, it seems the same as a hard coded limit system. If Glomdoring cannot physical enter any villages during a revolt after they've taken 3, for example, then they can't play bodyguard to another org, either. So numbers balance out. Right?

(I'm also against the empire idea because it seems that's exactly what the problem is. The Holy Glomdoring Empire has risen. So. Isn't that what we want to avoid?)

I'm opposed to hard caps, since I'm a big fan of the empire concept as long as it's not easy to achieve and maintain. The Holy New Celestine Empire shall rise once again.

The big problem is that an org, if it knows it can't easily take a village (for example), is that they show up to become bodyguards for their allies. Essentially, the winning org gets to prop up their puppets.

For revolts, my rough idea is that if an org holds more than 3 villages, then each member of that org that enters an uninfluenced village will cause village feelings to drain away from all their owned villages. This drained amount has to be significant enough to be noticeable.

And if my above idea is taken, then I have a further revamp of revolts in mind:

1- Remove the hardcoded group revolts (Talthos-Dairuchi, Estelbar-Acknor, so on and so forth).

2- Villages will instead revolt if their feelings towards their master org hits the lowest. I think it's -3 or -4 from neutral? I've forgotten. So if, for example, Glomdoring owns 6 villages (as it does now) and it insists on bodyguarding for Gaudiguch at a Dairuchi revolt, then they would eventually cause all their six villages to revolt, too. This is why the feelings drain I was talking about above has to be significant. 

I'm thinking: one single member of Glomdoring (to stay consistent with our example) will drain away 1 level of feelings per 5 minutes they stay inside. Cumulative, so it can't be gamed easily by darting in/out of the area.

If there are 7 levels of feelings in total (-3, 0, 3), then 35 minutes of one person from Glomdoring bodyguarding in the example Dairuchi revolt would cause all Glom villages to revolt.

The more Gloms who bodyguard for the revolt, the worse the effects. 7 Gloms who enter the village would cause theirs to revolt in one tick.

3- If a master org manages to maintain positive feelings, then it'd just keep using the old system: the village would have a chance to revolt 8? RL days from when it was taken.

Biggest danger I see is that people can break alt rules, to force an org's villages to revolt. I don't really have a solution for that, other than make it an IP bannable offense.

In that case, I like Synl's suggestion of having a hard cap on villages held, too.

Innon said:

What can we do to spread PK players more evenly? 

If you just want people to change orgs more freely: make it easier to change orgs. Tie artifacts to accounts, not characters. At least, that's the only thing preventing me from changing orgs really. My characters RP simply won't fit another org (it felt super weird that one time I went to Hallifax years ago... weird enough that I stopped playing the game). But I also don't want to give up several amounts of RL cash to play a new character.

It won't happen, though. So onto other ideas. Ah well.