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Re: Thanks for all the new features!
I know we're giving you a hard time about Timequakes, but I am impressed that you've decided to pick tasks and stick to them through completion.
Re: Do you think we should remove OOC clans from Lusternia?
To me, Lusternia is what you make it. So if you want to make it a game where you can go and chat about your day at work or whatever in a private clan, then that's your prerogative.
Snald
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Re: Do you think we should remove OOC clans from Lusternia?
Synl said:I'm all for cutting down on OOC clans, or removing them. I definitely see and am 'guilty' of using them to find tradesmen etc. That said... there is no solution here. Because the admins aren't going to start policing and shutting down OOC clans. So. Vote your opinion, but don't expect anything to come of it.
I also think that is a bit overly simplistic as we have both tells, messages, and letters. Let's not think if ooc clans are removed we'll see a sharp increase of bands of Council members crossing the Basin to ask to parlay with an equally large group of opposing Council members.
I think the immersion 'issue' is more red herring than not. We're playing a game where you get daily credits and the command is dailycredits and I suspect few have any idea what a credit would be IC ... immersion has to be more top down than bottom up.
This is a game where we have Weeky Pedia, if your immersion is broken by people not yourself being in ooc clans you're fighting a battle that you not only cannot win, but one for where there is no win to win.
Or put another way, play the game the way you want to play. If your way is wrong, perhaps the way others play also is not wrong. Not everyone enjoys hanging out at the nexus. I for one will never understand how people can handle being the aetherplex without feeling like a creep. Not everyone interacts the way you do, it is better to have more ways to interact and let people use the ones they are comfortable with.
Re: Do you think we should remove OOC clans from Lusternia?
Siam said:I mean, it's not like anyone is being forced to join an OOC clan, unless things have changed between my inactivity and return. If a player doesn't want anything OOC related, it's simple: they don't have to join an OOC clan. It has never been a requirement so I don't understand those votes asking for the complete removal of OOC clans.
So at one point I was told that the only way I could get help with combat was in a specific OOC clan which also was used for regular chatter that was significantly disconnected from the game.
When I was active, it became increasingly true that far more often than not people were too busy talking in OOC clans to talk on actual IC channels. (From being in some of them and being able to observe the behaviour)
So yeah, my most recent experience has been that if you want support to learn combat, you are forced to join an OOC clan. If you want more than silence even when your orgmates are online, you're probably going to have to join an OOC clan. Seemed like more and more the primary communication in the game was via OOC, which is why people have these complaints.
Also, just to quote the OOC help file
Staying IN CHARACTER, and Other Restrictions--------------------------------------------
Basically reads as pretty much everything is IC. I remember discussions that came down to things like, if a player chooses to take anything from an OOC clan IC then that's their prerogative, same with say squads or ship channels.
Saran
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Re: Do you think we should remove OOC clans from Lusternia?
It's been mentioned that sometimes things are discussed OOC that should be discussed IC, leading to those who are not in those OOC channels to miss out -- so there is some pressure to join, if only not to be left in the dark (no pun intended).Siam said:I mean, it's not like anyone is being forced to join an OOC clan, unless things have changed between my inactivity and return. If a player doesn't want anything OOC related, it's simple: they don't have to join an OOC clan. It has never been a requirement so I don't understand those votes asking for the complete removal of OOC clans.
Rancoura
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Re: Superbosses, Glomdoring & Conflict - Oh my!
Maybe Glom is lacking in using supermobs as RP tools, but go visit Celest or Magnagora, even alt there, and you'll see their teachings, symbolism, and other aspects of the Supernals and Demon Lords. Seren has some pretty deep insight and RP with their aspects too, can't say much for fleshpots and spheres, they're not really RP devices to my knowledge.
Lycidas
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Re: Unpopular Opinion: Lusternia Edition
Or some buy them for the RP.Arix said:People mostly only buy laurels to force actions/emotions on others or hide that they've been doing conflict quests they don't want to get in trouble for
Rancoura
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Re: Do you think we should remove OOC clans from Lusternia?
Qualified yes.
I think it's easier to make the policy that all clans are IC and that's that.
But I also think a formal combat questions channel would be good for each org to have by default which has the game-wide policies covering them, i.e directly game related mechanical questions that necessarily step outside IC.
I think it's easier to make the policy that all clans are IC and that's that.
But I also think a formal combat questions channel would be good for each org to have by default which has the game-wide policies covering them, i.e directly game related mechanical questions that necessarily step outside IC.
Saran
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Re: Thanks for all the new features!
I can say without a doubt that I am amazed and really floored with our admin bringing their game. I think this thread is definitely the place to make sure we post about how much they're doing an amazing job so far after we've shifted to free-to-play.
Vatul
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Re: Superbosses, Glomdoring & Conflict - Oh my!
Kethaera said:Combat is only motivating when it isn't ridiculously one-sided for long periods of time. There are already people getting tired of the endless slog of seeing no reward for their efforts, and leaving for other games. Increasing the amount of one-sided conflict - which is what any raiding/smob system will do, by the nature of it - will only exacerbate this problem.
If you really want *more* conflict, the solution would be to force, either by player choice or game design, smaller scale combat between a limited number of people/orgs. Prevent alliances on some events, limit an area to only allowing an equal number of combatants from opposing sides.
It is demotivating to lose org-loyal mobs and know that you can't do the same thing to the other side. It doesn't matter what the mechanical loss actually is, I still don't want to sit in game and listen to those spheres screaming for help and know that if I wanted to jump in, it'll be 3 vs 10. Again. I speak as possibly the only person in the last Hallifax/Serenwilde/Magnagora smob raid who actually enjoyed the process and gathering essence - to a point. We have only *just recently* started making a net positive gain on recovering from the damage that caused.
No matter how much positivity I want to try to shovel into that hole, it's just not possible. Even if I could be as willfully ignorant as some seem to be about the problems, I can't help but notice that fewer people are showing up from "my side." I can count. Fix raiding mechanics and find ways to force smaller-scale conflict, please and thanks.
This. Absolutely.
And as to mentions of "off-peak" raiding, I would consider this to depend on perspective. There are a lot of people who have the time in their lives to raid whenever people are gone in an org and vice versa. I don't think it's really a reason to adjust SMOBS, as some have stated through this thread. People do it. People can change that on their own if they want to. We don't need a mechanic in SMOBS that forces them to. Again, we know people in general won't because that's how PVP is at the moment.
But we do need is conflict mechanics, as Keth says that limits some alliances or the number of people depending on what conflict event is going to occur. Maybe this could be tested in Timequakes, so that it's not a complete runaway arm's race.
Recently whenever we are attempting to defend, sometimes alone, there are always more people who can be assisted on the current "opposing" side. While it is our choice to be defensive or offensive, no matter the number, most of us really want an even match of people when we're defending our planes, shrines, and a variety of other things that are RPly worthy of defense. However, they are not worth the time now OOCly due to how group fights happen on a general basis, and the techniques used to draw out people to defend.
Vatul
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