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Everiine said:

Okiedokes, since I was brought in here -- the person complaining in Serenwilde about juvenile behavior was me. I made a rather enjoyable news post about it, which led to the complaints.

I enjoyed your post...  

General note to Serenwilders, other players will take you as seriously (or not) as you take yourselves. This stuff isn't invisible to us, either, and it affects the way your org is thought of and treated, both ooc and ic. If you're all ok with that... keep on keeping on, I guess. Just like everything else, there's consequences for it.

Coraline said:

Wow. Sexual innuendo. That's a new one.

Not really, I've now heard the issue from two different people.

Sexual harassment is also generally a factor in why people start complaining about "Snugglewilde" again, aside from innuendo there's also often issues around a lack of consent with sexualised emoting.

So, if there was someone complaining about your behaviour either it wasn't just you inviting people to a herofete, or you've looked at someone's words and decided they're targeted at yourself.



edit: Pulling this back on topic.

Again, if you want to engage in behaviours or rp IC it makes no real sense to me that you would go to an OOC clan rather than finding or creating an IC one that enables you to pursue RP that you want.

Afaik, if someone wants to make "Innuendo Town the clan" go for it, it doesn't necessitate it being OOC, and I doubt anyone's really going to care if it's only people who have consented to being in that environment seeing it.

Coraline said:

Oh dang you were being serious.

Well, someone should tell her and see if that works instead of public shaming.

Edit: there's a difference between emoting/insanity in the org either and someone ICly having fun and joking around. The latter doesn't really hurt anyone, and if we start policing it, where do we stop? 

Unless there's a whole theme to the org, which in the case of Serenwilde is a lot of mixed opinions and no one will tell you what this supposed "history" is but you're expected to know it. 

This is my opinion, some people might disagree, but disagreements shouldn't resort to publicly shaming and acting like the chat police. Most people understand when you send them a tell 

Oh, the "supposed history" is only murky because some in the forest challenge Crow for the levels of False Memory. Like, I've seen Spiritsingers be shocked about like... Serenwilde working with the dead, despite that being a whole mechanic for them.

Coraline said:

My previous comment was off-topic. But I couldn't just sit there and get slandered by someone who wasn't even online then and is passing judgement without being very informed about what actually happened. Regardless, it was an off-topic comment and I apologize.

To be clear, the only person who made that comment targeted at you was yourself.

edit: And just to really make it clear, if you've got some OOC clan where you can express the silliness you want your character to... why do you need that to be OOC when you could just do that on an IC clan?
Make some "Children of the Spring Maiden" clan that's there for Serens want to opt in for that sort of thing.

I see your slippery slope and raise you a "Serenwilde's aether isn't a 'chat', it's a mental channel where citizens of the same org can communicate ideas and information". Being silly and joking around is fine. Talking like a baby and rawring over the aether because your idea of rp is "look at me, I'm an anthromorphic cat! I'm going to sit on your head!" Is..well, not exactly fine.

Daxi Strongleaf said:

The problem in Serenwilde is when people do start having fun on CT in character, they get yelled at by older players for being inane and silly.

(Serenwilde): Yugifyre says, "RAWR."


Not. Acceptable.

My previous comment was off-topic. But I couldn't just sit there and get slandered by someone who wasn't even online then and is passing judgement without being very informed about what actually happened. Regardless, it was an off-topic comment and I apologize.

Back to the topic, I remember as a newbie on my second day I asked a question about mechanics (that was very OOC) on CT, and Vefai added me to the Seren OOC clan and helpfully informed me that CT should remain IC and such questions can be asked in the clan. I don't know how these things can be done without OOC clans. I realize most of you have been players for years, but others like me are not. Not everyone starts off knowing the full lore and history, and the mechanics. 

But I do agree that things that can be discussed ICly should not be discussed in the clans (although I have no idea how someone can enforce that).

Coraline said:

My previous comment was off-topic. But I couldn't just sit there and get slandered by someone who wasn't even online then and is passing judgement without being very informed about what actually happened. Regardless, it was an off-topic comment and I apologize.

Back to the topic, I remember as a newbie on my second day I asked a question about mechanics (that was very OOC) on CT, and Vefai added me to the Seren OOC clan and helpfully informed me that CT should remain IC and such questions can be asked in the clan. I don't know how these things can be done without OOC clans. I realize most of you have been players for years, but others like me are not. Not everyone starts off knowing the full lore and history, and the mechanics. 

But I do agree that things that can be discussed ICly should not be discussed in the clans (although I have no idea how someone can enforce that).

There may a need for ooc clans for that reason, I think the arguments about it have been better than those made for allowing any ooc clans for any reason.

Outside enforcement is best, imo, but if nothing else, I hope people will give some thought to keeping conversations that could IC, to IC channels.

I will just list my reasons why I think OOC Clans also have positive sides

1. OOC clans allow me to ask things about game related things, or even org related things that I can not ask ICly. Like if I am working on an org mob I can ask hey does this description look good. Or what do you think about buying an npc for xyz.  Or even what is the syntax for this thing.

2. It is a good place to quickly test if a fellow player is having issues with a rather harsh stance my character might have in game. In fact in a recent interaction with someone they expressed concern that I was angry at them OOCly. I hope I assured them I am not and that my entire interaction with them was characterbuilding.

3. Sometimes it allows me to tell someone hey I would love to rp with you but I am about to leave for work, sleep, other things. Rain check. Because even though I can icly brush them off, some people just live at a horrible timezone for interacting with and it might seem I am avoiding them, so that tad of extra ooc info can tell them I am actually interested in interacting with them. It also can be used to quickly discuss OOC shedules.

4. Sometimes just oocly talking about inane things like tv, other games, things that trouble us etc can be a good way to build an ooc community of people that genuinly like eachother even though their characters don't. Boosting a wish to interact ICly with them. And while yes you can say go to discord or some such, yeah no, I am focused on my game screen, I don't use 2 screens right now. Also I do not like throwing around my RL info as much as I used to. So having it in my mudlet screen works.