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Deichtine said:

Innon said:

Deichtine said:

Innon said:

This is a review of current artifact/curio problems. The people calling for scent to be changed have yet to explain why it is a problem? How does scent hurt the game? Why do we need to change scent? 

We went though the reasons for it a fair bit. Not sure what your asking?

Why do you think scent needs removed or changed? 

Oh sorry I thought we'd covered that.

To sort of summarise the past posts then it gives instant tracking to classes that don't normally have it.  Classes who's main counter is to run from for a short length of time have scent and path tracking to instant walk to people. It makes chasing a press of a button. If you go back over the thread people went into it in more detail but thats the sort of tldr version.

Running is a press of the button as well.

Edit: So one class can run and still will be ahead even when scent chased. If you like we can test it? You are one of the best combatants in the game. I am not even a demigod. I bet you struggle locking me down. 

Xenthos said:

Post #2 in this thread has my view on that.  I mean, it is literally the first reply here.  And all the replies since then discussing the subject just seem to prove the point as to how "required" people feel it to be.

I would be happy if it had a 1-2s eq cost (add the same to the skill itself in Totems/Transmology, fine by me).  And the amount of pushback even that gets is telling.

You stated it should? Why? Because you say? I am saying that isn't good enough. Current game is easy to tumble or somersault and run. Scent is the only close counter to that. I am sure pincharge would not benefit from removal of scent. Why does scent not having balance cause an issue? 

Deichtine said:

My TLDR version is a bleed rework wouldn't really require much work on any class except harbingers.

Classes who get a rework are generally classes who need one. Aquamancers didn't get a rework because fire potion was put in a specific balance. Cantors didn't get a rework when aeon was changed, either.

Changes which incidentally may bring Harbingers down to the level of all the other bard groups aren't going to require it to have a rework. 

@Deichtine People are explaining why they are leaving. I don't think you're helping your image or anyone's frustrations by belittling their posts now. I am trying to say this respectfully but nothing will ever, EVER get fixed in the name of player retention if the response to someone being upset is to say 'yeah but you did this thing' or 'I pointed out why you sucked once before and you were mean to me'. 

This thread isn't called 'I'm leaving because of Deichtine' so perhaps it would help if you didn't come in defensively to every post as though they were aimed at you specifically - unless you feel you have a guilty conscience, perhaps. Shutting down people saying their piece (when they are civil) is counter-productive.

Lycidas said:

We're not after a bleed rework.

Says you.  I'm totally cool with a bleed rework, if it'll help level out their skills and reduce their synergy to acceptable levels with the rest of us.

I'm not going to speak for anyone, because it'd be wrong to do so, but I can talk about my own experience and the general vibe I've gotten from a lot of people. You can dismiss my input, of course, but doing so merely proves it right.

For a long time my friends and I tried. We tried very hard. We won some, we lost some. For a while we won most, but for the greater amount of time we lost most. Lusternia's community is a humble one, but it's full of people who genuinely care(d) about the game. More than any playerbase I ever have or probably will encounter. 

Problem is losing sucks. 

When you lose a few times you go back and review what you've done and you try again.
Losing a few more times, you ask for help.
Losing a few more times, you look at the differences between you and your opponent. 
You invest more, in most every sense of the word.
Losing a few more times, time and time again, you either give up or you analyse why you're still losing.
You and your friendly genuinely believe there's a discrepancy in balance. 
You talk about it for well over a year, trying to show people that it's there only for the most of people to continue to tell you to do better or that you're bad. 
Eventually people start to write you off and treat you as negligible. 
You keep trying, of course, because you're still playing the game. Hoping for some change in the environment that will make it fun again.
You try for a very long time and then you just give up and leave. 
You leave the game for about a year, maybe over. Sometimes you come back and dabble for a week or so, then leave again.
You see a major, long awaited change to your favourite class, one that you had pushed for for the majority of the time you played. You get excited, you come back.
Except the magic isn't there any more. The people who were being dismissive continue to do so, and you don't really want to interact with them anymore.
The friends that you used to strive with have all moved on. 
Most of the problems that you pointed out, while now are still being echoed, but in a much larger voice as problems, are still present.

I want to play Lusternia again, which is the worst part, I suppose. I really do want to enjoy the game again, but I don't know where the magic went. 
I'm sure I'll keep trying here and there in the future, but this is why I've left and why I may/may not end up returning. 

Is it entirely what I perceive as a mechanic difference? No, far from. Is it the experience that I've endured while trying to make positive changed to the game? Largely. 
Sometimes you just have to perform a little bit of introspection and help yourself before you can help the game.

The biggest problem with this game? The people who, still to this day, proclaim there is no problem when confronted, and write you off.

I miss you, Hallifax, when everything was going well enough and we still had hope. Genuinely and truly. 

N.B. I look forward to hearing about another exciting ascension this year.

And while we're here, let's contrast Nightsweats (directly assists all your kill methods via adding bursts of bleeding when you damage someone) and:

Moonwater: next time you sip for h/m/e, cures an affliction.

Holywater: uh...blocks damage one time? Not sure here.

Unholywater: when you're dealt damage, deals half of it back to your attacker. Semi useful,  doesn't contribute to much.

Firemead: does some fire damage.

Frost Tea: makes your pinky crook itself when you drink it from a cup. Also..I think does damage to an enemy who sips?




It just seems like anything put in place for Glomdoring "makes sense", but anything put in place for other orgs is 50% flavor text, or designed thematically as opposed to making sure it helps the org.

We're not after a bleed rework.