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Deichtine said:

I'm going to ignore the trolling and try and stay positive.

I'm having a great time with the influx of newbies we are getting and I'll do my best to keep them entertained and interactive. I see a future for the game and as long as we keep positive and keep promoting these new players the old toxicity we used to have will eventually fade away to a bad memory.  

The irony burns me.


We've literally had new players who start,  do well for a bit, and then leave  because the game is imbalanced and they can't understand why the admin let it go on. We've had older players who have stopped playing for the same reasons. 

We've had some toxic people leave. We've had some players who weren't toxic but were pretty bitter about the state of the game leave. 

Having said all that, I'm all for giving new people reasons to stay, but your reasoning is pretty unsound.  Problems don't go away just because you try and ignore them, and people are going to have the same problems in the future that we have had in the past, especially if we don't address said problems .

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Lavinya said:

I think you're trying to be upbeat and I appreciate that, but 'fingers crossed things get better on their own now players have left' .....we don't want players to leave? Aren't we looking for ways to improve other than hoping for the best? Or waiting for players to leave then hopefully it will be ok?

More a case of we are getting lots of new newbies in and now the negative people are gone hopefully we can retain them. 

This really encapsulates one of the reasons Lusternia is crumbling for me because that "negative" label isn't just applied to abusive types but also to people who just aren't happy with the game.

It reads as "The people that didn't like aspects of the game left so now everything's going to be great", but the reasons those "negative people" left are very likely still present and it's just a matter of time before the newbies encounter them and leave for the same reasons.

Ellowyn said:

I notice a lot of people use the discord as a bit of a scapegoat.  You don't have to be on there, there is no pressure.  The admin don't make plans with players on there and implement them and leave everyone else out in the cold.  They're just there to observe and interact in an unofficial capacity.

The one or two of you that complain about the discord are pretty much ignorant.  Before this, it was Skype groups or AIM.  

The admin have nothing to do with discord.  IRE have nothing to do with discord.  They are entirely separate entities.  If you have a complaint about any discord server, take it up with the moderators on there.  Or don't.  You leaving the discord channel will not impact you playing Lusternia at all.  Stop blaming a messaging application.

Nope, when the admin are talking about game mechanics, upcoming changes, player concerns, etc on discord they are collecting information (even subconsciously) that will inform their choices in the future. 

Sometimes this is replicated on other mediums but often they aren't, sometimes these discussions only get to the forums because the players present at the time in discord personally bring them across. 

This has also happened with the forums as well, it's just that the forums are more accessible thanks to things like threads which help are larger group of people participate than whoever happened to be online then the convo started.

Bit longer than 1.5 years.

Indirectly insulting the people that have left is really quite heinous. Sorry if my specific targeting is somehow less palatable than that.

I'm going to ignore the trolling and try and stay positive.

I'm having a great time with the influx of newbies we are getting and I'll do my best to keep them entertained and interactive. I see a future for the game and as long as we keep positive and keep promoting these new players the old toxicity we used to have will eventually fade away to a bad memory.  

Lavinya said:

I think you're trying to be upbeat and I appreciate that, but 'fingers crossed things get better on their own now players have left' .....we don't want players to leave? Aren't we looking for ways to improve other than hoping for the best? Or waiting for players to leave then hopefully it will be ok?

More a case of we are getting lots of new newbies in and now the negative people are gone hopefully we can retain them. 

I know, I wish people would be better than they are but yea the worst offenders seem to have left so fingers crossed things improve.

There was a core of really toxic players that were involved in a lot of abuse on the discord server that have thankfully mostly retired. If we can just move past the old toxicity I think we can really see things improve.

I am glad that you are enjoying the game and that great things are happening for your org. Unfortunately, this is not the case for everyone and every org, and I think it is very disingenuous to refuse to understand that. Perhaps the future for the game really is that everyone will be in Glomdoring and it will achieve its in-game goal of being the entirety of the Basin.

Edit: Perhaps it is also wise to remember that a lot of us have close friends who left for combat imbalance reasons, and that referencing the people who left as essentially "toxic players who had it coming" is going to make emotions run high.