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It's almost as if, and, call me crazy for saying this, people have been saying that Harbingers need changing for years.

Edit: Also, the simple fact of the matter is Glomdoring individual skillsets, as a whole, just provide far more options towards kill conditions and achieving them than any other organisation. On individuals, the only real class that can compete with any Glomdoring class is either Cantor or Celestine, but the synergy provided by the overall Glomdoring kit makes this largely moot in scaled combat. 

You can continue this discourse to your heart's content, or you can read over the comments made by the shining stars of the player-base who have moved onto other games for their individual reasons and make appropriate changes. Either way, if nothing is done this will just be another thread on the pile that has been accumulating for has been literal years now.

Idea:

Rework gems of cloaking, make it simply remove your location on thirdeye. People know you are around, just don't know where. 

Anyway, let's hop back onto original topic, the entirety of page 2 is just not the topic. Rather than reworking bleed, because as it stands, it is perfectly fine. The complaint isn't that bleed is strong, the complaint is that you won gold in the olympics and our orgs weren't even invited! Exaggeration makes everything better, when used for comedy. Back to topic, if we can all agree that this is indeed a thing, we can begin to have a real discussion. I personally wouldn't see any harm in lowering the bleeding done by the synergy. I don't want it removed, I don't want it crippled to where it's not worth doing, but scaled back some since everybody can contribute in the most basic of fashion. I will also be starting a thread for synergy ideas for those less fortunate.

Deichtine said:

@Innon


You told me the original reason you left the game was because of the negativity on discord. 

Rofl, leaving Lusternia because of a third party messenger application is pretty radical.  Why wouldn't you just... delete discord?

Xenthos said:

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, because you flat-out acknowledged that some people considered an artifact standard must-have (and thus possessed it) vs. others who did not (and left it on the shelf).  It's pretty apparent, to me at least, that nerfing fixing said artifact is going to most negatively impact the people who own it, and most positively impact those who don't but have to fight against it.

Agreement made, it was wonderful having civil discourse. While I will yield that the charm being altered may lower and bring things more in-line, it is not the magic band-aid and I think we both agree on that. So we'll leave that there.

@Synl I don't think we're here trying to nerf Glom's super synergy, I think we all just want a fair shake at that level of it too. I am always of the mindset to buff things to equality, not nerf it. More people are happier with overall buffs instead of one thing being lowered.

I guess I have trouble talking about Glom abilities because I think synergy is a good thing that should be added to more orgs. Not taken away from the orgs that currently have it. So like, I'd rather talk about how Celest and Seren can get some kind of systems in place similar to timewarp/insanity/bleeding. Maybe have Seren get bleeding, playing into their savage idea, and Glom can double down on poisons. But then you're changing an extra set of abilities.

Very cool post by Enya. I've never really thought about orgs engendering an identity in that sense. I can definitely see where Glomdoring would get that attitude, too. When I played this game originally, back in I think 2003? 2005? In that range. Glom was always getting beaten down, to the point where it started to play on a different axis (instead of trying to win fights or participate in events, we were THE rp org). Kinda came up a bit on its own (some of my favorite memories are a roving squad with Exeryte and Ashteru and Pentu just having fun), then Sojiro/Krellan/Xiel came over and combat became way easier. So there's this sense of 'well if Glom can rise up so can everyone else!'. Though of course there's so much more to it than 'just keep a smile on your face.'

Anaklusmos said:

That is just the tip of it. Bleeding will still kill you by itself because it hits your health - 0 and dead. All the other synergy types are second class primarily because they require a lot of factors to actually result in a kill.

For @Deichtine: dustaffs by themselves will never kill you. Bleed will.

I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

@Kalnid it takes 9 plague affs for a Cacophony to murder someone purely by plague affs, assuming they don't have a health shield. QueensLament in Cacophony, at 2p, does 12% max hp damage per plague aff, though to use it they have to turn off their own plague generation...so awkward.

That is just the tip of it. Bleeding will still kill you by itself because it hits your health: 0 and dead. All the other synergy types are second class primarily because they require a lot of factors to actually result in a kill.

For @Deichtine: dustaffs by themselves will never kill you. Bleed will.