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Re: Game Balance

I personally am very saddened that people just dismiss all the effort and work we have put into pre ascension because there's one skill that may or may not be overpowered ( as I said countless times before, I don't know it enough to judge it ) and apparently because someone in the past did the other side wrong, we need to suffer in hell for it? People, this is a game and we play it with each other. Please stop, this is really making me sad to read. I think I'll take some absence from this thread.

Aeldra

Re: Game Balance

Also, Melech said it earlier, and I think the admin do have plans to address Ascension,

but man do we need to abolish Ascension in its current state. Brings out the worst in people, brings out the most cheesy strats, encourages players to play as dirty as possible to get the best possible outcome: nobody on the other side gets any Seals, ideally, then politic your way into getting your org to be the one with the TA. Lends itself into scorched earth, nobody gets anything but me attitudes. Winner takes all.

Speaking of cheesy strats, anyone who has ever known me knows that I have never, ever approved of rewarding braindead strategy like I saw during this last Ascension. It's a complete farce to me that people think they should be pat on the back for laying on their Wyrdenwood Creeping alias. You should be absolutely ecstatic with Parhelion being ascended, full stop, because in any other game something at the level of ridiculous as Creeping would've been patched a long time ago, and you'd have had to think of something else to try and get your win.

It's just shameful to me that people really thought they'd get away with that, and when they didn't, they decided to qq. That's really the point of my post. If you (general you) want to play the blame game, put it on the people that have left after trying to break combat and spoil the competition and not the admin.

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More constructive comments here:

The only way for Celest/Glomdoring/Hallifax to get out of its slump is to get more players, and then anyone who even shows an inkling of interest in PK, they need to be supported. If you guys want to effect change, there'd better not be any of that defeatist "why bother" crap in IC or even OOC clans, because then those PK oriented people will leave.

Lean on the fact that Hallifax now has one of the most cohesive org synergies in the game, as well as Glomdoring. You guys have the tools, you just need to -use- them. The people that say "oh, non-com activity is what's sustaining me, I've sworn off PK"...they're not wrong, and they're not invalid, but PK is the lifeblood of any org. Looking at POLITICS and POLITICS ASPACE is what gets interest generated in your org. When you have a solid PK base, your non-coms will come into their own as well. But as it stands, the whole thing is really uncomfortable.

So yeah. Option 1 is to trick yourself into being motivated, if only to create the illusion for your newbies.

Option 2 is hope the winning side gets bored and people start qq'ing, and numbers equalize (but at the cost of losing players). From what I've seen, the winning side isn't getting bored. Nor are they showing any sort of self-restraint when it comes to throwing around their larger numbers. And I can't blame them, because if the tables were turned, the culture is that the "other side" would be doing the exact same thing. I remember when Glomdoring was ascendant a few years ago and they just choked the life out of Celest, and then Magnagora. Those wounds have only relatively recently begun to heal.

The onus is on the players to be better towards each other, not for the admin to start drawing artificial boundaries. One day, some day, someone's going to have to be the bigger person and ease off on the utter domination/complete denial of resources tradition, EVEN IF IT CONTRADICTS THEIR RP OR THEIR ORG'S RP, if only to allow the other side to recuperate numbers and morale. I suspect IHC may become the first, given the dire straits the game's in right now (it's never been this bad since I started playing, re: PK participation), but it needs to actually happen. In other words, I don't agree with the "it's unfair to ask the winning side to chill out/send less people/be more merciful" rhetoric. You all know better. Make wise decisions, for the good of the game.

Maligorn

Re: Game Balance

Enough of the back and forth please.

It isn't accomplishing anything. I'm reading things but I'm processing and thinking about things, so I'm likely not going to have many responses at the moment. Lets try to keep it civil.

I've always been a proponent of trying to listen to everyone. It's no different here, you may disagree with opinions being shared, but we don't need to throw around terms like toxic etc. That isn't helping anything.

Orael

Re: Game Balance

Orael said:

Those players that stopped playing have left a void and the players currently playing are having a hard time filling it and trying to step in, which results in frustration on their end?

Does that sum it up?

As someone whos is currently trying to fill the void, it is next to impossible. One thing is time zone is an issue. It is unfair to think anyone can make up the years of experience, arties, and coding that IHC has on SL as well as the raw numbers during American evenings. If we can get 5v6 then IHC will have many reinforcements because IHC has more players that love combat, so they will want to participate when it happens. This is not their issue. I feel the same way, and it is way I made a character on SL.

Orael said:

Basically, my takeaway from the last few pages is that the current situation isn't really because of anything mechanical (though mechanical issues likely exist). It isn't because there is a lack of things to do. It really boils down to two general decisions that we made that caused people to leave.

This is a lack of mechanic issue. When population imbalance happens during a certain time zone, combat is unbalanced. No one wants to be glorified bashing denizens for the other side.

In general, IHC has more combatants that rank their desire for combat high on the reasons they play the game while SL seems to have more that focus on other aspects of the game. There is nothing wrong with this, but the imbalance of combat-focused, heavily artied characters is making combat non-existent at least during the times I can play.

Drastrath

Re: Game Balance

Something caught my eye a few pages ago, and this pertains to the culture of the game overall. Ayisdra was talking about how it's frustrating in flares that Magnagora camps docks and makes it impossible to get orgpoints.

Complete denial of resources is something that worked into the culture more or less beginning at timequake release (to this degree). Some of the people that are directly responsible for instituting this vicious way of playing the game have now quit. People like Snald and Tarken essentially built up this toxic back and forth and now they've left their side high and dry because Ixion got a fancy name change and some extra power weight, and faster domoth speed.

So ridiculous. I know it seems petty to blame the "losers" (not losers at all, see Parhelion), but Glomdoring spent several years pissing off most of the playerbase and now that behavior is coming back to roost.

The worst part being that Glomdoring has a completely different culture and playerbase now. They're being punished for the sins of people that decided to jump ship before they could get their just desserts.

Maligorn

Re: Game Balance

Kaikazu said:

Sapphira said:

My issue with town halls is that they never seem to happen at a time when i can log in (like every competition ever ). At least a static forum allows people to peruse and post in their own time. i guess there is no one simple way to discuss and perhaps a one-off conversation is also not perfect, multiple mediums seems helpful.

As an Australian, I feel this keenly. So many events I never managed to participate in because I wasn't aware of them ahead of time and therefore couldn't be on out of my TZ.
I hesitate to presuppose the Admin have the time and inclination to do it - but if they did, I'd make time as long as the time were announced in advance for me to do so.
Or, yeah. Put a forum link in the PROMOTION ingame text box or something. Drive players from wherever they are to whichever medium would actually function best for this purpose.

Just to second/third this.

The last Town Hall I'm seeing was at 7pm pst on a Monday (23/09/2019)? Which translates to midday on a Tuesday in Sydney for me, 2pm in Auckland, and London would be like 3am. That's a lot of people at work/school/sleeping/etc. Despite issues, the forums are realistically more inclusive for a world-wide player base than a real-time meeting which can exclude people who can't be there and potentially even people present who just don't get the air time to speak.

Personally, surveys can work well.
They're not time-dependent, you can get some responses to targetted questions, have some space for people to write out walls of text, etc. Stuff isn't being posted for others to pick at, people can just say what they're feeling. The only thing is that it'd probably need a field for registration email to compare and ensure it's one response per registration unless it's somehow created in-game. But people also can't really respond to points other people are making which can be good and bad.

Saran

Re: Game Balance

Vexacion

Re: Game Balance

After removing my rather lengthy post I was going to write, I wanted to point out that it's very hard to contribute to this community on this forum because people's tempers flare too easily and I kind of don't feel like I can openly state my personal opinion without garnering a lot of backlash. This is nothing new to this thread, just general observation of how this community has been since I know it.

I wanted however say, that I hope we can find a way foward together, as one playerbase in the hope that we might come to something where conflict is fun to participate in again.

Aeldra

Re: Game Balance

My issue with town halls is that they never seem to happen at a time when i can log in (like every competition ever

). At least a static forum allows people to peruse and post in their own time. i guess there is no one simple way to discuss and perhaps a one-off conversation is also not perfect, multiple mediums seems helpful.

Sapphira

Re: Game Balance

Sapphira said:

My issue with town halls is that they never seem to happen at a time when i can log in (like every competition ever ). At least a static forum allows people to peruse and post in their own time. i guess there is no one simple way to discuss and perhaps a one-off conversation is also not perfect, multiple mediums seems helpful.

As an Australian, I feel this keenly. So many events I never managed to participate in because I wasn't aware of them ahead of time and therefore couldn't be on out of my TZ.

I hesitate to presuppose the Admin have the time and inclination to do it - but if they did, I'd make time as long as the time were announced in advance for me to do so.

Or, yeah. Put a forum link in the PROMOTION ingame text box or something. Drive players from wherever they are to whichever medium would actually function best for this purpose.

Kaikazu