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Re: QUOTES 8: THE QUOTING
Oracular Elexia Myeras-Silvermoon says, "Alas, I am too stunned! Ethilwen, you are far too ready for me!"
Coraline
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Re: Lusternian picrews!
Wings are obviously tucked behind her, folded down. Without antlers, though, can she truly be called Lief?
Lief
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Oh wow - I didn't know that first point has happened in the past.Xenthos said:I think it is a fair point to say that the competition did not involve $ (that I know of, at least). This has not always been the case. Final Ascension challenges in the past actually have had seal holders requesting significant Paypal donations for support- personally this feels extremely metagamey, but perhaps the mere fact that it has happened helps you understand how invested players are / think others are in the outcome.Beyond that, though, a competition does not need to involve money to be treated as a competition. There is the prestige involved in gaining something that is a "limited-time offer," for example.A question for you at this point: if Ixion was raised TA, but something else minor was done to acknowledge Choros' win in addition to that, would that offend you? Would you be as demoralized as you say you were after the event ended?
For your question, I 100% would not be offended if something minor was done to acknowledge Choros/Parhelion being the real victor because that is what happened. If he got a special honors line, a special item, a special typecast - I'm not sure what else might be minor but still be recognition, but I would not only be okay with that - I would be happy about it.
Lief
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
It's been three days... why are we still continuing to make this such a big deal? Just drop it and move on. There are more important things to concern yourself with than this. Like you know... how we could possibly change Ascension to make it a bit better in the long run so this entire 'I hate you, so I'm going to do everything I can to stop you from Ascending' stuff can just not be a thing. Just... sheesh. It's sad that this has to come from a guy who barely knows anything about the game itself.
Edit: I'm just going to stop. This needs entire thread just needs to die down.
Edit: I'm just going to stop. This needs entire thread just needs to die down.
Zelroth
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
I think it is a fair point to say that the competition did not involve $ (that I know of, at least). This has not always been the case. Final Ascension challenges in the past actually have had seal holders requesting significant Paypal donations for support- personally this feels extremely metagamey, but perhaps the mere fact that it has happened helps you understand how invested players are / think others are in the outcome.
Beyond that, though, a competition does not need to involve money to be treated as a competition. There is the prestige involved in gaining something that is a "limited-time offer," for example.
A question for you at this point: if Ixion was raised TA, but something else minor was done to acknowledge Choros' win in addition to that, would that offend you? Would you be as demoralized as you say you were after the event ended?
Xenthos
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
Since voiding the outcome was a possibility for the event, the administration needed to cancel it before it was resolved, the earlier the better. Undoing the results of a competition simply isn't done unless there is cheating by one of the involved parties. The irony is not lost on me.
If the admin's position is that it will be better for the game in the long run, and less people will quit/retire/be bitter, I get it. But please don't try to act as if it's fair. What would have been fair would have been to cancel the event, but since it couldn't be done after the fact, the next best thing was to try to compensate both sides of the competition. The problem is you forgot to compensate my former alliance. Oreal's position, as I understand it, is that ascending Choros is the compensation, but he doesn't seem to realize that Choros' ascension is only a compensation if he is nullifying the fact that Choros won the ascension event.
So by my understanding, winning the event was made impossible by active admin intervention, something completely out of the hands of anyone within our alliance. Can you see why this is not well received?
I don't even know why I'm posting here. Old habits die hard I guess. I'll try to have this be my last post.
Enjoy the aftershock ascension events. I know the admin bust their asses to make this game work, I know they're trying their honest best to make amends. There is absolutely no question that there is no malign intent or bias from Aonia, Oreal, or any of the other Godmin. I just think they've made a series of mistakes here that we as the aggrieved parties are failing to properly convey.
If the admin's position is that it will be better for the game in the long run, and less people will quit/retire/be bitter, I get it. But please don't try to act as if it's fair. What would have been fair would have been to cancel the event, but since it couldn't be done after the fact, the next best thing was to try to compensate both sides of the competition. The problem is you forgot to compensate my former alliance. Oreal's position, as I understand it, is that ascending Choros is the compensation, but he doesn't seem to realize that Choros' ascension is only a compensation if he is nullifying the fact that Choros won the ascension event.
So by my understanding, winning the event was made impossible by active admin intervention, something completely out of the hands of anyone within our alliance. Can you see why this is not well received?
I don't even know why I'm posting here. Old habits die hard I guess. I'll try to have this be my last post.
Enjoy the aftershock ascension events. I know the admin bust their asses to make this game work, I know they're trying their honest best to make amends. There is absolutely no question that there is no malign intent or bias from Aonia, Oreal, or any of the other Godmin. I just think they've made a series of mistakes here that we as the aggrieved parties are failing to properly convey.
Ciaran
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
@Orael said
Parhelion and Glom/Celest/Halli ended up the first to 3600, but we don't know if that was because of lag or if it was because they earned it
Parhelion and Glom/Celest/Halli ended up the first to 3600, but we don't know if that was because of lag or if it was because they earned it
I think that this is the part that is making so many in Glom/Celest/Halli angry and dejected. People feel like they put in the work and won. People feel like they earned it. It's very disheartening for the admin to actually come out and say, "No, we don't know that you earned it" and modify the outcome of ascension as a result. This is, in fact, what people are unhappy about.
It was a win, by the rules of ascension. Would people have preferred a lag-free win? Sure. But it's not great when the administration comes out and says, "Hey, you won by the rules but that's not enough for us to think you actually earned it."
Edit: Ixion's ascension feels pretty set in stone to me at this point from what the admin are saying, but I encourage admin to take into account the feelings I described above. It's possible to give Ixion and people who support him the benefits that would make them happier, while respecting the feelings of the players who won by the rules as they were laid out ahead of time, and who feel like that should be acknowledged.
Aramel
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Re: Announce Post #3061: Ascension Postmortem
I hear you, and for the record I think you've been an incredibly gracious winner.Parhelion said:I would really prefer not to be given anything extra, thanks. I'm not interested in being that ascendant who got a bonus because his opponent was so close, and I dont want to be the guy people point at next year and say, "He got this, why dont I get it?!?!?!"
But consider Terentia or someone else giving Parhelion some kind of cool and unique token because of this. :x
(I'm kidding. Kinda. Your wishes should 100% be respected though.)
Lief
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Gettin ready to taste some peep chili
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