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Re: Upcoming Economy Rework and Goals
If you take any lesson away from Stardew Valley, it should be utility balance in commodity design. Fiber is an excellent example of this - don't need it for much other than a few scarecrows early game, and it can be tempting to sell it off for early profit even though it's just 1G per. But come mid-late game, depending on your set up, you might not be able to get enough fiber: especially if you want to fish a lot and build worm bins or wild bait.
If our current commodities are too inflexible to balance out in this way, then maybe reimagining them really is the best route. We don't really need all these varieties of cooking comms when the majority of them are just used for food and aetherpotions (and aetherpotions are mostly just fruit as is, which is deeply annoying with how heavy reliance is on fruit anyways). Just consolidate it all into a blanket food comm or animal/plant based food comms. And do we really need a pair of villages dedicated to specialising in rope (hemp)? Like it can be kind of thematically cute, but if villages are going to be such a heavy influence on commodities then it seems silly to put emphasis on one with few practical applications outside of hammocks and hunting/trapping. Rope's only started to get used up due to refining, and even then it was because it was so plentiful and dirt cheap compared to other textile alternatives.
If our current commodities are too inflexible to balance out in this way, then maybe reimagining them really is the best route. We don't really need all these varieties of cooking comms when the majority of them are just used for food and aetherpotions (and aetherpotions are mostly just fruit as is, which is deeply annoying with how heavy reliance is on fruit anyways). Just consolidate it all into a blanket food comm or animal/plant based food comms. And do we really need a pair of villages dedicated to specialising in rope (hemp)? Like it can be kind of thematically cute, but if villages are going to be such a heavy influence on commodities then it seems silly to put emphasis on one with few practical applications outside of hammocks and hunting/trapping. Rope's only started to get used up due to refining, and even then it was because it was so plentiful and dirt cheap compared to other textile alternatives.
Jolanthe
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Re: QUOTES 8: THE QUOTING
A gem I'd forgotten I'd saved from our last meeting:
(Freedom Council): Mboagn (from the Aetherways) says, "We do so much work when we're all awake together."
(Freedom Council): Mboagn (from the Aetherways) says, "Let's not do this again."
(Freedom Council): Mboagn (from the Aetherways) says, "We do so much work when we're all awake together."
(Freedom Council): Mboagn (from the Aetherways) says, "Let's not do this again."
Eritheyl
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Re: Looking for a Spouse
Good thing there’s an even better forestIsser said:We cannot leave. We are tied to the forest.
Re: Small(er) scale pvp
Make it seasons. Length of season up to admins. 3 RL months seems good to me, get you four seasons a year. The winner of each season could maybe have a special tourney at the end. Who knows.Luce said:To post to people willing to listen, I'm going to be on the record as vehemently opposed to any solution that boils down to "Winner takes all, loser pisses off" because we have a lot of those already, and they tend to create feedback loops where the only way to win is to have won already.If there's a wargames style system in place where match winners earn points, it should probably reset periodically and award a scaling reward to everyone based on their ranking at the time of reset so that even participating and losing still means that you get SOME progress toward being mechanically relevant. If it's something like Grimkeep or an Endzone area, then record breaks cannot be the only repeatable source of credit rewards since credit rewards are really the only reward that matters for anyone going for a record, and the biggest way to get closer to being relevant for record runs is to get more credits (and making it repeatable instead of directly tied to dailycredits offsets the vast difficulty gulf between 20 dc worth of other quests (or even just a regular EZ run) and a record attempt).Basically, an ideal system would allow for fail-forwards where you get something for trying, otherwise there's no incentive to try against overwhelming odds.
I see a system where the top 3 teams get rewards, could be credits to keep it simple but I was thinking buffs to non-combat activities, like say a crit bonus or something, that lasts until the end of the next season. Maybe partaking in official match fills your daily credits for the weave. But important to keep the rewards as personal as possible so as to encourage cross org participants.
And then the glory of combat!!!!! I can already see Maggie posting propaganda about their favorite team.
Also the team's should have names.
Synl
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Re: Small(er) scale pvp
I've mentioned it before, but here it is:
1. A coded way to form a team of 3 members. This can be cross org, and your team lasts for the length of a season.
2. Time slots your team can sign up for to fight other teams. Failure to show up results in a loss. At the end of the season, you are required to have fought x number of other teams.
3. The benefits for winning a season only affect members of the team, ie. no org loyalty here.
Not fleshed out with all the deets, but the idea is essentially to have Wargames as a regular combat tournament. And the key is to make it cross-org, and benefit only the members of the team, so as to encourage the best players playing with and against each other. Then you get side-benefits like allowing fan posters, chants etc of the teams.
1. A coded way to form a team of 3 members. This can be cross org, and your team lasts for the length of a season.
2. Time slots your team can sign up for to fight other teams. Failure to show up results in a loss. At the end of the season, you are required to have fought x number of other teams.
3. The benefits for winning a season only affect members of the team, ie. no org loyalty here.
Not fleshed out with all the deets, but the idea is essentially to have Wargames as a regular combat tournament. And the key is to make it cross-org, and benefit only the members of the team, so as to encourage the best players playing with and against each other. Then you get side-benefits like allowing fan posters, chants etc of the teams.
Synl
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Re: Looking for a Spouse
Selenity is looking for a spouse! If interested, please message me here on the forums!
About Selenity
She's aderpable, friendly, and has lots of toys she doesn't mind sharing. Selenity is friends with people outside of her alliance, so if you sneer at such a thing, maybe not the best idea to pursue her (however, I welcome the RP of you trying to get her to stop). She is willing to leave the Sweetpaw name behind, though she is rather fond of it.
Activity: Every 1 to 3 days, before 1 PM EST
RP: Heavy
Preferences: Men or Non-Binary, but the right woman could steal her heart with a lot of effort
Personality: Gentle, soft, warm, quick to love, slow to dislike (of which only one person does she currently dislike), protective of her friends
Selenity
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Re: Small(er) scale pvp
Orael said:I'm not interested in making this a thread about Grimkeep and whatever failings you think are there. So I'm ignoring those points to stick to the topic at hand. I'm not opposed to addressing it, just not here.This is the problem, as you said. the three G's skill and artifact level out match the others. So either you help them get even better (ie, they get more rewards which they use to better themselves) or you don't and hope they stay at the same tier. I'm not sure how you would do it, but elo ranking might help a lot if you could evenly make it so the three Gs would only fight people of their skill level (and thus their rewards would only be increasing when fighting people that have a chance to beat them.)Orael said:Okay - but this goes back to my main concern.
Bob, Bobby and Robert see Greg, Gregory and Grog signed up for a tournament - they know they cannot beat the three G's so they just don't bother to sign up because it's not appealing to be handing the Three G's more rewards. Either that or they only fight against teams on their side to increase their own rewards but not others.
I'm interested in a system that people will engage in and use. The only other thing I've considered is that people will sign up, but the teams end up being randomized and anonymous somehow. Could have a system where people can pick and choose a class for that specific event and things reverse back, but by being anonymous, you ideally don't know who you are playing with or against. I'm sure some people will figure out through things like Discord etc but it's the best I got.
I'm confused by what you are saying here. That's what I'm asking - what can I do to encourage people to try that 1) doesn't involve punishing the teams that did invest and have put in the effort to learn and 2) Makes it appealing to someone to attempt even if they lose and the 'other' side gets the rewards.
I straight up don't think we have enough people to implement any kind of ELO system.
At the end of the day, the winners should have the best rewards (to encourage you to try to win) and we can have other rewards and everything but it doesn't make any sense not to reward the winners the most. Like I don't know what other options there are.
I'm not sure you can do something that fills both 1 and 2 as long as there is such a large numbers imbalance between sides. I'm not sure you can do something about 1 short of disabling of select artifacts within timequakes to make things more even.
Doing something for 2 could be possible if numbers were evened. Speaking from personal experience, being nearly perma stunned/proned (because of all of the 'do nothing' affs (stun, prone, entangle, aeon) stacking and being separate) while only having less than a second window to escape is no fun and not appealing. While it seems this game operates heavily on these factions of a second windows, I personally would rather see much more reaction time for things than having to relay on triggers/system or else I die. I'm not saying that systems and timing things shouldn't be a thing, but as a much more casual pvp, I shouldn't punished because I don't time things down to milliseconds.
Ayisdra
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