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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

None of these things are in any way exclusive or limited. A significant number of Shadowlight have these various artifacts, not everyone in IHC has these artifacts.

What I'm saying is, this isn't an excuse for not trying/asking for things to just be made easier seemingly for just one side or harder for the other.

Next?

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Luxurio said:

Is anyone ever going to tell us why things are lopsided? Other than talking about artifacts because lol no.

Yes, artifacts are a huge impact. Level 3 vitality, level 3 regeneration runes, damage buffs against mobs, damage resistances, wondersaddles, increase exp gains to give more perks that give more regen/dmg/resistances. To claim otherwise is ignorant. Why do you always poke the bear

Silvanus

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Is anyone ever going to tell us why things are lopsided? Other than talking about artifacts because lol no.

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Ayisdra said:

When some of IHC getting 1000+ credits (record rewards easily hit 300-500cr before the record was broken by an IHC group, and they did it a few times) that's huge. When there is -zero- chance at shadowlight even coming close to be able to get those credits and any try we just makes it higher, there is a problem with the system.

You just admitted you weren't trying?

I don't know why you're pretending to be in this massively disadvantaged position. What real advantage/disadvantage is there?

You've been invited to IHC grimkeeps personally, so this complaint is especially confusing coming from you. What would your proposed solution be? Remove the rewards? Spite. Give your side rewards for not putting as much effort/achieving the same result as the other side? Ascension.

There's no problem here that isn't you just not putting any effort at all in, and there's no solution which isn't something you'd whine about and probably cut your thread over if it was given to the other side.

I'm fully in favour of most of these solutions that include more rewards, because I'm not spiteful, I'm just calling you a hypocrite.

I wouldn't want to be liked by most of Glomdoring when you act like this and have Remilia.

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Luxurio said:

Ayisdra said:

Orael said:

There's already a big issue with people not participating in something because they feel like it benefits the 'other' side so they'd rather not engage at all than do anything that could help them (This obviously ignores that by not participating, the other side reaps all the rewards anyway).

It is largely that the rewards may be so great that one side can't even have a chance at winning them because of imbalance. Take old grimkeep rewards (as I know this was said about those, and its not really PvP). No one on shadowlight could possibly have get close to the top time yet every try increased rewards. Would you take part in something, knowing no matter what(just look at how many of the top runs are still 90%+ IHC people), you basically were giving a handful of people 5 credits each time you tried? I'm not sure about you, but that built up quickly and I'm not really wanting to give IC enemies high hundreds of credits.

This is just spite. Pure spite. You're denying yourself Grimkeep's essence and daily credit rewards because you don't want a group of other players some credits?

Again with the IC thing. There is absolutely nothing that is IC about that decision.

Try harder.

When some of IHC getting 1000+ credits (record rewards easily hit 300-500cr before the record was broken by an IHC group, and they did it a few times) that's huge. When there is -zero- chance at shadowlight even coming close to be able to get those credits and any try we just makes it higher, there is a problem with the system.

Ayisdra

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Sheesh... moving on.

I think the best solution is to adjust existing systems to fit into new designs. Like change timequakes or domoths to have limited amount of people involved that change the rewards. For Domoths, it could be 3 people at sceptre, 5 at orb and 10 at crown. Perhaps for timequakes, the more people in the timequake the slower the anomaly generates or perhaps the slower they capture it?

Timequakes are a great addition, but I think the limited amount of research options plus the silly upkeep of an already limited resource means a lot of archpower goes unused and it isn't worth fighting over sometimes. The idea of a limited win from a timequake where you can still take 2 out of the 8 anomalies and it be meaningful would be nice. But the research and fight isn't worth it.

Silvanus

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Orael said:

There's already a big issue with people not participating in something because they feel like it benefits the 'other' side so they'd rather not engage at all than do anything that could help them (This obviously ignores that by not participating, the other side reaps all the rewards anyway).

You've been given the explanation time and time and time again (and once again in this thread by Ayisdra), yet you keep insisting that it's this cut and dry. It does not come across well and makes it seem as if you're not bothering to listen. The situation you're referencing was very specific. You designed and implemented a system that rewarded top performers in a massively lopsided game.

You could just as easily do the opposite - give the higher rewards to the people who show the greatest improvement or try against the odds (this was even suggested to you in the specific case you're referencing, though it was declined). Design a system intended to reward trying vs. winning (which would be a drastic departure from Lusternia's general Winner Take All system, but might be a breath of fresh air for that).

Xenthos

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

A system that rewards those going against the odds is not going to be a system that rewards Shadowlight, I'm very sorry to say.

And forgive me for asking, but who was it that spoke the loudest against Ixion being given a "participation trophy" prize, Xenthos? Which commune had a collective tantrum about that whole situation? Why is it that you're in this situation right now?

I'm still not seeing any way in which things are lopsided, please explain?

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

You're clearly not looking.

And we're in this situation right now because the administration chose to address the situation in a manner that was not even-handed, which they have acknowledged. See: You're clearly not looking.

Xenthos

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