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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

You're clearly not looking.

And we're in this situation right now because the administration chose to address the situation in a manner that was not even-handed, which they have acknowledged. See: You're clearly not looking.

Xenthos

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We're in this situation because the admin chose to do something that you are now advocating for but were advocating against previously?

So, you disagree with the prior action of giving out "participation prizes", but now you want them to give out participation prizes, which you see as the reason four people retired?

And you want them to do this again?

Is your hope that a number of IHC will retire like Shadowlight did?

Or is there something else you want to tell us?

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

If you can't see a difference between "Completely undermine the biggest competition in the game and turn it into a punchline" vs. "design systems that encourage more activity and reward people for showing up," then I'm afraid I can't help you. I think this thread is a pretty good indication that other people are able to see the benefit of encouraging participation in day-to-day activities, though, even if you are not.

Xenthos

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

I don't know if there's a university handing out PhDs in doublethink but you could instruct every single one simultaneously.

A system that rewards those against the odds would be very welcomed, most of us just want everyone else to be happy, I'm just warning you now that you're not going to be happy if a system that rewards the underdog or those who try the hardest is implemented.

That's assuming your idea is more complex than just "Give Shadowlight specifically more rewards because we say we're so disadvantaged" and doesn't rely on actual mechanics or is in any way based in reality.

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Luxurio said:

I don't know if there's a university handing out PhDs in doublethink but you could instruct every single one simultaneously.

A system that rewards those against the odds would be very welcomed, most of us just want everyone else to be happy, I'm just warning you now that you're not going to be happy if a system that rewards the underdog or those who try the hardest is implemented.

That's assuming your idea is more complex than just "Give Shadowlight specifically more rewards because we say we're so disadvantaged" and doesn't rely on actual mechanics or is in any way based in reality.

Given that I've been advocating for changes for a very long time now, I think I'll be just fine, but thank you for your concern! I've given plenty of mechanical suggestions to Orael - I'm more on the detail end of things personally, so reality-based is definitely where I tend to start. I do understand that isn't the same for everyone, though, and that's okay.

Xenthos

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Luxurio said:

He did seem very receptive to your input the last conversation I saw between you two.

I have noticed some hit-and-miss in this regard myself. Still, I think it's important to present options.

Xenthos

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Girls, girls, you're both pretty - shut up.

i believe an issue with combat rankings is that -losing- costs a good deal of family honour, thus making it not worth the risk.

Reward for winning/competing is great, so long as there's no real downside to losing. TQs for example see the most people willing to try against odds because even though you may not get the anomalies, the only thing you lose by dying is your defs, you don't even lose XP. Something that considers that would probably get used more. Maybe.

Sapphira

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

Ayisdra said:

Orael said:

There's already a big issue with people not participating in something because they feel like it benefits the 'other' side so they'd rather not engage at all than do anything that could help them (This obviously ignores that by not participating, the other side reaps all the rewards anyway).

It is largely that the rewards may be so great that one side can't even have a chance at winning them because of imbalance. Take old grimkeep rewards (as I know this was said about those, and its not really PvP). No one on shadowlight could possibly have get close to the top time yet every try increased rewards. Would you take part in something, knowing no matter what(just look at how many of the top runs are still 90%+ IHC people), you basically were giving a handful of people 5 credits each time you tried? I'm not sure about you, but that built up quickly and I'm not really wanting to give IC enemies high hundreds of credits.

This is just spite. Pure spite. You're denying yourself Grimkeep's essence and daily credit rewards because you don't want a group of other players some credits?

Again with the IC thing. There is absolutely nothing that is IC about that decision.

Try harder.

Luxurio

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Re: Small(er) scale pvp

He did seem very receptive to your input the last conversation I saw between you two. /s

Though seriously, maybe if you did just try harder you'd have more success. Your tactics at the minute are:
Aeldra - Judge spam
Azula - Judge spam
Caliohaliowaligui - Decapitation Spam
Aevum - Break legs/Deathsong
Kreon - Break legs
Filliqilliwuwa - Echoes
Qilliwallirugwat - Aeonfield
Faragan - Deathsong
Xedrik - Deathsong

It's pretty lazy... Step it up and you'll win a bit.

Luxurio

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