Tailoring Layers Information

LeradLerad Member Posts: 2,405 Transcendent
edited August 2015 in World Library
Alright, I remember that when I was a newbie I was first awed, then delighted, then disappointed, frustrated and finally pissed off at the Lusternian clothing system, because of how unintuitive and how irritating it can be. I would buy two pieces of clothing that I thought I could wear, then realize I could only wear one, and I could never find out exactly why, beyond that it was just something about the layers and bodyparts they were worn on. I've never found a detailed help scroll anywhere, player made or otherwise, that resolved the mystery for me, and I eventually gave up on it, just buying combat essentials and leaving it behind me. I recently became a trademaster, and finally have access to the patterns command, so I decided to sit down and document exactly how layering works. I think I've got everything figured out with my testing, but just as a disclaimer, it's possible I may have missed out stuff or gotten things wrong anyway. I'm here to share what I've found out, and I hope it'll be useful for those people (especially newbies) who want to properly plan out their wardrobe.

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First, some facts about tailoring.
  • Tailoring has 51 different "patterns" (listed below).
  • Tailoring uses the Lusternian bodypart system. This diagram shows all the possible bodyparts. Other tradeskills use this system too - for example: tattoos. This allows them to do some nifty stuff, like making it so that if you wear clothing on a bodypart that also has a tattoo, the tattoo will be hidden etc. Note that there is no clothing that uses the fingers and wrist bodyparts.
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  • Clothing can be worn on four different layers.
  1. - UNDERWEAR
  2. - NORMAL
  3. - OVERWEAR
  4. - ACCESSORY
  • You cannot wear/remove a clothing from a layer if you're wearing something in a layer that covers it.
  • Underwear goes below normal which goes below overwear. Accessory layer is seperate and can be worn/removed at any time regardless of everything else.
  • Curio items don't interfere with any of the layering, and you can wear as many curios as you want.
  • ACCESSORY slots are unlimited - you can wear as many belts, packs, pouches, stoles or whatever else as you want. (Note: I only tested up to 5, not sure if there actually is a limit at 10 etc)
  • OVERWEAR NECK has TWO slots. Ie. you can wear 2 cloaks, or 2 capes or 2 scarves, or 1 cape and 1 cloak, or 1 scarf and 1 cloak etc etc. There is no clothing that uses normal/underwear neck layer.
  • All other bodyparts have 1 slot per layer. If two pieces of clothing have conflicting bodyparts, they cannot be worn together. For example, a bodice (UNDERWEAR - chest, waist) cannot be worn with a corset (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut) because they both use the chest bodypart.
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HATS
- Hat (NORMAL - head)
- Turban (NORMAL - head)

SHIRTS
- Shirt (NORMAL - chest, gut, back)
- Blouse (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, back)

TUNICS
- Tunic (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, back)

PANTS
- Trousers (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Kilt (NORMAL - legs, waist)

DRESSES
- Dress (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back, waist)
- Longskirt (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Shortskirt (NORMAL - legs, waist)
- Toga (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back)
- Sari (NORMAL - chest, gut, legs, back, waist)

SHOES
- Shoes (NORMAL - ankles, feet, toes)
- Sandals (NORMAL - feet)
- Boots (NORMAL - ankles, feet, toes)
- Slippers (OVERWEAR - ankles, feet, toes)

(Yes, this means you can wear slippers over your boots, and can't remove your boots until you remove your slippers first.)

UNDERWEAR
- Panties (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Boxers (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Socks (UNDERWEAR - feet)
- Loincloth (UNDERWEAR - waist)
- Slip (UNDERWEAR - legs, waist)
- Petticoat (UNDERWEAR - legs, waist)

LINGERIE
- Bra (UNDERWEAR - chest)
- Corset (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut)
- Bodice (UNDERWEAR - chest, waist)
- Stockings (UNDERWEAR - legs, ankles, feet, toes)
- Chemise (UNDERWEAR - chest, legs, waist)

COATS
- Coat (OVERWEAR - chest, gut, arms, back, waist)
- Cloak (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Cape (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Tabard (OVERWEAR - chest, gut, arms, back)

ACCESSORIES
- Backpack (ACCESSORY - back)
- Belt (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Bag (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Apron (OVERWEAR - gut, waist)
- Veil (ACCESORY - head, face)
- Mask (OVERWEAR - face)
- Vest (UNDERWEAR - chest, gut)
- Gloves (NORMAL - hands)
- Scarf (OVERWEAR - neck)
- Shawl (ACCESSORY - arms)
- Blanket (ACCESSORY - back)
- Satchel (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Pouch (ACCESSORY - waist)
- Stole (ACCESSORY - neck)
- Fascinator (? - ?)
- Headpiece (ACCESSORY - head)

HIGHFASHION
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, ankles, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)

GREATROBES
- Robes (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, waist)
- Hat (NORMAL - head)

SPLENDOUR
- Robes (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Suit (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, back, waist)
- Gown (NORMAL - chest, gut, arms, legs, waist)
- Hat (NORMAL - head)

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Comments

  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 8,210 Transcendent
    A vest is an accessory? :/
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  • LavinyaLavinya Queen of Snark AustraliaMember Posts: 3,479 Transcendent
    Shaddus said:
    A vest is an accessory? :/
    An underwear accessory at that?



  • LeradLerad Member Posts: 2,405 Transcendent
    You carefully study a tailoring pattern.
    Item: Vest  Type: Accessories  Org: Public
    Commodities: silk 8 sapphire 4
    Mortal Reviews: Allowed
    Layer: UNDERWEAR Bodyparts: chest, gut
    IMPORTANT: The main noun MUST use one of these: VEST
    Appearance:
    an ornamental vest of rich brocade silk
    Dropped:
    Shining in the available light, a fancy vest has been left behind here.
    Examined:
    Constructed chiefly of a thick, sturdy white silk, this vest is
    stiffened and supported by the layer of golden silk, which lines it.
    Golden designs following abstract, flowing lines have been embroidered
    across its surface, punctuated here and there by the glistening sparkle
    of a sapphire.
    Comments:

  • LavinyaLavinya Queen of Snark AustraliaMember Posts: 3,479 Transcendent
    I believed you. I just find it incredibly bizarre.



  • IeptixIeptix Member, Moderator, Gods Posts: 819 Divine
    Why wouldn't socks and sandals be a valid combination?
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  • ZouviqilZouviqil Queen of Uberjerkiness Member Posts: 975 Transcendent
    Gotta stack 'em all:

    Bra
    Panties
    Socks

    Skirt
    Blouse
    Hat
    Sandals

    Coat
    Cloak
    Slippers

    Then comes accessory stacking. At this point, we're at 10 items. How many accessories can you stack?
  • MarcellaMarcella Member Posts: 1,231 Transcendent
    INFINITE ACCESSORIES. YOu can wear over 100 brooches if you want to.
  • RialormRialorm Member Posts: 1,055 Transcendent
    How does it make sense you can wear both sandals and slippers? o.o
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  • LavinyaLavinya Queen of Snark AustraliaMember Posts: 3,479 Transcendent
    What's really bizarre was being unable to wear a pin unless I was practically naked. Especially when it was a hair pin. >_>



  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 8,210 Transcendent
    Obviously you just need to be naked more.
    Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 6,969 Transcendent
    edited February 2014
    They accepted an Envoy report ages ago to rework clothing layers to actually make more sense...

    ... and then never did it.

    I really wish that they would.  There are things like coat / cloak / tabard that I can wear, but I have to do it in exactly the right order, and when I do it I can't rub my bracelet for the enchantment on it.  Oh, and then I have to take them off in the right order too in order to get at that bracelet.
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  • KarlachKarlach God of Kittens. Member Posts: 3,869 Transcendent
    Rialorm said:
    How does it make sense you can wear both sandals and slippers? o.o
    Same way I wear 2 helms, a circlet and a crown.

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  • LeradLerad Member Posts: 2,405 Transcendent
    Artifacts obviously don't use the same clothing layers. >.>

    Also, jewelry layers work in a way I haven't figured out yet - I'm not a jeweller so I'm not going to find out anytime soon either. I used to think gloves blocked rubbing rings, but I tried that and that wasn't the case. I think they might have changed that some time ago, maybe?

  • ElanorwenElanorwen The White Falconess Member Posts: 2,927 Transcendent
    What, you haven't mentioned garter belts? xD

    Mind you, there was a set I ran into that was at the OVERWEAR layer, I think. So your garter belt is showing over your robes, for instance.... not exactly stylish.
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  • LeradLerad Member Posts: 2,405 Transcendent
    Garter belts are under the belt accessory, which are on the accessory layer, which is seperate and unlimited, so you'll always see them in your description.

  • ElanorwenElanorwen The White Falconess Member Posts: 2,927 Transcendent
    Lerad said:
    Garter belts are under the belt accessory, which are on the accessory layer, which is seperate and unlimited, so you'll always see them in your description.
    We need separate versions of such, then. To me, they shouldn't be visible... unless, of course, you want them to and remove the top layers/wear something that shows them.
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  • MunsiaMunsia The Supreme Goddess Member Posts: 1,374 Transcendent
    edited February 2014
    You need to add that Great Robes and Splendours are also covering 'head'. If you raise hood it becomes head covered. Such as if you wear a crown, you can't remove your robes until you remove the hood/crown


  • MoiMoi Member Posts: 1,213 Transcendent
    edited February 2014
    Jewelry is complicated! And recently changed due to tattoos. Please double-check in game before correcting things on this list, as past experiences may no longer be valid! Jewelry items come in three types:

    Wielded:
    Wands - not worn, needs to be wielded to be rubbed.
    Needles - not worn, needs to be wielded to do piercings.

    Clothing-like:
    Rings - 10 accessory finger slots, enchantable
    Bracelets - 2 accessory wrist slots, enchantable
    Necklace - 1? neck slot, enchantable
    Tiara - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
    Crown - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
    Brooch - Accessory, enchantable
    Chain - Accessory
    Anklet - Ankle Underwear
    Circlet - 1? head/face? slot, enchantable
    Choker - 1? neck slot
    Armband - 2 accessory wrist slots, enchantable.
    Pendant - 1? neck slot, focus enchantable
    Beads - Accessory, focus enchantable
    Collar - Unknown number of neck slot(s)
    Pin - Accessory, focus enchantable

    Piercings:
    Hoop - see below
    Stud - see below
    Earring - see below

    All piercings (of any type) go in one of the special piercing slots. They are:

    left eyebrow
    right eyebrow
    left nostril
    right nostril
    septum
    upper lip
    lower lip
    tongue
    labret
    5 left ear slots
    5 right ear slots
    left nipple
    right nipple
    navel

    which are covered (ie hides the piercings and prevents wearing/removing them) by the tailoring slots as follows:

    FACE covers both eyebrows, both nostrils, septum, both lips, all ears, tongue and labret.
    CHEST covers both nipples.
    GUT covers the navel.

    This happens regardless of layer - underwear covers just as well as normal or overwear. It also leads to weirdness like a mask covering up your earrings, slips not covering nipple piercings, and bodices showing off your navel.

    However, piercings are subject to a long-standing bug: If the inventory order (as shown on II) of an article of clothing is higher than that of the jewelry you're attempting to wear, then all piercings covered by that tailoring slot beyond the first are blocked with an improper "You find it difficult to put on <stud> while wearing <clothing>." message. This occurs even if the clothing item isn't worn and is just sitting in your inventory. Example: If your II screen looks like:

    "stud1234" the first stud
    "stud5678" the second stud
    "mask9012" a silly mask
    "stud3456" the third stud
    "stud7890" the fourth stud

    then WEAR 1234 LEFT EAR followed by WEAR 5678 RIGHT EAR wears the first stud, but gives an error for the second, and WEAR 3456 LEFT EAR followed by WEAR 7890 RIGHT EAR works correctly. A similar issue occurs with nipples and chest coverings. This can be 'fixed' by dropping all your studs and picking them back up again.
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  • KaalakKaalak Member Posts: 515 Fabled
    Extremely useful thread by the way. Thank you.
  • DaraiusDaraius Shevat The juror's taco spotMember Posts: 4,777 Transcendent
    Don't think I knew nipple piercings were a thing in Lusternia. :|
    I used to make cakes.

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  • MunsiaMunsia The Supreme Goddess Member Posts: 1,374 Transcendent
    Totally use to be. Some of us wanted other peircings. 
  • MoiMoi Member Posts: 1,213 Transcendent
    Yep. They've been in the game for ages and ages.
  • DaraiusDaraius Shevat The juror's taco spotMember Posts: 4,777 Transcendent
    Seeking jeweler.
    I used to make cakes.

    Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 6,969 Transcendent
    Wait, I thought you didn't like people touching you?

    (I also was about to say, "I'm a jeweller" and then I scrolled back for context.)
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  • DaraiusDaraius Shevat The juror's taco spotMember Posts: 4,777 Transcendent
    Just imagining Daraius getting nipple piercings. It's too much I can't even.

    (P.S. I would love it if this information was easily accessible in-game! Thanks for the breakdowns, @Lerad and @Iytha!)
    I used to make cakes.

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  • MunsiaMunsia The Supreme Goddess Member Posts: 1,374 Transcendent
    Type piercings, Daraius...
  • EnyalidaEnyalida Nasty Woman, Sockpuppeteer to the Gods Member Posts: 4,386 Transcendent
    "If a particular part is not pierced, it will not be displayed in the listing."

    Nope!
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