Innocence and Guards

Xenthos

It used to be that guards were able to kill through innocence.  This allowed organizations to keep problem-novices from being too much of a nuisance.  A little bit ago, Crek removed and enemied someone whom was (apparently) decided to be a problem.  The following occurred:

A shadowlord widowrider draws a wicked blade and slashes it at Diaoda, slicing deep into her flesh.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
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Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
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A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
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Haezon The Black says, "Don't ask."
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Druid Crek Ysav'rai says, "Good bye, Diaoda."
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Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
In a flash, an illithoid scourge plunges a nekai into Diaoda's shoulder and stomach. With an icy grin, he twists the nekai viciously before withdrawing.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag turns her baleful gaze upon Diaoda, and she suddenly grasps her chest in pain.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag turns her baleful gaze upon Diaoda, and she suddenly grasps her chest in pain.
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Diaoda takes a drink from a vial.
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A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
In a flash, an illithoid scourge plunges a nekai into Diaoda's shoulder and stomach. With an icy grin, he twists the nekai viciously before withdrawing.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Diaoda takes a drink from a vial.
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In a flash, an illithoid scourge plunges a nekai into Diaoda's shoulder and stomach. With an icy grin, he twists the nekai viciously before withdrawing.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
A dark nighthag turns her baleful gaze upon Diaoda, and she suddenly grasps her chest in pain.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
In a flash, an illithoid scourge plunges a nekai into Diaoda's shoulder and stomach. With an icy grin, he twists the nekai viciously before withdrawing.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
With a quick beat of his wings Corissai rises to circle slowly around Diaoda, studying her curiously.
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Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
You sense the sweeping gaze of Synkarin looking upon you.
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A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Diaoda takes a drink from a vial.
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Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
A dark nighthag turns her baleful gaze upon Diaoda, and she suddenly grasps her chest in pain.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
An illithoid scourge assault Diaoda with an eerily graceful flurry of strikes before spitting directly in her face. Diaoda grimaces in disgust before suddenly turning a deathly pale.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
Driving his nekai deep into Diaoda's shoulders, an illithoid scourge forces her down as his knee collides painfully with Diaoda's face.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
An illithoid scourge assault Diaoda with an eerily graceful flurry of strikes before spitting directly in her face. Diaoda grimaces in disgust before suddenly turning a deathly pale.
Tendrils of shadow reach out from the churning night around a dark nighthag, solidifying as they reach Diaoda and battering her viciously.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A dark nighthag gives a cruel grin as she flings balls of shadow at Diaoda, which burst against her chest and cause her to stagger back.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
A shadowlord widowrider screams the name of Mother Night as he rears his great spider and slams his wicked lance into Diaoda's chest.
A shadowlord widowrider orders his great spider to attack, causing it to lunge and slam its mandibles into Diaoda's chest.
The protection of the Fates comes down to shield Diaoda from death.
8065h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-
Diaoda turns pallid and drops to the ground.

This was just a little spammy.  I'm kind of wondering why this changed... it seems a bit counterproductive to give problem newbies the opportunity to spam a nexus excessively after each time they pray.

(Please note that I'm not commenting on the specifics of this case, as I have no idea what this individual actually did / did not do, or why the action was felt to be necessary-- I am simply asking because, based on my past experience with problem-newbies, this change confuses me)

Enyalida

I don't think it's protection against guards, per se. Aren't newbies protected against death from ANY npc?

Maligorn

Newbies are so tanky, please nerf.

Shaddus

Newbies under a certain circle are unable to be killed for now. Maybe something needs to be instituted that bounced an enemied novice back to Portals?


Also, what did she do in order to get enemied, out of curiousity?

Xenthos

I'm not sure.  I walked in at the very end to check my totem, and saw only this:

You are bonded with a totem at before the Master Ravenwood Tree for another ten months.
Your totemic caretaker is Bloodsworn Calesta Ysav'rai.
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Diaoda, Wyrden Sting says, "Yeah eat it."
7742h, 7400m, 6965e, 10p, 25145en, 23630w mBelrx<>-totem renew 2

A rush of energy strengthens your bond with the totem.
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Diaoda leaves to the north.

Apparently there was more, but like I said, I don't really know the context.  The point of the post is not really about that, more the invulnerability provided now.

Shaddus

We've all been at the Master Ravenwood and seen you eating it. And by it, I mean whatever corpses you happened to come across.

Lerad

Yeah, it does look like it's the newbies-can't-die thing. If they do, they're just full refreshed, (I think, I've not been a newbie since the implementation of that) with a message that says "You just died, buddy! You'll want to be more careful otherwise, you'll die for real when you get past a certain level!"

The code, though, from the looks of this log, seems to be a little funky. The newbie looks like he died to bleeding, which... probably should be covered under the mechanism as well?

Solution would be to make this kind of fake death throw them to the portals room instead of just refreshing them where they stand, I think.

Shaddus

Iirc, it does actually knock them off balance.

And yeah, I agree with that.

Arcanis

Druid Crek Ysav'rai says, "Good bye, Diaoda."


I was hoping he'd give a witty reply once he noticed the guards cant kill him.

Rialorm

This makes me sad. I greeted the novice earlier that day and she seemed to be doing well by herself. Short for words, so probably an alt, but I always check anyway because we get so few novices and I want them to stay. Weep.