New Newbie Tour



  • LuceLuce Fox Populi Member Posts: 2,422 Transcendent
    Newton is probably a better starting point, tbh. After the Kiakoda babies, Newton is where they SHOULD be going, then the Collegium, then (if we're doing pure quests) Bard/scholar/pilgrims and the Tidal flats, then Irshaw and most villages, then Stewart manor and other combat-required village quests, and I'm not sure from there.
  • XeriaXeria Member Posts: 633 Gifted
    @Luce that's a better idea.

    @Weiwae by lore i mean you need to pay attention to the game in a specific way to know what to do next and it's hard to find that information because you don't know where to look!

    for example the skein of fine thread and the hidden library (items to start the gnome quest) - the bread crumbs   are there but a new player is NOT going to know chanterelle is a tailor. The room descript indicates that but not in a definite way.

    to teach this -

    when the mob runs out of bait - the player will have to manufacture some.

    Mob mentions that the penguins like to hide bait in X.
    HINTs tell player how to look for hidden objects.

    Player finds bait, gives it to peguin. peguin spits it out.
    HINTS tells player to PROBE BAIT.

    Player sees that bait is unprocessed in some way  from the bait descript.
    HINT: may Mob X knows how to deal with this.

    Player gives it to mob X
    mob X says Hey! you need to find a drying rack or a hot place to dry it. or to find a hidden location.
    HINT: Try asking the other Mobs for <KEYWORD> maybe they can help!

    Player wanders around paying attention to the game. tries, pushing, probing, dropping and giving everything to all the mobs.

    Player completes quest. Player knows how to do lusternian quests and where to go next should they want to do more quests.

    This eases new players into an aspect of the game that's usually a little difficult to get into.

    You've already have a quest tracking system. this suggestion will put it to good use!
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  • BreandrynBreandryn Member Posts: 1,521 Transcendent
    I might just be really dumb, but I tried getting that kiakodababies quest as a newbie and I couldn't get the quest added to my quest log and eventually gave up.
  • EdithEdith Member Posts: 15 Apprentice
    @Weiwae Hi! Of course I'll try to explain further.
    In the intro I came through on, there was a figure - a denizen but nonetheless - that I was interacting with, that was speaking to me and guiding me - and the introduce yourself prompt was automatic.
    I did actually rub the lamp a few times, and click a few questions to see which ones were given, and not once did I see a hint about introducing myself. Putting myself in the shoes of a true newbie, and remember I am quite new myself, I missed the interaction. With the Fates, I was pulled in - I had a companion, someone to lean on and turn to. It was a mob, but it was still a person and that was comforting in a small way. I was being led, not left.

    With this new intro, as I say, there was a couple of paragraphs about "yay text-games; oh btw this is Lusternia and people like it", then I learned to hit something, and then whambam off I pop. I'm left to cycle through questions by myself - and this isn't optional. In the last intro I already knew how to move around and how to communicate, so I could if I wanted go straight to my org.
    Now, I will have to stand there, rubbing and asking question after question until I find the one I need - while undoubtedly, people are greeting and directing to scrolls on the org aethers which could get overwhelming.

    Why should our new players have to work so hard? There was nothing wrong with the pulling along, the teaching of lore, the learning of so many useful basics, that the previous intro had.

    I hope this helps - my sentiments are much the same as many of the other comments :)
    (Glomdoring): Viravain says, "Edith."
    (Glomdoring): Viravain says, "Learning begins with the self. I charge you to preach My name."
    Raucous corvine laughter sounds out from the canopies of the surrounding forest, echoing eerily through the Wyrden Wood.
  • BreandrynBreandryn Member Posts: 1,521 Transcendent
    I had a friend from Aetolia come check out the game because I'd been chatting happy about it, and his biggest reaction from the intro was "But what about races? The web client shows all these cool races..."

    That may be something existing MUDders focus on more over new players - and I don't see an issue with having two different versions of the intro, one for brand new people who are learning what a text mud is, and one for, say, a convert from Dragonrealms or DIKU MUDs who wants to learn what IRE games are about (internal IRE converts aren't really the prime goal, I imagine). MUDs are a very small demographic and what keeps them afloat (aside from the die-hards for each game) is the slow trickle of new lifeblood matched with the cannibalization of players from other games. Catering to both types seems wise for growth.

    I know Matt mentioned over on mudconnector a few years ago (when the Imperian new intros were being put in) that they were playtesting against focus groups and that IRE does do analytics to gauge who's genuinely new and what trends well with them. It seems their numbers are suggesting that most of the new players are genuinely new to MUDs, but I would imagine that sort of information is tricky to analyze (fake emails during signup, people trying to hide alts, imprecise methods of determining who is genuinely new).
  • PhoebusPhoebus tu fui, ego eris. CircumstancesMember Posts: 1,920 Transcendent
    I think that it's very important to allow people to select their race during character creation. I didn't like that you had to be a human for the last intro, either. It feels like you missed something or made a mistake when you suddenly realize you're a human, but you wanted your character to be one of the cooler things you saw on the website instead! It feels like you aren't really you yet, and you're stuck waiting for the opportunity to even begin to play as the character you had in mind.

    How can it be more of a difficult decision than city or guild selection, something you are not allowed to wait on at all? Honestly, I'd wager that the vast majority of people know what race they want to be quicker than what org they want to join, and having to wait for it feels like something is missing. And you do have a free reincarnation if you change your mind. I used mine, when I was new, and it was just another fun part of my character changing. Everyone defaulting to human is...kinda weird.
  • LuceLuce Fox Populi Member Posts: 2,422 Transcendent
    edited October 2016
    Especially weird in light of the fact that humans aren't even native to Lusternia. Not even in the twisty, odd way Viscanti and Faelings are.

    EDIT: Actually, would it be possible to have the default determined by guild choice? So if you picked Aeromancer it'd default to Trill, Researchers start as Lucidians, Serenguard as Elfen, and Illuminati, Paladin, and Harbingers as Dracnari, Merian, and Faeling, respectively. (subject, obviously, to tweaking)
  • LavinyaLavinya Former Queen of Snark AustraliaMember Posts: 3,354 Transcendent
    More than one reincarnation now, @Phoebus - newbies can freely reincarnate as much as they like while a newbie. So it makes even LESS sense to not let them choose race.

  • PhoebusPhoebus tu fui, ego eris. CircumstancesMember Posts: 1,920 Transcendent
    Lavinya said:
    More than one reincarnation now, @Phoebus - newbies can freely reincarnate as much as they like while a newbie. So it makes even LESS sense to not let them choose race.
    Oh, really? Man, newbies get so many freebies these days!
  • ShaddusShaddus , the Leper Messiah Outside your window.Member Posts: 7,761 Transcendent
    It's almost like we want them to stick around.
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  • PhoebusPhoebus tu fui, ego eris. CircumstancesMember Posts: 1,920 Transcendent
    Shaddus said:
    It's almost like we want them to stick around.
    I didn't mean that as a complaint!
  • EdithEdith Member Posts: 15 Apprentice
    Reading the new comments that touch on the subject of choosing your race, I realise I wanted to say something else about that, that I forgot to include in my reply comment.

    @Weiwae you said that newbies get confused, and can't really understand the mechanics and benefits that each race can provide until later in the game. I think more credit should be given to the players.
    When choosing a city/commune and a guild, there is so much more information to read and take into consideration than there is with your race. Joining an org is also much more lingering - if you join an org and later decide to leave, that is a decision noticed by many. Changing your race? Pretty inconspicuous, especially with newbies. Having the option to read about the races during the intro is something I have seen in other games, and I had no issues with it.
    (Personally, I also always look through the website of a game first, and so have already read about races and orgs)

    I'm somewhat echoing @Phoebus here. The choosing of a race is probably the first thing a player has decided. It's the very basic definition of your character - how you will look, act, interact with others; it's something that I think the vast majority will think about first - how they look and what they are.

    And finally to just repeat what @Lavinya said also, there are no restrictions on reincarnating when you are below a certain level (I think 21 or 30?), so even if there is regret on the race chosen, it can be fixed. Does it really change anything, or benefit the player by making them wait so long until they can define one of the most basic components of their gameplay and characterization?
    (Glomdoring): Viravain says, "Edith."
    (Glomdoring): Viravain says, "Learning begins with the self. I charge you to preach My name."
    Raucous corvine laughter sounds out from the canopies of the surrounding forest, echoing eerily through the Wyrden Wood.
  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 1,584 Transcendent
    (Newbie): Airin says, "Hi! I'm in the process of developing my character's storyline, and I've come 
    to picking a race. The only thing that's stopping me is that I have trouble imagining what the races 
    are like, especially the lucidian and trill, and especially the kephera. Can anyone give me advice 
    on developing my character's arc, especially in the area of her race? I ccan't believe I didn't get 
    to choose."
  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 1,584 Transcendent
    (Newbie): Fraay says, "Why could i not choose a race?"

    The race thing is really confusing newbies.
  • DhaniDhani Member Posts: 36 Capable
    As a side note, somewhat related to the new intro - Can we at least make GUILD RACES LIST viewable to people of the COL or NOV rank? Apparently it's a first guild rank power and kind of defeats the purpose if the new people who need to figure out race can't see it.
  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 1,584 Transcendent
    edited October 2016
    (Newbie): Desolatia says, "Hello. I didn't see an option to select race when I entered Lusternia. Is 
    this an option that can be accessed now?"

    It does feel like every newbie that comes through has the same question.

    Can we get a bit of a race thing put into the initial intro to help them out please?
  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 1,584 Transcendent
    Also help races is now incorrect with the new intro.

    "All Lusternians start as one of the following races:

    Human, Dwarf, Elfen, Dracnari, Faeling, Furrikin, Krokani, Aslaran,
    Loboshigaru, Mugwump, Merian, Orclach, Igasho, Tae'dae, Taurian, Trill,
    Viscanti, Lucidian, Kephera or Illithoid."

    Could we maybe update the help file to explain that they start as Human now and that they have to go and reincarnate into a different race if they want to?
  • MaligornMaligorn Windborne Member Posts: 2,763 Transcendent
    Just spitballing here, but I'm decently certain all the admin have heard this complaint/criticism and are working on it or have their hands tied atm, because changing the Intro without corporate approval is supposedly really problematic. Probably should stop beating the dead horse :P

  • DeichtineDeichtine Member Posts: 1,584 Transcendent
    Not trying to beat a dead horse but the help file could do with being corrected is all for now.
  • BreandrynBreandryn Member Posts: 1,521 Transcendent
    After another go through the intro, again.... The heavy emphasis on how it's so FREE TO PLAY FOREVER and then repeated prompts about a free, fabulous gift make me feel like I'm being sold a timeshare.
  • KalaneyaKalaneya Member Posts: 284 Gifted
    All I can think about is needing to retcon the Book of Xyl to account for everyone being a human. Or fix the race issue. 
  • BreandrynBreandryn Member Posts: 1,521 Transcendent
    In the interim, perhaps a landmark for the Cave can be added? You need to walk there to reincarnate, which isn't something a newb's going to know how to do. Heck, I had to wander around a while without ascend + down exits :p
  • DhaniDhani Member Posts: 36 Capable
    edited October 2016
    Another thing I noticed, this intro doesn't give the stock standard journal we all take for granted. Could this be added into the lamp as a prompt or just a drop off the orc?

    Had an after thought when I posted. Perhaps a quest can be made that would solve a lot of the issues being mentioned? The lamp prompt "You speak of quests." can then give them a quest of visit the Portal of Fate, telling them how to reach it with Hints and such. Upon arrival the lamp gifts them a journal, telling them the spiel of how to keep their adventures within it. The next lamp prompt could be races and how to reincarnate while they're still there. Seems win-win but taking criticisms.
  • WeiwaeWeiwae Member, Gods Posts: 452 Divine
    A couple changes have been made to the lamp regarding races and how to get to the collegium.  Please let us know if you notice new questions or confusion from newbies. 

  • XenthosXenthos Shadow Lord Member Posts: 5,970 Transcendent
    Good job making changes (note: have not personally reviewed said changes).  The last newbie tour overhaul kind of just got dropped in and abandoned.  I like to see the followup to tweak and improve for the benefit of the newfolk.

    Keep it up! :)
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