Most skills in veneration feel like they are meant to be used in order versus order wars. While some are still quite handy without it, some feel very lacking, expensive, or useless without having many cultists around, which already is difficult to gain. The skill itself requires a large amount of cult essence, and then several require such expenditures it seems like they won't be used, given the relatively low benefits.

That isn't to say it's not cool. I love the very concept of cults. I like all the fluff with it. But it feels like an extremely old skill set. And the longer it goes without changes, the least likely it'll be used. And given how much effort goes into creating a cult for the Divine involved, it would be nice to see it used more often. More things outside of the realm, more visible to the Basin at large to see the union between god and demigod/dess.

Venerate Form a divine cult to venerate your patron.

Cost: 10,000,000 essence (Free if Ascendant)

Having fanned your divine spark beyond that of a mere mortal, and having

formed a bond with an Elder Divine, such a union can be furthered upon.

With the agreement of your patron, you can form a divine cult to

venerate an aspect of Their divinity.

- Nothing wrong with this, as it is literally the ability to like...become a cult. Makes sense.

Meditation 50% Inept Strengthen the bond between you and your patron.


Cost: 30,000 cult essence per meditation

As a divine cult is formed, it is weak. The bond, however, can be

expanded upon by meditating on it. By meditating at your altar, forged

in the instant that you and your patron formed your union, you can

increase the strength of your veneration.

- As with the first, it is needed in order to create the cult. Having to be at the shrine in order to strengthen the cult makes sense. That's fine.

Pilgrimage 0% Novice All pilgrimages begin with a prayer for deliverance.


Cost: 500 essence

By venerating your God with a rite of Pilgrimage, He may grant you

passage through the known planes to your cult's altar within His realm.

- This is a fine nice power. Anyone in the cult can use it, it doesn't cost a lot of power, a nice way to get to your God's realm.

Glory 50% Novice A ritual to seek the ineffable wisdom of your patron.


Cost: 10,000 essence

Venerate your God with a rite of Glory, seeking divine wisdom for your

cult. All members present will be granted experience, the amount varying

on the number of members present.

- Unsure how this stacks up. It is unlikely that the 10,000 essence is worth it without at least 3 cult members, probably many more. It can be done alone though, and anyone in the cult can do it, so if the cult has a lot of essence, probably fine. Mostly forgotten, but not bad.

ReverentContemplatio 0% Apprentice A ritual of blessing for sheltered sleep.


Cost: 5,000 essence

Venerate your patron with a private ritual, drawing your physical and

spiritual self closer to Him. For a time, sleeping within His/Her realm

will increase your base health regeneration by three times.

- Useless to the avatar, as they don't sleep. I don't think you can sleep after level 80 without an artifact that lets you deepsleep again. I like the flavour of it. It might be nice if you got unique dreams while using it? People in orders already get unique order related dreams.

Did you know that? Most people don't I think. It's really neat! I don't think they get seen often enough! This is still a....really weird one. So many people are, if not demigod/desses, then at the very least over level 80 by the time they'd find themselves in an order and in a cult.

Prospicience 50% Apprentice See the world through another's eyes.

VENERATE <patron> WITH PROSPICIENCE OF <cult member>

Cost: 500 essence

See through the eyes of a member of your cult, and know the world as

they know it. Only the Avatar may perform this rite, and it must be

performed at the cult's altar.

- Really nice flavour and it doesn't use a lot of essence! Having to be at the altar is a bit annoying. Perhaps anyone in the cult can cast it, but they must be at the altar, but the avatar, having the deeper connection, can cast it anywhere. Moving or doing stuff would interrupt it?

SupplicantsPrayer 0% Capable A ritual of devotion precedes all offerings.


Cost: 100,000 essence

Increase the value of your cult's offerings with this rite of

supplication. The more cultists are present at the time of its casting,

the more potent the bonus. The benefit will last for one day, and then


- Nice! Extremely expensive for what it does. Useful if you plan on offering gobbing amounts of esteem. But still, extreeeemly expensive.

VindicatedVendetta 50% Capable A ritual to vindicate your actions.


Cost: 5,000

Damage Buff: 1/10 to all sources (against order enemies)

A personal promise to your Patron, you may beseech a vindication for

your prejudice against cultists of an enemy god - and so smite them with

a bolstered fury. Can only be cast at the cult's altar.

- Situational. Against order enemies? Must be cast at the cult altar. At least it can be cast by anyone in the cult and not just the avatar. I think.

Intervention 0% Adept Every flock requires a shepherd.

VENERATE <patron> WITH INTERVENTION OF <cult member>

Cost: 5,000

Intervene on behalf of a cult member and risk the trials that would rise

against them in their stead. Note only the Avatar of the cult can

perform this rite, and it can only be performed from the cult's altar.

- Avatar only and at the altar. If anyone could cast it, but keep it at the altar, it could be good? I understand it certainly can't be cast anywhere, as that would make an avatar...extremely strong.

BenevolentEmanations 50% Adept A ritual to manifest the benevolent will of your God.


Cost: 25,000 essence

Member Requirement: 2 (Avatar Can Cast Alone)

Summon the attention of your Patron, beseeching Him to manifest His

benevolent will throughout His realm. Healing emanations of these

benevolent blessings will rain down upon His devout, and of those who He

looks benevolently upon.

- One of the ones that feels like it's a leftover from cult wars. A blessing! For the realm! Almost no one attacks realms. It's been real life years since anyone has tried to kill a moth, and that includes when Mysrai was off snoozing/meeting the Best Tae'dae, and given how big the realm is, you'd think at least a few would hunt it. But no. So an expensive power, for use...only in the realm.

DevoutShield 0% Master A ritual of protection against the blasphemous.


Cost: 5,000 essence

Damage Resistance: 1/6 from all sources

Venerate your Patron with this rite, and He may bestow upon you a shield

worthy of His devout. Such a blessing will protect you against harm, no

matter the source. This rite can only be cast at a cult altar.

- Not bad? Again, weird to have to be cast at the altar. At least it's from every source, and anyone in the cult can cast it without needing multiple cult members.

Noetics 50% Master To know, to hear, to speak through that which is devout.

(Cult Leader Only)

VENERATE <patron> WITH NOETICS FOR <cult member>

Cost: 10,000 essence


Venerate your patron with this rite and be granted the privilege to not

only hear what your cult member hears, but to speak directly through

him. This can only be performed at the cult's altar, and will fade if

you move from it.

Note: To cancel an active noetics, the Avatar need only move or

re-perform the rite.

- Expensive for only the avatar? Perhaps this could have two forms. One by the cult leader that can use it anywhere, and one where another cult member can use it from only the altar, to be closer to the cult.

MalevolentEmanations 0% Gifted A ritual to manifest the malevolent will of your God.


Cost: 25,000 essence

Member Requirement: 4 (Avatar Can Cast Alone)

Summon the attention of your Patron, beseeching Him to manifest His

malevolent will throughout His realm. Angered emanations of these

violent curses will rain down upon those who would defile His realm.

- Expensive, altar only, realm only. Defile Their realm? You can't do that, so I'm assuming “being an enemy within Their realm” so again...this is incredibly niche. Even though the avatar can cast alone, it's expensive for something the affects only the realm. And only order enemies.

DeiparousSpeed 50% Gifted A ritual to seek god-given speed.


Cost: 5,000 essence

Venerate your Patron with this rite before the cult's altar, and He may

bestow upon you the ability to move faster and farther than before. Move

swiftly across the land, and spread the word of your God.

- Perfectly adequate. At the cult altar though? But hey! Not toooo expensive, anyone can cast it and use it, go zoomies.

SolemnCall 0% Expert A single word is all that is needed.


Cost: 15,000 essence

Member Requirement: 2 (Avatar Can Cast Alone)

Perform this rite and place a solemn call to duty for all cultists to

answer. If they are on a known plane, they will immediately begin to

draw close, and little will stop them. Enemy territory, however, will

hinder, but not stop, their travels.

- Does this force them to come without being able to stop it? Does moving stop it? At least cult members can start the process without needing the avatar.

HymnicChoir 50% Expert All within your God's creation shall sing praise.


Cost: 20,000 essence

Member Requirement: 2 (Avatar Can Cast Alone)

Send the inhabitants of your Patron's realm into songs of praise and

glory, bolstering your cult members health, mana and ego while within.

As well, others not of your cult but followers of your God - or members

of orders He looks benevolently upon - shall receive a lesser blessing

of the same nature.

- So only within the realm again. At least this time it effects orders They also look benevolently upon, if you have some sort of big shebang in the divine realm! Again, this feels like it's a leftover against order versus order wars.

PiousSacrifice 0% Virtuoso To gain something, something else must be lost.


Cost: 10,000 essence

Offer up the essence of your cult to your God, sanctifying shrines and

lands in His name.

- Fine. A way to sanctify shrines without using essence? Wait. Wouldn't it be easier and probably cheaper to use...use essence?

Portal 50% Virtuoso Channel a gateway through the planes.


Cost: 10,000+ essence

Member Requirement: 3 (Leader Can Cast Alone)

Beseech your God to provide a means of travel, piercing through the

planes themselves.

- 10000+? + what? How much? Nexus is the nexus of the person, or the nexus that the god is aligned to? Where in the Godrealm? The cults altar? Why not just use pilgrimage then? For way less cost?

FaithfulCongregation 0% Fabled All shall come at the call of the faithful.


Essence: 5000

Member Requirement: (Avatar Only)

By beseeching your patron to mark you as the most faithful of His

congregations, those of the Cult will find their health, mana and ego

bolstered for every fellow of their Cult in their area.

- So only the avatar can do this, and only for their cultists. This is already an avatar power? They can exalt stuff. And it only helps cultist so it's even more limited than exalting, as exalting is at least for all order members.

DivineSupper 50% Fabled Sup at the table of your patron's benevolence.


Essence: 5000

Member Requirement: 3

Call upon your Patron to bless your cult, and so sup as the Divine might

- the divine energies restoring your health, mana, ego, endurance,

willpower and protecting you against enemies.

NOTE: This can only be cast once a month.

- Love the flavour! Requires three members. Most cults aren't...super active from what I've heard. The most active cult in Mysrai's order, who has probably the most cults, is lucky if it has three members online at any one time. Can only be cast once a month. Well, you're probably only going to get 3 once a month? Probably.

Presence 0% Mythical Increase the reach of your God's influence.


Essence: 50000

Member Requirement: 4

Ego bonus: 1/5

Influence bonus: 1/5

Call your God's presence to walk amongst the Cult, bolstering your

influencing, and ego for a time.

- Oh! This requires more person! Terrifying! For that much essence and members required for that much of a bonus is...not great.

Omniscience 50% Mythical Hear and speak freely on all planes.


Essence: 5000 (50 per minute upkeep)

Member Requirement: (Cult Leader Only)

Beseech your God to allow your perceptions to expand across the known

multiverse, allowing you to hear anything spoken on all known aethers.

- Cool, I like it. Very nice. Perhaps some way for a cultist to use it, but perhaps at a cost to themselves as well?

TrueSermon 0% Transcendent Let all hear the truest of sermons as it echoes across your God's domain.


Essence: 35000

Member Requirement: 2 (Avatar can cast alone)

Expand your presence throughout the realm of your God, through your

Cult's Altar, and allow all loyal to Him to hear your inspiring words of

your God's glory. For a time after such a sermon, the inhabitants of the

realm shall be stronger, driven by purpose and devotion.

- The transcendent skill! Requires...a lot of essence. And uhm. Okay, so. Let's use the word “moths” here. It makes moths stronger. This doesn't make them worth more god essence (the essence you see in the logs when an order member influences them), I don't think it even makes them worth more personal essence or esteem generation. If it does, it's a very low amount. And that is from the perspective of the largest divine order with the most moths. For anyone else this is absolutely a waste of essence. It would likely have been great in order versus order wars, but again that's no longer a thing, so this, for a transcendent skill of a skill that is hard to get, is going to be woefully under utlized. And even in the wars, you can't direct the divine mobs to go anywhere, so they'd be themselves. Smack. One dead moth. Smack. Another. They don't clump like they use to, so it would still be extremely easy to murder them.

I didn't do this as a report as it seemed like it needed a lot more detail, so I thought perhaps a forum report would be better.
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  • Added suggestion: This would likely be difficult, but something to spend cult essence on eventually is the "cult zone". That is the area a cultist/avatar can get to by touching the cult altar. The avatar could perhaps spend cult essence on expanding it, similar to how the Divine expand Their realms. This of course would have to be approved by the Divine, so if you're in a dead order, less good. But something to spend essence on once you get a lot. But could summon and setup room, and then the Divine could look them over and either change or approve them as is Their whims see fit. Something to do when the cult has a lot of essence towards the end.
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