Bonds is defensive. I'm not sure you can argue that. There's no such thing as 'utility' combat skills. It's either protecting from something, or it's negatively affecting your enemies. There isn't really any wiggle room in there.
Edit: I've certainly called for someone to lay down bonds as a defensive measure. Lots of times.
edit2: It's amusing that now a certain someone isn't able to abuse refresh mechanics to constantly meldbomb, they are OP and need to be nerfed.
Right. Let's play spot the difference between say, hallowedground, holybeing, or moondance light and bonds. One is disabling(?). The others give you the ability to tank half a staff cast or cure off some auxiliary affliction (of which there are many between the offensive roomwide counterparts to the skills listed above) every 10 seconds.
Edit: It's more like a quarter to a fifth of a staffcast. Pretty much all passive cures are in the 5% max health ballpark.
(I'm the mom of Hallifax btw, so if you are in Hallifax please call me mom.)
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(of a disease or condition) making someone very weak and infirm.
"debilitating back pain"
I do not know why this amuses me so, but it does. (Yes, I'm sure you're using it in the "to weaken something sense," but... every defensive ability does that, Trueheal is similarly debilitating to a person's entire offense, not just a single portion of it)
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I mean, Healer SDs could be like Institute in that they get to have their cake and eat it too as far as offense and defense goes, but that puts them in a different category, in my mind, than the defensive that comprises most of the North.
Are there other exceptions? Sure. Harmony monks > Stealth monks all the way. But by and large, you have people that are essentially hindered by the defensive skills tacked onto their skillset, because it makes their offense weak in the name of balance, instead of going one way fully or the other.
Defensive skills can be used offensively, and offensive skills can be used defensively. See: Heartstone, serpent, trueheal for offensive applications of charging, rushing, getting past barriers. See: paralysis, blindness, entangles and hinders in general for using offensive skills to buy time to heal up.
Skillsets in general have a healthy mix of both defensive and offensive options - some skillsets have unique options for either defensive or offensive intent, and which do their parts way better than their rivals in other skillsets. See: fullmoon for a supercharged green (or cheap trueheal, depending on your perspective), bonds for a supercharged monolith etc.
As a result of these unique modifiers, each org's skillset composition is... well, unique. The sheer strength of some combinations will end up being elevated to being the most obvious, and because they are useful, the most often used abilities of that org. It becomes easy to say "Serenwilde is defensive, Glomdoring is offensive" - but that doesn't mean offensive options are not available to Serenwilde, nor that defensive options are not available to Glomdoring.
Protip: It's not just the SDs and the Institute that has both offensive and defensive options simultaneously. Celest/Serenwilde have arguably the best salve stacks in their monks (the Shofangi prone-lock, pre-nerf, was literally a prone-lock. You could not stay unprone when fighting them) amongst the best def-stripping, lockdown abilities (moon dark and inquisition both remain amongst the most despised, complained about, and frustrating abilities in the game) and, prior to Gaudi/Halli, the best group-splitters in the game (there was no equivalent to pathtwist and currents outside of celest/seren). All of these are abilities that can be used both defensively and offensively, and sometimes, simultaneously both - disabling and hindering the target while building toward a kill or goal.
Mag and Glom also have defensive options that I bet many people in Celest/Seren would pay an arm and a leg to get their hands on. Lichseed, anybody? Not only is it a free self-rezz for everyone in your org, it also brings you back stronger than you were. Night drink and flight, when used properly, can make an SD super tanky. Nowhere near as good a get-out-of-jail-free card as fullmoon, but nothing to scoff at either.
To say that entire orgs are "defensive orientated" and therefore lack options when compared to "offensively orientated" orgs is simply a misunderstanding of how certain abilities become the "identity" of an org. MDs are known as defensive not because they have no offense (you can bet your bippies they have offense), but simply because they choose to use their defensive options so often that it becomes their identity: because that defensive option is itself so efficient that it can be used in so many applications - in both offensive and defensive ways. Just like how the illuminati are known as hinder gods, because, well, they hinder better than anybody. Do they actually lack healing and defensive options? Let's see... customisable resistances, a number of customisable choices between illusion detection, summon resistance, leaping, blindness protection (!), vomiting (aff) protection, health leech, sip enhancer (!!), regeneration or reactive strikes etc...
Let's just say, nope. They aren't exactly lacking in defensive options anymore than Celest/Serenwilde are lacking in offensive options.
Who is Celina talking about? I don't see Nienla in this thread.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I know it doesn't seem like you guys made progress, but you certainly did. Broke the meld up a few times, took over the domoth etc. Just gotta stick to it, learn from your mistakes (stay together, stay shielded) and you'll improve as time goes by. It was a good fight all around I think.
Highlight of the fight: breaking Cyndarin's meld in the first time I went up, especially after getting a snarky "thanks" after (accidentally) illusoryterraining a burned room.
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edit: The last few were lovely, and I second the appreciation of the absolve fight. That's what I get for leaving a draft in this thread of crankiness
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Crap! I keep forgetting to log my Tokota / Adushoc RPs . @Enadonella you'd be so proud of what you started.
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Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
Crap! I keep forgetting to log my Tokota / Adushoc RPs . @Enadonella you'd be so proud of what you started.
I'm super proud. But, I am also super sad I can't continue with it. I'm happy and impressed that you have found joy in the RP though and kept it going this long, it has been well over a year! Keen to see the logs.
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I'm already having a terrible day. And now I'm dreading logging in because the exact same drama I already dealt with like at least twice now has reared its head.
Here is a tip. If you want to run a ministry, ask to be the head of that ministry. Don't continually do things as aide that the Minister has politely asked you not to do.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I'm already having a terrible day. And now I'm dreading logging in because the exact same drama I already dealt with like at least twice now has reared its head.
Here is a tip. If you want to run a ministry, ask to be the head of that ministry. Don't continually do things as aide that the Minister has politely asked you not to do.
I feel your pain. I have an almost the same, not quite the same, drama brewing situation as well. Something that should have taken a week and a half has taken over a month and is still going on and despite my attempts to remedy the situation or push it to conclusion nothing happens... then to top it off the person causing the issue wants to be rewarded with one of, IMHO, the highest rewards said position could attain, for not doing said person's job.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
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To add to this, I just love being attacked non-stop in my home territory, violetting non-stop and still not being able to do anything because I'm the only one around right now who can.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
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One is disabling(?). The others give you the ability to tank half a staff cast or cure off some auxiliary affliction (of which there are many between the offensive roomwide counterparts to the skills listed above) every 10 seconds.
Edit: It's more like a quarter to a fifth of a staffcast. Pretty much all passive cures are in the 5% max health ballpark.
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I do not know why this amuses me so, but it does.
entire offense, not just a single portion of it)
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Yes I'm a girl
get over it
Are there other exceptions? Sure. Harmony monks > Stealth monks all the way. But by and large, you have people that are essentially hindered by the defensive skills tacked onto their skillset, because it makes their offense weak in the name of balance, instead of going one way fully or the other.
Idea: upgraded artifact that eliminates balance times on defs
Caveat: requires oversight regarding which defs should be affected
Neat trick: Tam + upgraded def-up arti = instant class change mid-combat.
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Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
Here is a tip. If you want to run a ministry, ask to be the head of that ministry. Don't continually do things as aide that the Minister has politely asked you not to do.
I feel your pain. I have an almost the same, not quite the same, drama brewing situation as well. Something that should have taken a week and a half has taken over a month and is still going on and despite my attempts to remedy the situation or push it to conclusion nothing happens... then to top it off the person causing the issue wants to be rewarded with one of, IMHO, the highest rewards said position could attain, for not doing said person's job.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.