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The problem is Glomdoring. The real problem is the way Glomdoring gutted New Celest and Hallifax (and then Magnagora after the alliance switch), stripping two (three) vibrant communities of their most regular players and fighters, leaving them a barren wasteland for 20 years from which they have never recovered

Saran said:

None of that really provides a justification with why OOC clans are necessary. 

You can disagree all you like with "the notion that a player has to join an OOC clan if they want something other than silence in their organization", because it seems pretty clear that for some people that's the reality of the game for them.
My personal experience has been seeing people getting silence on IC channels while people are constantly talking on OOC clans, I have seen discussions on these OOC clans that result in IC actions (Which guess what, isn't against the rules cause all clans are IC if anyone in them decides to do this)

My experience is that the OOC clan situation has gotten worse, when I was able to easily have fun interacting with people the only OOC clans I was really aware of were the strictly moderated combat ones. 


So why exactly should someone attracted by the rp focus that this game is sold on, bother to stick around if you can't roleplay with people cause they're too busy memeing in OOC clans to do anything.

I think you have it backwards, to bar a behavior you should have to demonstrate it should be barred, not the other way around.

Even in the case you cited you could turn on the channel you want and turn it off during other times.

>> My personal experience has been seeing people getting silence on IC channels while people are constantly talking on OOC clans, I have seen discussions on these OOC clans that result in IC actions (Which guess what, isn't against the rules cause all clans are IC if anyone in them decides to do this)

That doesn't mean that the person on the OOC clan would be more talkative on the IC channel if you they weren't in an OOC clan. Just because someone is willing to talk about x doesn't mean they will engage in y.

>>So why exactly should someone attracted by the rp focus that this game is sold on, bother to stick around if you can't roleplay with people cause they're too busy memeing in OOC clans to do anything.

I won't say that there isn't RP on IC channels, but, if we exclude IC clans (which exist) then I've not seen a big change between now and say 10 years ago.

The MMR system is good in theory, but anybody who has participated in PvP, in almost any sense game (I meant game), knows that the more bodies will win over skill. If we continue Tarken being 5 and say, Lycidas and his Fantastic Four (all worth 1 point because we suck) are now worth that 5 points. We could be awful, and we are, and still win that fight simply because skill does not make up for taking up to five times the normal pressure any individual exerts. Assuming this was implemented, there would always be lopsided numbers, in someone's favor, and would no longer be competitive. If we sent in three 1-pointers would this system allow Tarken to enter to compete, or keep him out because 5 is greater than 3?

These are unpopular opinions, not facts!

@Coraline agreed, though maybe lipreading in Discernment should still see it. And @Daxi Strongleaf if we get rid of imperial measurements, how would you rewrite this pun?

What did Sherlock Holmes say when asked how long a ruler was? The answer is afoot, dear Watson.

These are just fast examples, but the point is that we don't have to be stuck on anything. There really are no parameters and outside-of-the-box ideas sometimes turn out really well!

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Anaklusmos said:

in all seriousness, this topic has been hashed out to death. The admins have decided to side with Glomdoring and maintain the status quo. Nothing is going to change.

Move on.

The admin deciding to maintain the status quo is absolutely false. A goal that I've stated multiple times is that I want everyone to feel like they can compete. That's the direction we're heading when we look at things like the mage revamp etc. It's something I think we achieved with the Aeonics rework and it's something we'll continue to work towards. We recently reworked two major complaint artifacts and are looking at a third.  We are making strides, but it takes time. We'll continue to make strides. 

Prioritising a brand new conflict system over continuing in this "direction" really doesn't help the look of things. Reading over the forums, it seems as though what's coming next is another opportunity for the "winners" to extend their lead and for the "losers" to feel bad about themselves.
If I'd had to deal with some of the bonuses being suggested while I was active, I'd be logging out the moment any raiding started.

There's a thread for these kind of comments, feel free to comment there with your concerns!

The fourth comment in that thread expresses concern about it and then is dismissed.

Actions speak louder than words, in the current context of the game the administration decided it was more important to add in yet another conflict mechanism rather than dedicating the dev time spent on that to bringing more equivalence across the orgs.

If equivalence was the focus then would it not be the focus right now and be receiving the same "nothing can get in the way" treatment Timequakes is receiving?

I said 'A goal', not the 'only goal.' Timequakes are being focused on because they address a few other major complaints, most notably the 'there's nothing to do' complaint. 

I don't understand how choosing to focus on one thing means that anything else we state about our other intentions or other goals is suddenly false and not true, even when it's backed up by action (ie, aeonics report). I think this is a perfect example of the 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' phrase. No matter what we do, a subset of players will be upset that we're not doing something they want us to do.

As one of the players that mentioned the complaint about having nothing to do, they really don't. Particularly because not everyone that was looking for stuff to do was a combatant.

There are comments all over the forums and even in this thread about how the current state of conflict is apparently driving even people interested in PvP away from the game depending on the "side" you're on (which in turn is negatively impacting the other "side" when they're looking for a fight).

So who actually gets to enjoy this system?
Given the current bonus layout we'd logically expect those dominating domoths, flares, and villages to accelerate pretty quickly through the research which would in turn make them better at various things including the Timequakes leading to some snowballing.

But on top of that, once they start hitting capstones, which you would expect them to faster, at this point they're going to have all these interesting raiding powers that are liable to make the smaller orgs lives hell as the larger ones start playing with them.

Sure, maybe if a timequake happens during some time of the where the smaller orgs have larger numbers AND the larger orgs don't have people they can batphone (or the game can batphone for them) then maybe the smaller orgs might be able to scrape some points together. But that doesn't really do anything for the people stuck in the prime time for the "winners".

Aydeksa said:

I had to share this, because when I see people disagree on this thread it's all I can think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkE83Zu8z58

If you disagree on this thread then does that mean you actually believe the statement is a popular opinion? 

Glomdoring is an actual cult, and people who adhere to it stop accepting reality.

I mean it in the same vein that there're warnings against afk bashing/aetherhunting, yes there are examples but how tightly are those moderated again? Just a warning will help keeping people on toes, not that admins should sit down dedicate hours to watching everyone throwing emotes at each other.

Re: Alts, I think alts can break many things if they are being abused, not just this system. But a decent solution for that could be that you earn a recognition point, that you can later hand out, by spending x amount of time as logged in, rather than having a set number of points for every day.