Overhaul Tarot

Estarra

Discuss the tarot skillset.

Moi

ab tarot
You have gained the following abilities in Tarot:
Inscribing          The ability to inscribe images upon blank Tarot cards.
Healer              Heal yourself or others in the radiance of Dionamus.
Emperor             Like the Dark Emperor, compel others to follow you.
Cardpacks           Use the handy cardpacks for easier storage.
Magician            Replenish your mana with the might of the Magician.
Hangedman           Hinder your opponent with a mass of ropes.
Fool                Tarot messages will be masked by a foolish jester.
Hermit              Teleport to an uninhabited location.
Empress             Summon your friends to you.
Teacher             D'varsha the Teacher holds many secrets.
Lovers              Create a strong love for you in your target.
Warrior             With the help of Klangratch, your tarot will damage others.
Fall                Tap into the reverbations of the destruction of old Celest.
Moon                Bestow the maladies of the moon upon your enemy.
Dreamer             Let Vestera sleepily unravel your enemy.
Judge               Let Juliana bring justice to the unjust.
Starleaper          Evade opponents with the swiftness of Shanth.
Catacombs           Travel the Catacombs of the Dead, courtesy of Urlach.
Princess            The Imperial Princess can cure all ailments--at a cost.
Aeon                Curse your foe with the mark of Chronos.
Lust                Cause an opponent to hopelessly lust after you.
Enigma              Bear the Enigma of Tzaraziko within your being.
Soulless            This dangerous tarot will rip the soul out of another.
World               Brush aside protective rituals by virtue of Kiakoda.
See AB TAROT <ability> for more information on an ability.


ab tarot Inscribing
TAROT - INSCRIBING

Syntax: INSCRIBE [number] CARD WITH <image>
With this ability, you may inscribe blank tarot cards with the various
images of the deck.

ab tarot Healer  
TAROT - HEALER

Syntax:       FLING HEALER AT <target>
Applications: 1

The essence of Dionamus the Healer will come forth to benevolently heal.

ab tarot Emperor  
TAROT - EMPEROR

Syntax:       FLING EMPEROR AT <target>
Applications: 1

The Dark Emperor commanded many to follow him. You, like him, will be granted the ability to force others to recognize your leadership and follow you.

ab tarot Cardpacks
TAROT - CARDPACKS

Syntax: IND <number> <card>
        OUTD <number> <card>
        DECKLIST
Cardpacks is the ability to utilise the magical cardpacks. When you have
a cardpack, you can see what it contains by probing it. IND (for INDECK)
<tarot> will put a card in the pack and OUTD <tarot> will take it out
again. You may IND and OUTD up to 50 cards at once by doing IND 50 FOOL,
or OUTD 50 FOOL for instance.

ab tarot Magician    
TAROT - MAGICIAN

Syntax:       FLING MAGICIAN AT <player>
Applications: 1

The Magician represents the power of magic and the power of the mind.
This card will replenish the mana of the player it is thrown at.

ab tarot Hangedman  
TAROT - HANGEDMAN

Syntax:       FLING HANGEDMAN AT <target>
Applications: 1

The Hangedman will entangle your foe in a mass of ropes.

ab tarot Fool      
TAROT - FOOL

Syntax:       FLING FOOL AT GROUND
Power:        3 (any)
Applications: 1

Invoking the Fool will mask your next 3 flings with his capering and
foolish self.

ab tarot Hermit   
TAROT - HERMIT

Syntax:       ACTIVATE HERMIT
              TOUCH HERMIT
              FLING HERMIT AT GROUND
              HERMITLIST
Applications: 1

The Hermit is a solitary person. When you activate the hermit card, it
will remember the location at which you activated it. Then, when you
fling it, you will be transported to that location, provided there are
no players in that location at the time. To see where an activated card
leads to: TOUCH <hermit>. Hermit cards will not carry you across planes.
HERMITLIST will show you a list of all hermit cards in your inventory
and where they lead to.

ab tarot Empress   
TAROT - EMPRESS

Syntax:       FLING EMPRESS AT <player>
Applications: 1

With this ability, you may summon someone from anywhere within the local area, provided you are on his or her allies list. If you have forced yourself onto that list via the Lust tarot (or a love potion), then you will be able to summon that person from anywhere on the continent.

ab tarot Teacher  
TAROT - TEACHER

Syntax:       FLING TEACHER AT <target>
Applications: 4

The wisdom of D'Varsha the Teacher can be invoked with this card, and your target will be taught the mysteries of one subject. This card only lasts one Lusternian day on any one person, and will only work once per Lusternian month.

ab tarot Lovers  
TAROT - LOVERS

Syntax:       FLING LOVERS AT <target>
Applications: 1
Affliction:   Mana Curse, Level 1/Max 3
The Lovers tarot will inspire your target to fall deeply in love with you. But the love is unrequited, so that person will find their mental powers drained.

ab tarot Warrior
TAROT - WARRIOR

Syntax:       FLING WARRIOR AT GROUND
Power:        2 (any)
Type:         100% Unblockable
Source:       Magical
Applications: 2

By the vibration of Klangratch, the Axe of War, any aggressive tarot cards you fling at an opponent will also damage that person. This will last for 3 flings.


ab tarot Fall   
TAROT - FALL

Syntax:       FLING FALL AT GROUND
Applications: 1

The Fall card will tap into the vibrations still emanating from the destruction of Ancient Celest and create a crumbling tower to appear in your location, which will then collapse, making it difficult to leave via some of the exits.

ab tarot Moon  
TAROT - MOON

Syntax:       FLING MOON AT <target>
Power:        2 (any)
Applications: 2
Affliction:   Delusions, Level 1/Max 4
The moon tarot will give your enemy maladies associated with delusions.

ab tarot Dreamer  
TAROT - DREAMER

Syntax:       FLING DREAMER AT <target>
Applications: 1

The Dreamer tarot will drain your target of ego and mana.

ab tarot Judge  
TAROT - JUDGE

Syntax:       FLING JUDGE AT <target>
Applications: 1
Affliction:   Health Curse, Level 1/Max 3
This tarot will bring the wrath of Juliana the Just down upon your foe.

ab tarot Starleaper  
TAROT - STARLEAPER

Syntax:       FLING STARLEAPER AT GROUND
Applications: 3

With the speed of Shanth of the Quiet Mind within you, if you are ever attacked unawares, you will immediately fly out of the room to an adjacent room at a speed that defies description. If there is no exit in the room where you are attacked, there is no effect.

ab tarot Catacombs   
TAROT - CATACOMBS

Syntax:       FLING CATACOMBS AT GROUND
              TOUCH <area>
Applications: 2

The Catacombs of the Dead tarot will allow you access to the underground passages of the late Vernal God Urlach, Master of Death, giving instant transport to many of the villages of Lusternia.

ab tarot Princess  
TAROT - PRINCESS

Syntax:       FLING PRINCESS AT GROUND
Power:        5 (any)
Applications: 5

The vibration of Princess Marilynth, who sacrificed herself so others
could start anew, will give you this same gift, allowing you to later
beseech her for aid. To do so, BESEECH PRINCESS, curing you of several
afflictions and restoring some of your health, mana and ego.

ab tarot Aeon     
TAROT - AEON

Syntax:       FLING AEON AT <target>
Applications: 2
Affliction:   Aura, Level 1/Max 5
The Aeon tarot will give the curse of the Aeon to your opponent, slowing eroding the aura through the time stream.

ab tarot Lust  
TAROT - LUST

Syntax:       FLING LUST AT <target|GROUND>
Applications: 1
Affliction:   Ego Curse, Level 1/Max 5
With this Tarot, you may instill a lust for you in another player, so that he or she will consider you an ally. If you fling the card at the ground, you will see a list of all players whom you have lusted.


ab tarot Enigma  
TAROT - ENIGMA

Syntax:       FLING ENIGMA AT GROUND
Power:        5 (any)
Applications: 5

The Enigma is a rather unique card. When you fling it at the ground, a
representation of Tzaraziko the Enigmatic will be called up and place
her mark upon you. While wearing the mark, the next tarot card you fling
at an opponent will be followed by another, random card which will
immediately be flung at that person. This will happen for the next 3
flings.

NOTE: Enigma cards are not masked by the Fool.


ab tarot Soulless  
TAROT - SOULLESS

Syntax:       RUB SOULLESS ON <target>
              SNIFF SOULLESS
              FLING SOULLESS AT <target>
Applications: 10

To attune to the Soulless Gods is a very dangerous thing to do indeed. You must first rub the card on your enemy seven times. Sniffing the card will tell you how many times you have rubbed it on your foul oppressor, while flinging it will begin the process of calling upon the vibrations of the Soulless Gods to destroy the soul of your enemy. Be warned, however, that this process takes concentration and you may not do anything else while Soulless energies become manifest.

ab tarot World   
TAROT - WORLD

Syntax:       FLING WORLD AT GROUND
Power:        5 (any)
Applications: 10

This extremely powerful card invokes the potent energies of Kiakoda,
Guardian of the Green. So long as the caster remains touching the earth,
all flings of tarot cards will shatter shields of magical protection and
go through them. This effect will last only for the first five flings
that shatter a shield.

Moi

Entanglement stacking appears to gone - QueensLament and Hangedman resulted in Entanglement 1 when used together.

Llandros

Previously, moon gave 3 affs for 2 power. Unless the delusion tree is crazy strong maybe the power cost should be dropped or have it give 2.

Silvanus

To tack onto what Llan said, Moon before gave one random affliction out of dizziness, confusion, stupidity, hypersomnia and amnesia, and was able to be used with Enigma tarot up (as in, enigma may throw a moon).

Report 1012 changed it to be the 2 power, give stupidity, dizziness and confusion all at once, and unable to be used with Enigma.

My suggestion is to either remove the power cost, or make an option to throw Moon tarot for 2 power, or moon tarot for one, and have the Moon tarot for 2 power give 2/4 or 3/5 delusions.

Otherwise, Tarot has always been one of the most balanced skillsets since Occultists back in the day. If Aeon gets re-worked in a different manner then how it does now, then tarot may need to be looked at from an offensive standpoint.

Malayn

Have you guys played with the curing yet?

Purgatives are 3s cures, herbs are 5s.  So even doing 1 aff hit at a time will outpace things it looks. Aeon spamming alone would result in perma aeon (if you eat reishi at lvl 5, you dont cure aeon, and aeon is faster than the rate of fling).

I would love to talk with a focus group on this, I cannot tell based on testing, but did we make groups better or worse? Will affs all just be a rush to do them fastest? I mean every chain gets pretty serious. EDIT: Also of note is that every aff is classed among one of phys, mental, or spiritual. So will we have focus curing and if so how is it changed, etc.

Lerad

I think slowing the rate of curing too much is not in our best interests. As far as I can see, the number of afflictions in the database are reduced, but their effects remain the same. Two levels of aura affliction gives 2 effects exactly the same as currently, and I'm not familiar with current bard affliction rate, but it looks like the speed of affliction is the same. Granted, of all the aff trees revealed so far, only the aura and delusions trees are really debilitating between level 1 and 4, since they both have command denial as level 3, as well as an actual effect on level 2. For the nerves, muscular, skin, auditory and ocular aff trees, only level 1 (2 for audi and ocu) and level 4 are actual affliction effects as we know them now. The rest are just one time damage or small effects on movement or things like that.

For aura especially, the jinx at level 3 is going to compound curing difficulty and slow curing even more. Which certainly makes it extremely potent when added with the aeon at level 4.

Also, at the moment, delusions IS crazy strong. Periodic stun isn't as potent as aeon (especially when it's the max level that a tarotist can get to, and is thus always the first cured when eating pennyroyal), but like Aura, it has command denial at level 3, which probably stacks with aura level 3. At two delusions level per throw (and assuming we don't change current herb timers), ouch.

Moi

Note that Jinx is actually Void, not the hexes affliction.

Lerad

Hrm? It's working differently from the current Jinx/Stupidity effect? If so, could you describe what it does? I haven't had the opportunity to try it for myself yet.

Neos

Lerad said:

Hrm? It's working differently from the current Jinx/Stupidity effect? If so, could you describe what it does? I haven't had the opportunity to try it for myself yet.

It works like the current void affliction and blocks commands.

Rivius

But seems to proc quite a lot more often. Under aeon it's seemed to be quite distressing, but that's just what it seemed from one round of testing.

Enyalida

Void is amnesia on crack. At one point it was 66% command rejection, I think it was nerfed down to 50% some time back?

Estarra

I'd like to point out that giving someone to level 5 should be difficult--if it's too easy, it needs to be tweaked. Some of you are making it sound more of the rule rather than the exception. If you are at a level 5 affliction, you should be in big trouble! Keep in mind that most skillsets would only have 1 or 2 (or 0) paths to a level 5 affliction so experienced fighters should realize what they need to cure and protect against.

Hiriako

I think we'll need to see the start of systems before we can really determine just what would be likely to get up to 5. My understanding is that if we have 3 skills causing nerves, but only one that goes 1/5, and two at 1/2, the first two could push us to two, then the third would have to hit 3 more times to keep us at 5, right? So it'd be easier to keep someone at a lower level of affliction rather than higher.

Moi

Estarra said:

I'd like to point out that giving someone to level 5 should be difficult--if it's too easy, it needs to be tweaked. Some of you are making it sound more of the rule rather than the exception. If you are at a level 5 affliction, you should be in big trouble! Keep in mind that most skillsets would only have 1 or 2 (or 0) paths to a level 5 affliction so experienced fighters should realize what they need to cure and protect against.

This is mostly possible with Auric due to strong self-synergy between Auric 3 and Auric 4. The time mean time* between reishi curings is 8s at level 4, which means that an attacker can get off 2 aeon tarots for every one time you can cure. If it weren't for Aeon and Void both being very strong hindering afflictions that work well together, it wouldn't be nearly as easy.

*Counting the 2 aeon delay, void failure chances and the 5s herb timer. Given by 5 + ∑ 2[1/3]^n from n=0 to infinity

Enyalida

It seems like getting people to five won't be very hard if you have any passives that are on the same cure balance.

EDIT: Or any friends in the room helping!

Steingrim

Enyalida said:

It seems like getting people to five won't be very hard if you have any passives that are on the same cure balance.

EDIT: Or any friends in the room helping!

This. Just walking though a dem into a group is likely to put you at what?

Estarra

Tarot defenses should now show on defenses btw.

Moi

So, Qoivhae made an interesting discovery:

Overhaul hallucinations (level 4 in the delusions tree and maximum effect from the Moon tarot) currently has a 25% chance of angelic visions (stun), a 25% chance of a pink bunny (also stun), a 25% chance of forcing a character to DIVE and a 25% chance of spiders erupting from your mouth (afflicts with Nerves 1/3).

In light of this, I would ask that the Moon have its power cost removed. If Aeon doesn't have a power cost, neither should Moon.

Malayn

I am disappointed in you Iytha, I expect better. Apparently there is 125% of an affliction from moon? 

That aside, yes we can remove the power cost.

Lerad

Hrm? Why should the power cost be removed? 50% chance to stun and 25% chance to get another affliction level is pretty strong. Instead of looking to make the skills more powerful and "balancing" them based on currently unbalanced afflictions like the auric affliction tree, I think we should be concentrating on the actual viability of the system, the affliction speeds and cures etc instead. If you insist something must be done, aeon should get a power cost, not the other way around.

Malayn

Because hallucinations is a level 4 aff, moon tarot does 1 level at a time. So you spent 8p if they DIDNT CURE, to get a stun.

Hiriako

Gotta agree. Moon only had a power cost because it was changed to cause 3 afflictions at once. If it's 3/4, sure, keep the power cost. If it's 1/4, remove it.

Rivius

I feel like many things will need to have their power costs adjusted depending on the strength of the tree, how fast curing eventually ends up being and how much the particular skill adds...so I wouldn't sweat it too much. The power cost is probably just an accidental carry-over.