Defenses Overhual

Daganev

Will the new defenses be maintained between temporary failures in internet connection? And how long should we expect the defenses to last? The same as before, or is there new logic behind it?

Ieptix

For the time being, it is the same as before.

Winnae

IMHO, defenses are tedious to put up.  A lot of the game can be tedious for little reason.  Why not have a command to put up all of your available defenses, one after another?

Also tedious: enchantments.  We could use a liquid rift equivalent for enchants.  Having lots of jewelry is still useful for influencing.  My suggestion would be a "powerstone" that everyone has, sort of like the cache in Aetolia, which is where you store/draw your power from as well as your enchants.  The powerstones could be org-specific and customizable and help to illustrate the use of planar skills too.  For example, Magnagorans get a shard of the Megalith.

Ssaliss

Re: enchantments, my wishlist would be:

• Keg-like container for enchantments in shops (think plinth; would be able to hold, say, 20 enchantments of a single type, and customers could BUY <enchantment> FOR <item> or something similar.
• Several enchantments on the same item. It'd draw from a single store of charges, but you'd be able to RUB <enchantment> ON <item> or something similar.
• I don't really mind the current numbers for charges, since different kinds of jewelry can have different amount of charges, and you can attach regulators to automatically recharge an item from a cube.
  

Elanorwen

Winnae said:

IMHO, defenses are tedious to put up.  A lot of the game can be tedious for little reason.  Why not have a command to put up all of your available defenses, one after another?

Also tedious: enchantments.  We could use a liquid rift equivalent for enchants.  Having lots of jewelry is still useful for influencing.  My suggestion would be a "powerstone" that everyone has, sort of like the cache in Aetolia, which is where you store/draw your power from as well as your enchants.  The powerstones could be org-specific and customizable and help to illustrate the use of planar skills too.  For example, Magnagorans get a shard of the Megalith.

Energy cubes? I really don't follow what the request here is. You don't need to run to a store to recharge anything. Just recharge from your personal cube. Attach a regulator and you don't even have to get spammed as it recharges automatically without an extra message.

Enyalida

@Winnae is saying that you'd have a special, automatic item based on your org. That item is what actually stores your power reserves, and also lets you call up all of your enchantments. 

EDIT: I also really dislike having to wear tremendous amounts of bling to cover all my basic necessities, but this is not a good suggestion. While silly in a roleplaying sense, managing enchantments is not an onerous part of the game. Personally, I would greatly slash the 'common' enchantments and abilities, rolling any necessary carry overs (like cleanse) into guild skills or common abilities. It's dumb that the majority of our utility comes from one or two skillsets that are farmed out with enchantments and artifacts. More unique guild utilities and abilities would be great.

Cyndarin

I wish we could just enchant one brooch with every enchantment and call it a day. Shopping around for 12 different items and looking like gaudy reject from the Mr T House of Bling collection is kind of annoying, but not a huge deal because they last so long.

Lerad

I actually don't mind enchantments, but I'd have liked it if artifacts were not visible as actual items, but were all runes or all attached to a single artifact-item. The Orb of Lerad, holds all of Lerad's artifact powers. That way, I won't have to think about whether Lerad is secretly a Kephera with three sets of legs and three pairs of boots.

(Sorry for the derail)

Ssaliss

Lerad said:

I actually don't mind enchantments, but I'd have liked it if artifacts were not visible as actual items, but were all runes or all attached to a single artifact-item. The Orb of Lerad, holds all of Lerad's artifact powers. That way, I won't have to think about whether Lerad is secretly a Kephera with three sets of legs and three pairs of boots.

(Sorry for the derail)

I completely agree with that, and I have a small shard of hope that this is what wonder items will essentially become. Items that everyone can create at no cost, but that has no inherent powers. Instead they can be imbued with powers by either folding existing artifacts into them or by paying credits for a power (i.e. what buying an artifact does now).

Yacsee

So a question... are my waterwalk, deathsight and nimbus defences supposed to drop all the time? The other enchantments (mercy etc) do not.

EDIT: Also Acquisitio is constantly gone! And I don't use an enchantment for that but the rituals skill. Why does it turn itself off automatically? Is that a bug?

Ieptix

Define "all the time". After logging out? After some other action? 

Yacsee

Ieptix said:

Define "all the time". After logging out? After some other action? 

After doing random quests and then twiddling my thumbs for a while. In other words: After 1-x hours of online time without me doing anything that could strip it (no arena, no combat, no hardcore mobs etc).

EDIT: I can try to keep an eye on it and figure out how long it takes to drop again after having put it up. It's been happening a couple times today already but I've not paid close attention to it, sorry.

Qistrel

Oh. Meh. I like deathsense. I don't need to see where people die. It's usually rather obvious if people are raiding/domothing/whatever. I just like knowing when they do and stuff. Now I need to buy/wear another enchantment?

Shaddus

I don't know if this is pertinent, and I haven't even really been paying attention to the overhaul, but the other day I logged in and immediately saw a deathsense without even raising the defense. I hadn't been online for a few hours, and when I checked my defenses, I didn't actually have deathsight or deathsense up.

Yacsee

EDIT: Ok I should read the news. Meh. ;(

Besides: I always thought deathsense shows some deaths that deathsight does not? Like bleeding to death. Anyone know whether this is true or not?

Ieptix

The only difference between deathsight and deathsense is that the former shows the room in which the death occurred.

Ssaliss

Well, to be fair, the first requires an enchantment and the second doesn't, which means you now need an enchanted item and charges on it (and have to upkeep them) just to see who died, even if you don't care about the room.

Winnae

I didn't know we had regulators until just now...

Xenthos

Ssaliss said:

Well, to be fair, the first requires an enchantment and the second doesn't, which means you now need an enchanted item and charges on it (and have to upkeep them) just to see who died, even if you don't care about the room.

It's another thing you have to buy and look after, even though it was just fine the way it was before... I don't really understand this change.  It doesn't actually simplify anything at all, just makes it so that you have to do more to get the thing you want (just sensing the death itself).

Allehnon

It would have been better to lose the enchantment and put the room sensing portion into deathsense. Which is actually available to everyone, not available to everyone as long as you can find it in a shop or a friendly enchanter.

Daganev

Winnae said:

  Why not have a command to put up all of your available defenses, one after another?

.

I really like this idea.

Qistrel

OVERHAUL NEWS #37
Date: 5/15/2015 at 17:33
From: Ieptix the Anomaly
To  : Everyone
Subj: Deathsight/Deathsense

Due to concerns raised after my post yesterday, instead of simply
deleting the Deathsense ability in Discernment, I have instead replaced
it with the Deathsight ability/defense, activatable via the DEATHSIGHT
command. Deathsight also remains an ability in Cosmic, and may still be
enchanted onto items for any who might not have the ability from
elsewhere or simply prefer using enchantments.
 
Penned by My hand on the 5th of Klangiary, in the year 412 CE.


I @Ieptix. Thank you!

Yacsee

@Ieptix: So my enchantment defences went poof again. I neither logged out nor died. Could it be that they get reset or something when you load defence changes?

Rivius

Maybe make it instead so that you must have deathsense up to raise death sight.

At the moment, the current solution screws cosmic out of a unique skill and makes the wonderwand power mostly worthless.

Skye

I'd kind of like to see something replace the wonderwand ability, since anybody with that much wand is bound to have that much Discernment already.

Ieptix

Yacsee said:

@Ieptix: So my enchantment defences went poof again. I neither logged out nor died. Could it be that they get reset or something when you load defence changes?

I've just loaded up some logging for defences being lost. Message me in-game next time it happens and I'll check where it's coming from.

Yacsee

Messaged you, thank you. (Just lost them again -.-). Am I the only one having this problem... *confused*

Qistrel

Mine vanished too at some point...didn't notice when

Yacsee

Oh good.. I mean not good, but I was starting to be afraid it's something I am doing and just stupidly not realizing it would/might strip defs. >_<

Gonna keep an eye on it and message Ieptix when it happens again! (Thank you for trying to figure it out!)

Ciaran

Idea for a boost for cosmic to replace deathsight:

Aethersense - If you don't have the aethersight skills, gives a % chance to detect scry attempts. If you do, scry attempts tell you their location.

Rivius

I don't think enchantments that replicate existing common skills will be worth anyone's money. You will have some business from newbies, but only for a little while, and less so than a unique skill that isn't accessible otherwise. I think the idea of some sort of automatic "return scry" is cool, but kind of powerful for a simple enchantment. That's better given to an artifact or guild-only skill.