SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
Greetings, everyone! I am the new Shu. (Since @Xeria has left the game.)
Give me like a minute to play catch-up. I will likely post a tl;dr version of everything that's happened so far just to wrap my brain around where we are right now. (I've been reading up this whole time but casual bus reading does not mafia-analyzing make, ahem.)
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I'm not reading half of these posts, because it seems like 70% of them are Riluna and Synkarin pointing fingers at each other and calling each other scum for pointing fingers. For all we know, they're both scum who are colluding to throw suspicion off if they oppose each other.
Yes, a real wellspring of information there. And yes, I'd call those five posts you made during day one "not many", especially since none of them really said anything of essence.
Also, re: my vote on Enyalida: As I said way back there, that was not random at all. I even pointed out that I'd explain later, which I did.
In addition, how on earth are we supposed to know why you vote for not lynching anyone when you never explain why you vote for not lynching anyone? Information is key here: If we don't know why we act the way we act, it's little better than random votes.
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SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
I would like to UNVOTE CELINA because I am currently not convinced of her scum status.
She seems to be drawing far, far too much attention to herself and taking too many risks for her to be scum in my eyes. She's claimed a role on Day 1, been clear about her actions, and even listed a strange vision power another player used on her that a good deal many people so far find strange and difficult to follow. I'm not even sure it's a regular Mafia power (Anyone else read up on that?). My point is, this doesn't strike me as a move a scum player would make; it'd be simpler to keep it to yourself and slip under the radar.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Thanks for posting those. Considering I have nothing that would help us, I think I've done a decent job of participating.
Either way, I'm done with the third degree simply because you don't like being voted for. Does anyone else have something actually meaningful to contribute?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
At first, I would find it hard to believe that the scum have their own protector/blocker but let's assume they do.
Celina said she saw a Chimaera when trying to investigate someone. She later implied that this someone was Ssaliss. Seeing a chimaera when targetting someone sounds awful like a protection rather than a block. @Celina , could you restate how you saw this chimaera exactly?
Now, it could be that Celina has made all this up in an effort to frame Ssaliss and make us think that he was protected by the mafia. Or he could really have been protected and the mafia are using their protecting powers to mislead those with night powers.
@Celina , could you restate how you saw this chimaera exactly?
She specifically can't do that, it counts as posting role pms.
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Right, but I can say that I approached Ssaliss and as soon as I got close to him, a large, unknown chimaera scared me off. That's the general gist of it.
As a note, Shaddus's posts come across as Shaddus just being Shaddus. Which isn't to say he's guilty or not, but they do seem very much in character for him.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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Wasn't an insult. You're just posting like you normally post. My point is that there's nothing unusual or wrong about that, to me.
I think Ssaliss is honest. A protector from all powers seems odd. Is there usually such a role that prevents all night powers from being used on said person? It's seems really powerful
I'm still down to go for Shaddus here, his answers didn't really clarfiy, he's just rolling with things at this point.
Like I said, there's jailer, which is both protect and roleblock one person. It's a staple role on Town of Salem, where it can also choose to execute the prisoner, but that would be ludicrously overpowered in the hands of scum.
Ascetic which cannot be targeted by night actions other than kills. (Reflexive roleblocking) Bulletproof is the reverse, cannot be targeted by kills but other night actions still work. (Reflexive self-doctor)
Part of the reason I am leaning more on the bulletproof side is because it is always a possibility that the mafia attempted a night kill on someone who is bulletproof twice (perhaps thinking it was an x-shot immunity). Accounting for why there haven't been kills two nights in a row.
If it's not x-shot then the mafia would need to kill this person off with a lynch.
Can we come to any consensus on who we generally find trustworthy?
I do believe I trust Celina, for the same reasons Sylandra outlined above. And because of that, and how the days have played out so far, I trust Luce as well.
Sylandra's inherited Xeria's role, and we all seemed to think that by virtue of the night moving forward, Shu was probably not scum.
For example, what actually makes you trust Luce? If you trust him because he protected Celina, that's also a reason for why the scum might do so.
Also, while I'm neither here nor there on "Shu", the night moving forward can mean either they're a vanilla townie or just a mafia goon. (either would not need to act in the night and therefore not prevent it from progressing)
I suppose I'm used to mafia needing to be unanimous on who they're killing, so one inactive scum even without a power would delay it. (Though in that event it's still possible Kira made an allowance for the absent player.)
"'Cause the fighting don't stop till I walk in." -Synkarin's Lament.
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SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
I can clear up some confusion re: how the night progressed. I am neither a vanilla townie nor a mafia goon. The night simply progressed without my action being taken. So yes, Kira got tired of being held hostage by waiting on an inactive player.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
At this point I don't feel like we're going anywhere. Ssaliss could have been jailed, that seems more likely than a scum roleblocker.
The question is, do we need to lynch someone? If yes, then who.
I don't know that we do.
Vote: None
... Are you seriously trying to argue for a no-lynch on day three?
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SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
For what it's worth I've played plenty of games with scum roleblockers. I think it's perfectly likely.
While not a consensus, this is who I feel least comfortable lynching so far:
I'm disinclined to vote Luce since he seems to have a Governor power which is traditionally town; it'd be OP to give lynch blocking to scum, and I've never seen it done. I've already stated why I don't want to lynch Celina. Saran has also been fairly consistent in his explanations.
However, I agree with Ssaliss that a lynch should happen today. I note that Ssaliss and Shaddus have both gotten votes and attention (then again, so have I through Xeria, who @Siam voted for). So YMMV.
Between the two options presented, I feel Shaddus has contributed less to the discussion, which leads me to suspect he either truly has nothing to contribute due to the virtue of his role, or he is mafia and trying to play it on the down low. There's a part of me that feels Ssaliss's strange chimaera guard is fishy, but that might not even be Ssaliss's doing.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Celina seems honest to me, as do you (I don't buy that because you were jailed/Celina was blocked that you're guilty)
Shaddus may be dodging questions, but no one else seems to be on that bandwagon.
I'm pretty much asking what do we want to do now? No one is really acting, there isn't really any more information to gather, we're just kind of sitting on our thumbs at this point. Moving forward is better than not progressing at all.
Oops, missed the question while I was typing up my response
It's not that I trust Ssaliss so much as I don't buy the big scary chimaera as evidence of his guilt. I feel it's far more likely that Celina was blocked by a scum roleblocker (why she was the obvious choice I already stated) or that Ssaliss was 'jailed' and that was why she was unable to track him. Those don't scream 'guilty' to me, more just luck of the draw. The message Celina is relaying is ambigous and could really be either of these things with the 'big scary chimaera' being the roleblocker or the jailer.
I agree that Shaddus is either really not able to help, or he's a low-lying scum. I already voted for him earlier based on this, so I'm not really opposed to doing so again. I'm just trying to get things rolling one way or the other.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I just don't get it. I'm not dodging any questions, I've explained myself several times, and Ssaliss is only voting for me because I voted for him first. Screw it.
UNVOTE, VOTE:SHADDUS
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I'm just going to let myself be lynched. Not because I'm not enjoying the game, but because I can't spend all my time reposting the same crap about why I've taken the actions I did, and nobody seems to be able to read my posts. I've got nothing to help the group.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Also, I have to admit I'm not sure why people draw the conclusion "scary chimaera means scum". As I said earlier, odds are there are chimaeras on both sides of this. Odds are there are also humans on both sides. Let's not make the logical fallacy of "The bad guy is a chimaera, so all chimaeras must be bad guys".
Also, I have to admit I'm not sure why people draw the conclusion "scary chimaera means scum". As I said earlier, odds are there are chimaeras on both sides of this. Odds are there are also humans on both sides. Let's not make the logical fallacy of "The bad guy is a chimaera, so all chimaeras must be bad guys".
That wasn't ever said or implied by me. That you have a chimaera watching over you and scaring people off when our doctor is dead is enough cause to question it. Not because "scary" implies mafia.
I don't know. I got the impression from Rilunas role that she wasn't a chimaera, at least. I assumed there were both humans and chimaeras around, and that the only reason no one said anything (other than Xeria, from what I can recall right now) was because people didn't want to draw unwarranted suspicion on themselves.
Also, I have to admit I'm not sure why people draw the conclusion "scary chimaera means scum". As I said earlier, odds are there are chimaeras on both sides of this. Odds are there are also humans on both sides. Let's not make the logical fallacy of "The bad guy is a chimaera, so all chimaeras must be bad guys".
That wasn't ever said or implied by me. That you have a chimaera watching over you and scaring people off when our doctor is dead is enough cause to question it. Not because "scary" implies mafia.
It wasn't really directed at you specifically, just a general pointer. There have been several comments about "a scary chimaera" is somehow suspect. I assumed people were suspicious about the chimaera part of it, since being scary isn't really that big of an issue.
Either that, or I misunderstood people. Yes, I realise that you made the argument that it was suspicious that I was protected/you were blocked, but it seemed to me that others latched on to the "scary chimaera" part.
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(this is where I vote for him)
Yes, a real wellspring of information there. And yes, I'd call those five posts you made during day one "not many", especially since none of them really said anything of essence.
Also, re: my vote on Enyalida: As I said way back there, that was not random at all. I even pointed out that I'd explain later, which I did.
In addition, how on earth are we supposed to know why you vote for not lynching anyone when you never explain why you vote for not lynching anyone? Information is key here: If we don't know why we act the way we act, it's little better than random votes.
Either way, I'm done with the third degree simply because you don't like being voted for. Does anyone else have something actually meaningful to contribute?
Celina said she saw a Chimaera when trying to investigate someone. She later implied that this someone was Ssaliss. Seeing a chimaera when targetting someone sounds awful like a protection rather than a block. @Celina , could you restate how you saw this chimaera exactly?
Now, it could be that Celina has made all this up in an effort to frame Ssaliss and make us think that he was protected by the mafia. Or he could really have been protected and the mafia are using their protecting powers to mislead those with night powers.
Ascetic which cannot be targeted by night actions other than kills. (Reflexive roleblocking)
Bulletproof is the reverse, cannot be targeted by kills but other night actions still work. (Reflexive self-doctor)
Part of the reason I am leaning more on the bulletproof side is because it is always a possibility that the mafia attempted a night kill on someone who is bulletproof twice (perhaps thinking it was an x-shot immunity). Accounting for why there haven't been kills two nights in a row.
If it's not x-shot then the mafia would need to kill this person off with a lynch.
I do believe I trust Celina, for the same reasons Sylandra outlined above. And because of that, and how the days have played out so far, I trust Luce as well.
Sylandra's inherited Xeria's role, and we all seemed to think that by virtue of the night moving forward, Shu was probably not scum.
For example, what actually makes you trust Luce? If you trust him because he protected Celina, that's also a reason for why the scum might do so.
Also, while I'm neither here nor there on "Shu", the night moving forward can mean either they're a vanilla townie or just a mafia goon. (either would not need to act in the night and therefore not prevent it from progressing)
... Are you seriously trying to argue for a no-lynch on day three?
While not a consensus, this is who I feel least comfortable lynching so far:
I'm disinclined to vote Luce since he seems to have a Governor power which is traditionally town; it'd be OP to give lynch blocking to scum, and I've never seen it done. I've already stated why I don't want to lynch Celina. Saran has also been fairly consistent in his explanations.
However, I agree with Ssaliss that a lynch should happen today. I note that Ssaliss and Shaddus have both gotten votes and attention (then again, so have I through Xeria, who @Siam voted for). So YMMV.
Between the two options presented, I feel Shaddus has contributed less to the discussion, which leads me to suspect he either truly has nothing to contribute due to the virtue of his role, or he is mafia and trying to play it on the down low. There's a part of me that feels Ssaliss's strange chimaera guard is fishy, but that might not even be Ssaliss's doing.
@Synkarin can I ask why you trust Ssaliss?
VOTE: SHADDUS
UNVOTE, VOTE:SHADDUS
It wasn't really directed at you specifically, just a general pointer. There have been several comments about "a scary chimaera" is somehow suspect. I assumed people were suspicious about the chimaera part of it, since being scary isn't really that big of an issue.
Either that, or I misunderstood people. Yes, I realise that you made the argument that it was suspicious that I was protected/you were blocked, but it seemed to me that others latched on to the "scary chimaera" part.