Because someone could suicide and join a family over and over with a lot of characters, not breaking HELP SECONDS, and that takes away the honor you got from that person joining.
Because someone could suicide and join a family over and over with a lot of characters, not breaking HELP SECONDS, and that takes away the honor you got from that person joining.
I'm fairly certain this sounds like something that could be Issued, as the person is clearly abusing characters/alts.
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
EveriineWise Old Swordsbird / BrontaurIndianapolis, IN, USA
If a lot of characters suddenly started joining the family and then quitting afterward, I'd be suspicious.
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
Without being biased or invested in any family whatsoever, doesn't honour loss from suicides make it so family members are more keen on continuously engaging each other in positive interactions, rather "now that I've adopted you I no longer care what you do"?
Without being biased or invested in any family whatsoever, doesn't honour loss from suicides make it so family members are more keen on continuously engaging each other in positive interactions, rather "now that I've adopted you I no longer care what you do"?
While most of this is true, most people would just go inactive rather than suicide. How many times have you just stopped logging into an account for a game you don't bother playing anymore rather than close the account altogether?
I retired/suicided characters that I have no interest/no plan on playing anymore, I asked Ayisdra before hand if suicide hurt family honour and he said he couldn't remember but didn't think it did.
I'm really not sure why suiciding characters affects honours though, that shouldn't be a thing.
Slight derail: Does retiring do anything to family honour?
EDIT: Don't worry a total of....4? characters were played seriously enough to get families (And two of those I've kept one of those retired), I'm not going to tank your honours.
I retired/suicided characters that I have no interest/no plan on playing anymore, I asked Ayisdra before hand if suicide hurt family honour and he said he couldn't remember but didn't think it did.
I'm really not sure why suiciding characters affects honours though, that shouldn't be a thing.
Slight derail: Does retiring do anything to family honour?
EDIT: Don't worry a total of....4? characters were played seriously enough to get families (And two of those I've kept one of those retired), I'm not going to tank your honours.
I knew suicide made the character inactive but didn't think there were any honour hits.
I looked at the logs and saw we will still head of the Nightshades as before by what appeared to be the same amount after the fact when you asked me, as such, I said I didn't notice anything. But it seems the honour hit came in the upkeep (which I didn't even think about checking), unless I'm blind in what the honour numbers were before.
But yeah, suicideing a character shouldn't be doing anything to honour.
I don't really care that she suicided and we lost a family member and a little bit of honor. There are a lot of people coming and going lately, so fine, whatever.
My issue is with the resultant activity penalty. If at any point you lose honor, your activity for the year (FAMILY HOUSESTATUS) is zeroed out, and then a penalty is applied on top of that, putting you in a hole.
With 3 days before the end of the game year, we were at 100% of the annual activity required. All good, no problems.
Naime suicided, and we were bumped back to -100% activity, meaning we now need 200% worth of tics in 3 days, or we get penalized a second time for failing to meet the activity quota.
EveriineWise Old Swordsbird / BrontaurIndianapolis, IN, USA
Wait, what? You can be gaining honour all year, and one slip in honour zeroes you out completely?
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
Yes, and it's not pro-rated depending on how late in the year it is (at least it doesn't appear to be), so if you lose honor at the end of the year, you're in a can't-win situation, no matter how hard you work.
EveriineWise Old Swordsbird / BrontaurIndianapolis, IN, USA
What the hell...
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
Also just to clarify, I'm not bitching for an immediate change. I'm just bitching cause I'm annoyed by the probable double-tap, and I stayed up way too late bashing.
Also just to clarify, I'm not bitching for an immediate change. I'm just bitching cause I'm annoyed by the probable double-tap, and I stayed up way too late bashing.
It's a bitch. I've been in the same position trying desperately to make up the massive malus from people renouncing. (Like the other Chirbo alt that was inactive and only came back to renounce then disappeared again forever. )
He was being facetious, but you've got a track record of being pretty flippant/dismissive of other people in various ways or trying to be edgy. Whether you meant to screw various families over or not, you did take actions that had lasting effects.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
He was being facetious, but you've got a track record of being pretty flippant/dismissive of other people in various ways or trying to be edgy. Whether you meant to screw various families over or not, you did take actions that had lasting effects.
Yes, and it's not pro-rated depending on how late in the year it is (at least it doesn't appear to be), so if you lose honor at the end of the year, you're in a can't-win situation, no matter how hard you work.
and one more reason why the family system is EXTREMELY FLAWED and needs a -major- overhaul!
There are a lot of things that need attention now that the overhaul is mostly done (it has taken a lot of resources for a long time). I don't think a full overhaul is on the table any time soon. A few small tweaks would go a long way though. Ieptix already said he was looking at this particular issue when he has a few moments. I am hoping that @Estarra will take my artifact idea to allow families to grow even with inactive spouses (essentially: if your spouse is unranked, you can buy a one-use artifact that lets you start the adoption as if your spouse consented). Helps for those situations where the spouse is the one who married into the family, so divorcing would only make the problem worse (not better). It would also be a relatively easy modification I think, vs. what a full overhaul would entail.
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I knew suicide made the character inactive but didn't think there were any honour hits.
I looked at the logs and saw we will still head of the Nightshades as before by what appeared to be the same amount after the fact when you asked me, as such, I said I didn't notice anything. But it seems the honour hit came in the upkeep (which I didn't even think about checking), unless I'm blind in what the honour numbers were before.
But yeah, suicideing a character shouldn't be doing anything to honour.
My issue is with the resultant activity penalty. If at any point you lose honor, your activity for the year (FAMILY HOUSESTATUS) is zeroed out, and then a penalty is applied on top of that, putting you in a hole.
With 3 days before the end of the game year, we were at 100% of the annual activity required. All good, no problems.
Naime suicided, and we were bumped back to -100% activity, meaning we now need 200% worth of tics in 3 days, or we get penalized a second time for failing to meet the activity quota.
Punitive suckfest.
Vive l'apostrophe!
Vive l'apostrophe!
Also just to clarify, I'm not bitching for an immediate change. I'm just bitching cause I'm annoyed by the probable double-tap, and I stayed up way too late bashing.
Vive l'apostrophe!
It's a bitch. I've been in the same position trying desperately to make up the massive malus from people renouncing. (Like the other Chirbo alt that was inactive and only came back to renounce then disappeared again forever. )