Kalliste has sacrificed herself for the resurrection of Camberre. 4890h, 5700m, 7200e, 10p, 21900en, 26400w mBelrxkb- Camberre has been easily bested by a Kusala of the Tahtetso.
This is just wrong, any way you slice it.
@Ieptix, something needs to be put in place along the same lines of that fleshmound changelog, wherein Gaudis can't take corpses of enemies to reanimate them anymore.
EDIT: And for those who think I'm metagaming, I flip to you the bird. Maligorn would be rightfully outraged by this -- he thinks there is an art to war, and doing something heinous like that not only contradicts that but also what he thinks Celest should be like.
You make it sound like I ripped his soul out, then forced his soul to walk to the Pool of Stars and hang out there talking. I guess souls shouldn't go hang out in enemy territory while their enemy statuses are hidden from their honours, but I do like the idea of hard-coding limitations such that enemies cannot be resurrected in enemy territory.
I guess what you're saying is that after your guards killed him, you had this odd idea that he might not actually be an enemy and you decided to try and and save him?
You know what you did, and you did it on purpose
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Kalliste has sacrificed herself for the resurrection of Camberre. 4890h, 5700m, 7200e, 10p, 21900en, 26400w mBelrxkb- Camberre has been easily bested by a Kusala of the Tahtetso.
This is just wrong, any way you slice it.
@Ieptix, something needs to be put in place along the same lines of that fleshmound changelog, wherein Gaudis can't take corpses of enemies to reanimate them anymore.
EDIT: And for those who think I'm metagaming, I flip to you the bird. Maligorn would be rightfully outraged by this -- he thinks there is an art to war, and doing something heinous like that not only contradicts that but also what he thinks Celest should be like.
You make it sound like I ripped his soul out, then forced his soul to walk to the Pool of Stars and hang out there talking. I guess souls shouldn't go hang out in enemy territory while their enemy statuses are hidden from their honours, but I do like the idea of hard-coding limitations such that enemies cannot be resurrected in enemy territory.
I guess what you're saying is that after your guards killed him, you had this odd idea that he might not actually be an enemy and you decided to try and and save him?
You know what you did, and you did it on purpose
The guards never killed him to my knowledge. I was sitting there influencing and he walked in as a soul.
You still shouldn't resurrect someone with the suffix "Taintbeard", lol
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Does Sacrifice only work if the soul is in the room with you? I don't think so...and I think it brings the body back to you wherever it is...
If that's not the case, then I am a little mollified, but still stand by my demands(tm) to the coders.
I'm shocked, Maligorn, that you don't know how this skill works; I assumed you would do your homework before spending half an hour crying about this in clanchat and then messaging city leaders. The soul has to be in the room with you.
Sacrifice Give up your own life to save the soul of another.
Mythical 0%
Syntax: STARCHANT SACRIFICE <target> Power: 10 or 1 (Pool of Stars) If
there is no body of your fallen comrade, you may still bring him or her
back from the dead, but this will take the ultimate sacrifice...of your
life. Bringing back another student of Sacraments costs 1 power, while
all others will cost 10.
^ This would've been the extent of my "homework"; I use Xiel's site for almost everything. Nowhere does it say the soul has to be in the same room as you.
I'm shocked that people let me carry on without telling me the whole story. Miscommunication is a real mother, isn't it?
I dunno. To me, a more entertaining action would have been to sit there and chat with the fellow while his mana/essence ticks down over time. If he was being rude, there is always snub and he can do absolutely nothing. The spirit of the skill sacrifice was most likely never meant to be used in that fashion. I can do it, too... but you don't see me rezzing enemy combatants after they die in the middle of a hostile group, do you?
Another point... he can now most likely issue for misuse of the skill and it might get changed... and the user - punished. On the other hand, if the trespasser was being a knucklehead and making a nuisance of himself, you could have just as well issued him over attempted harassment in soul form.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
Kalliste has sacrificed herself for the resurrection of Camberre. 4890h, 5700m, 7200e, 10p, 21900en, 26400w mBelrxkb- Camberre has been easily bested by a Kusala of the Tahtetso.
This is just wrong, any way you slice it.
@Ieptix, something needs to be put in place along the same lines of that fleshmound changelog, wherein Gaudis can't take corpses of enemies to reanimate them anymore.
EDIT: And for those who think I'm metagaming, I flip to you the bird. Maligorn would be rightfully outraged by this -- he thinks there is an art to war, and doing something heinous like that not only contradicts that but also what he thinks Celest should be like.
EDIT 2: READNEWS ANNOUNCE 2399
For Kalliste to have sacrificed, his soul would have had to have been at the Pool of Stars.
If you look at it, he was in enemy territory. If he was alive, he'd have been slain. If he was sitting at the Pool he was most likely spying or listening for any information, how else do you get rid of him?
Kalliste has sacrificed herself for the resurrection of Camberre. 4890h, 5700m, 7200e, 10p, 21900en, 26400w mBelrxkb- Camberre has been easily bested by a Kusala of the Tahtetso.
This is just wrong, any way you slice it.
@Ieptix, something needs to be put in place along the same lines of that fleshmound changelog, wherein Gaudis can't take corpses of enemies to reanimate them anymore.
EDIT: And for those who think I'm metagaming, I flip to you the bird. Maligorn would be rightfully outraged by this -- he thinks there is an art to war, and doing something heinous like that not only contradicts that but also what he thinks Celest should be like.
EDIT 2: READNEWS ANNOUNCE 2399
For Kalliste to have sacrificed, his soul would have had to have been at the Pool of Stars.
If you look at it, he was in enemy territory. If he was alive, he'd have been slain. If he was sitting at the Pool he was most likely spying or listening for any information, how else do you get rid of him?
Snub, issue for misuse of the soul, not talk out loud about important business? It's not that hard if you use your brain. If he was trashtalking though, w/e. Both are in the wrong.
And yes, with the precedent of announce 2399, I think all ress abilities (besides Heartstone, because the user goes TO the soul's location rather than the soul and body coming to him/her). Resurgem, Sacrifice, Resurrect, and the new Cantor ress.
Really, the most elegant solution is to add an AGREE/ACCEPT syntax to all revives, instead of picking and choosing which and screwing around with ally lists postmortem. Agree syntaxes can't be cheesed with ORDER commands, and you won't have to worry about either black or white listing.
You feel <person> reach out to your soul, attempting to revive you. Do you ACCEPT their help?
Really, the most elegant solution is to add an AGREE/ACCEPT syntax to all revives, instead of picking and choosing which and screwing around with ally lists postmortem. Agree syntaxes can't be cheesed with ORDER commands, and you won't have to worry about either black or white listing.
You feel <person> reach out to your soul, attempting to revive you. Do you ACCEPT their help?
The only problem with this is that I quite often resurrect people who died because they lost link or whatever. Just implement code that doesn't allow someone to be resurrected in enemy city territory, underwater, etc.
Really, the most elegant solution is to add an AGREE/ACCEPT syntax to all revives, instead of picking and choosing which and screwing around with ally lists postmortem. Agree syntaxes can't be cheesed with ORDER commands, and you won't have to worry about either black or white listing.
You feel <person> reach out to your soul, attempting to revive you. Do you ACCEPT their help?
The only problem with this is that I quite often resurrect people who died because they lost link or whatever. Just implement code that doesn't allow someone to be resurrected in enemy city territory, underwater, etc.
That sounds like really complicated code.
EDIT: Not to mention that you very much might want/need to be ressurected inside enemy territory... just on your own terms.
How about: Make one exception - that a city member immolating another city member at their shared nexus always goes through. It shouldn't be difficult to work in a single exception where it's auto-AGREE'd too, and that's a pretty risk free option everyone has access to.
I can't lie, I've resurrected Celestia raiders at the Pool before. It's funny.
I mean..uh..horrible misuse of skills. Yeah.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Might not be that simple of an idea but I once tried Aetolia (I didn't last long) and the thing that stood out to me above all it's content and guilds and vampires and things I don't even remember was it's fantastic -fantastic- emote system. For those not in the know if you did quotations around what you were saying in the emote it came out as teal (or whatever your 'says' colour is) within it while the action stuff stayed grey. If we could get this for lusternia that would be awesome.
I would settle for multi coloured emotes on the stage, that alone would make me so so happy. Even if it was a nightmare in stage directions.
Been there. Tried to get that. Still don't have it.
We can't even get chocolate comms or an easier way to get honey.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
You have emoted: Lillie n'Lochli agrees with a sad nod of her head. "D-damn shame," she whispers.
The Necromentate's mind opens to you, and a grotesque, demonic figure appears in your mind's eye, screaming in torment: "THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora. A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all! Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
... pretty certain rezzing into guards is issuable; weren't there problems with accidental resurgems? And "I didn't know he was an enemy" doesn't work when you're a member of the org in question and can check CITY ENEMIES.
And ... spying? If he was not enemied, then he's just going to be there alive. If he was enemied, he's going to be a soul again in a moment, 500k essence poorer ... and you'll have abused resurrect.
Besides which it's not like he's going to stay there forever - that's what the inherent mana drain of being a soul does. You pray/phoenix or you lose a ton of essence.
You could also drop eye sigils around the place as a preventative or to stop him coming back!
We wouldn't need mechanical changes if you didn't do things like this.
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I'd have a problem with someone resurrecting me into a pack of guards if my soul was somewhere else.
But if I'm standing there as a soul at the pack of guards already, it's my own fault if I get resurrected there.
Telling the difference between the two from a mechanical standpoint is difficult, though.
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
I'd have a problem with someone resurrecting me into a pack of guards if my soul was somewhere else.
But if I'm standing there as a soul at the pack of guards already, it's my own fault if I get resurrected there.
Telling the difference between the two from a mechanical standpoint is difficult, though.
Sorry, but... no. There aren't that many skills that can resurrect a soul, for instance... and some of them even require preparation with the target before dying. Sure, if you stand at guards to snoop... big whoopty do. Whoever discussed organization secrets in says at the nexus? On that note, I'm also trying to remember what happens when a dreamweaver dies in dreambody and where their soul goes... where the body originally was? Or does it stay where the dreambody was? Are you going to tell me THAT particular deal is okay to resurrect too if you were doing something naughty there and got killed fair and square? Where does it end? Will someone then grab the corpse and rezz that at the guards again, repeat ad infinitum? Your soul is at the guards after all, you brought it there!
Skills like that are NOT meant to be used in that particular fashion. Reviving an enemy to be instantly killed by guards/kill squad is most certainly not okay, and the fact that this was done and that people are defending it makes me sad. What's to prevent people repeatedly reviving your own dear self running for Nature seal in Limbo (for instance) over and over and then repeatedly killing you down to newbieland?
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
Might not be that simple of an idea but I once tried Aetolia (I didn't last long) and the thing that stood out to me above all it's content and guilds and vampires and things I don't even remember was it's fantastic -fantastic- emote system. For those not in the know if you did quotations around what you were saying in the emote it came out as teal (or whatever your 'says' colour is) within it while the action stuff stayed grey. If we could get this for lusternia that would be awesome.
I would settle for multi coloured emotes on the stage, that alone would make me so so happy. Even if it was a nightmare in stage directions.
So I don't know about emotes but for the multi-coloured emotes for the stage... Serenwilde has a quest where you can get a memory crystal and when you play it, it has some multi-coloured things. Is it possible for something to be set up for players making memory crystals for the stage and have those be multi-coloured?
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I guess what you're saying is that after your guards killed him, you had this odd idea that he might not actually be an enemy and you decided to try and and save him?
You know what you did, and you did it on purpose
You still shouldn't resurrect someone with the suffix "Taintbeard", lol
If that's not the case, then I am a little mollified, but still stand by my demands(tm) to the coders.
Power: 10 or 1 (Pool of Stars)
If there is no body of your fallen comrade, you may still bring him or her back from the dead, but this will take the ultimate sacrifice...of your life. Bringing back another student of Sacraments costs 1 power, while all others will cost 10.
^ This would've been the extent of my "homework"; I use Xiel's site for almost everything. Nowhere does it say the soul has to be in the same room as you.
Another point... he can now most likely issue for misuse of the skill and it might get changed... and the user - punished. On the other hand, if the trespasser was being a knucklehead and making a nuisance of himself, you could have just as well issued him over attempted harassment in soul form.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
I'd be shocked if this was the first time this has happened in the past x years of Sacraments being available to the community.
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Yes I'm a girl
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Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
EDIT: Anyway! Derailing! My bad! -ducks-
== Professional Girl Gamer ==
Yes I play games
Yes I'm a girl
get over it
How about: Make one exception - that a city member immolating another city member at their shared nexus always goes through. It shouldn't be difficult to work in a single exception where it's auto-AGREE'd too, and that's a pretty risk free option everyone has access to.
I mean..uh..horrible misuse of skills. Yeah.
We can't even get chocolate comms or an easier way to get honey.
"THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora.
A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all!
Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
But if I'm standing there as a soul at the pack of guards already, it's my own fault if I get resurrected there.
Telling the difference between the two from a mechanical standpoint is difficult, though.
Skills like that are NOT meant to be used in that particular fashion. Reviving an enemy to be instantly killed by guards/kill squad is most certainly not okay, and the fact that this was done and that people are defending it makes me sad. What's to prevent people repeatedly reviving your own dear self running for Nature seal in Limbo (for instance) over and over and then repeatedly killing you down to newbieland?
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.