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Re: Economy - Trade Revamp
Orael said:I'm going to refer you to the overview post that explains why we're doing this.
Basically, the idea here is you're building proficiency to prevent grinding as much so you can sell things cheaper and more efficiently.
So the overarching vision is to:
- Have players grind to build proficiency that will reduce grinding in the long term. And then since proficiency will drop every year, players will have to continue to grind in order to grind less.
- Players will have to specialize in a game that does not have the population to support specialization.
- Instead of allowing all trades to aethertrade, no aethertrading will be allowed by any trades so aethergoop will essentially become a premium only currency.
- Remove all mechanical incentive for players to trans a trade skill, so that only players who are interested in the creative aspects of the game will fully trans trade skills, further increasing scarcity.
Sulwh
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Shop Changes - Economy
This is the plan to change up our shopping system and how they function. One of the major goals of the economy revamp is to create a system that allows for players to easily opt-out of it, and participate at a minimum but still get the items they need to participate in the game. The major way to accomplish this goal will be through the shopping system. This is why we want to allow every trade skill the ability to sell each of their products or services through a shop someway (see the TradeRevamp) for more details.
For our artisan skills that sell designs made by players, these NPC mobs will also sell items from the public catalog. We will potentially allow villages to sell more thematic items for their village as well as allowing orgs to have NPC's that sell items from their org cartels. They will sell these items similar to what we are proposing for player shops below.
We currently have the following artisan trade skills that will benefit from this new functionality: Artisan(Carpentry), Bookbinding, Cooking, Brewmeister, Forging, Jewellery, Tailoring, and Tattoos.
All shops already come with one NPC shopkeeper that runs the shop while the player is not around. With this change, players will be able to assign this shopkeeper to a certain artisan trade skill. once this is assigned, the player will be allowed to select designs, either public or private, that they wish to sell in their shop. We'll likely start with a limit of 25, with the possibility to increase it. Cartel owners will be able to flag designs to not be sellable in shops at all. Buyers would be able to buy these listed designs from the shop, and the NPC shopkeeper will make these items with the shopkeeper's proficiency. Special commodities (such as corpses etc) will require the buyers to have in hand when making those designs, but the general commodities will be taken from the shop rift.
Shopkeepers would price the designs they want to sell.
Additionally, shopkeepers would be able to pay for additional NPC shopkeepers to help run their shop and be assigned additional trade skills. The cost to add these has not been determined yet, but would potentially be a yearly upkeep gold cost to maintain, scaling with how many additional shopkeepers/traders you have (the first one is always free).
We will continue to allow shopkeepers to have others stock their shop, but we will now allow shopkeepers to allow these additional players to sell through their shopkeepers. Shopkeepers would be able to assign a player to a trade for an NPC, and that NPC would then make the designs/goods based on the assigned player's proficiency rather than their own. ie: Bob can assign Tammy to do all his jewelry sales because he's at 0% proficiency while Tammy is 100%, the NPC will make items based on Tammy's proficiency instead. Tammy will get to decide what jewelry designs she sells in Bob's shop, not Bob, as she is the jewelry expert (but Bob can always unassign her if he doesn't like what she's selling). This will allow players to have a one-stop-shop if they employ multiple players to help stock/run their shops. We will be looking at having a portion of the proceeds (determined by the shopkeeper) always go to the assigned player. ie If Tammy sells a cool necklace, she'll automatically get her cut of the sale and wouldn't need Bob to give it to her.
We're considering adding ways that shopkeepers can purchase straight from an org rift or something rather than relying on having their own rift stocked up but will still need to work out those details.
NPC Shops
To ensure that services and supplies are readily available at all times, we'll be introducing NPC shops that sell these items. NPC's will sell everything from herbs and comms to public designs. These NPC's will be selling things at a markedly higher price to allow players and encourage them to sell for less. They additionally will buy things for a fraction of the cost as well. Prices will fluctuate depending on a variety of factors.For our artisan skills that sell designs made by players, these NPC mobs will also sell items from the public catalog. We will potentially allow villages to sell more thematic items for their village as well as allowing orgs to have NPC's that sell items from their org cartels. They will sell these items similar to what we are proposing for player shops below.
Player Shops
Player shops will continue to function as they do now, where they place an item at the stockroom and price it, but we will add more mechanics to enhance the shopkeeper's abilities.We currently have the following artisan trade skills that will benefit from this new functionality: Artisan(Carpentry), Bookbinding, Cooking, Brewmeister, Forging, Jewellery, Tailoring, and Tattoos.
All shops already come with one NPC shopkeeper that runs the shop while the player is not around. With this change, players will be able to assign this shopkeeper to a certain artisan trade skill. once this is assigned, the player will be allowed to select designs, either public or private, that they wish to sell in their shop. We'll likely start with a limit of 25, with the possibility to increase it. Cartel owners will be able to flag designs to not be sellable in shops at all. Buyers would be able to buy these listed designs from the shop, and the NPC shopkeeper will make these items with the shopkeeper's proficiency. Special commodities (such as corpses etc) will require the buyers to have in hand when making those designs, but the general commodities will be taken from the shop rift.
Shopkeepers would price the designs they want to sell.
Additionally, shopkeepers would be able to pay for additional NPC shopkeepers to help run their shop and be assigned additional trade skills. The cost to add these has not been determined yet, but would potentially be a yearly upkeep gold cost to maintain, scaling with how many additional shopkeepers/traders you have (the first one is always free).
We will continue to allow shopkeepers to have others stock their shop, but we will now allow shopkeepers to allow these additional players to sell through their shopkeepers. Shopkeepers would be able to assign a player to a trade for an NPC, and that NPC would then make the designs/goods based on the assigned player's proficiency rather than their own. ie: Bob can assign Tammy to do all his jewelry sales because he's at 0% proficiency while Tammy is 100%, the NPC will make items based on Tammy's proficiency instead. Tammy will get to decide what jewelry designs she sells in Bob's shop, not Bob, as she is the jewelry expert (but Bob can always unassign her if he doesn't like what she's selling). This will allow players to have a one-stop-shop if they employ multiple players to help stock/run their shops. We will be looking at having a portion of the proceeds (determined by the shopkeeper) always go to the assigned player. ie If Tammy sells a cool necklace, she'll automatically get her cut of the sale and wouldn't need Bob to give it to her.
We're considering adding ways that shopkeepers can purchase straight from an org rift or something rather than relying on having their own rift stocked up but will still need to work out those details.
Orael
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Economy - Trade Revamp
This is outlining in more depth/detail the plan for revamping trades.
Players will be able to select up to two trades. One trade inherently at no cost. The second trade will be selected by either using the Demipower SecondTradeSkill or the Endowment of Arts artifact. We will allow players to refund the essence for SecondTradeSkill should they want it. BeauteousThought will be fully refunded to everyone that has selected it and it will be replaced (see below).
When a player selects a skill, they will have access to the entire skillset for the most part. We may link some things to proficiency (certain patterns etc). Most basic things will be available to players initially.
They will start at 0% proficiency.
Players can gain up to 5% proficiency at a base level per day by performing the trade. Certain things will be introduced that will increase how much proficiency you can gain per day. Classes will have bonuses towards certain skillsets initially(see below). We may also introduce guild bonuses, family bonuses, order bonuses, artifacts etc that will allow more proficiency gain per day. This will be capped at up to 10% per day.
The demipower BeauteousThought will be changed grant a 0.5% bonus to gaining proficiency, and allow players to reach a higher level of proficiency (105%) than normal.
In addition, players can spend 100 lessons a day to learn an additional 5% proficiency. The difference is that you will only be able to gain up to 50% proficiency through lessons. The same bonuses above would count towards how much proficiency you gain, again maxing out at 10% per day. The lesson cost would remain the same, so at max bonus, you would gain 10% proficiency for 100 lessons.
The likely number for max proficiency gain when we introduce things will be at 6.5%, meaning that with both learning in-game and performing lessons, you would hit 100% proficiency in 8 days. When other bonuses are introduced (mostly for flavor and theme), the fastest would be 5 days.
Skillflexing will be allowed, but when a player skillflexes out of a tradeskill, all proficiency will be lost. This may seem harsh and we may introduce ways to keep some level of proficiency but the goal here is that we want to encourage players to participate in the economy and have to engage with other traders. Promoting proficiencies, whether through shops or directly with players will mean that proficient players will be able to sell their goods and services at a cheaper rate and potentially higher quality than non-proficient players.
Additionally, proficiency will need to be upkept, with it being used at least once a game year. It will decay 10% every year it is not used. This may be changed but the goal here is to encourage players to buy from active traders and their shops.
The overall goal with proficiency levels is that a trader at 100% proficiency and zero artifacts will be more efficient/effective than a player at 0% proficiency and all the artifacts.
Here are a few benefits from being proficient in a skill
Note: To be clear - this will eliminate benefits that the trader gets, benefits that the trader makes/creates (like kirigami for instance) will be left in that everyone can use.
Proficiency will allow prospectors to mine/pan faster and for more metals as well as refining them into allows better.
Proficiency will allow you to get more commodities from your efforts in a faster time.
Basics
Trades will no longer have a lesson cost. All lessons will be refunded (we will potentially allow people to trade lessons for credits, details to be determined).Players will be able to select up to two trades. One trade inherently at no cost. The second trade will be selected by either using the Demipower SecondTradeSkill or the Endowment of Arts artifact. We will allow players to refund the essence for SecondTradeSkill should they want it. BeauteousThought will be fully refunded to everyone that has selected it and it will be replaced (see below).
When a player selects a skill, they will have access to the entire skillset for the most part. We may link some things to proficiency (certain patterns etc). Most basic things will be available to players initially.
They will start at 0% proficiency.
Trade Proficiencies
Traders will become proficient in a trade by performing the trade, or spending lessons to become more proficient. We will introduce names and tiers for proficiency levels so we don't have to refer to them by percentages etc.Players can gain up to 5% proficiency at a base level per day by performing the trade. Certain things will be introduced that will increase how much proficiency you can gain per day. Classes will have bonuses towards certain skillsets initially(see below). We may also introduce guild bonuses, family bonuses, order bonuses, artifacts etc that will allow more proficiency gain per day. This will be capped at up to 10% per day.
The demipower BeauteousThought will be changed grant a 0.5% bonus to gaining proficiency, and allow players to reach a higher level of proficiency (105%) than normal.
In addition, players can spend 100 lessons a day to learn an additional 5% proficiency. The difference is that you will only be able to gain up to 50% proficiency through lessons. The same bonuses above would count towards how much proficiency you gain, again maxing out at 10% per day. The lesson cost would remain the same, so at max bonus, you would gain 10% proficiency for 100 lessons.
The likely number for max proficiency gain when we introduce things will be at 6.5%, meaning that with both learning in-game and performing lessons, you would hit 100% proficiency in 8 days. When other bonuses are introduced (mostly for flavor and theme), the fastest would be 5 days.
Skillflexing will be allowed, but when a player skillflexes out of a tradeskill, all proficiency will be lost. This may seem harsh and we may introduce ways to keep some level of proficiency but the goal here is that we want to encourage players to participate in the economy and have to engage with other traders. Promoting proficiencies, whether through shops or directly with players will mean that proficient players will be able to sell their goods and services at a cheaper rate and potentially higher quality than non-proficient players.
Additionally, proficiency will need to be upkept, with it being used at least once a game year. It will decay 10% every year it is not used. This may be changed but the goal here is to encourage players to buy from active traders and their shops.
The overall goal with proficiency levels is that a trader at 100% proficiency and zero artifacts will be more efficient/effective than a player at 0% proficiency and all the artifacts.
Here are a few benefits from being proficient in a skill
- Gather things faster and easier
- Services will be faster and more efficient
- Goods will be of higher quality, cost fewer comms to make, and last longer.
Trade Restrictions
We will be removing all trade restrictions. Anyone will be able to select any trade skill, regardless of class. Certain classes will instead give a 1% bonus towards gaining proficiency in that skillset.- Warriors - Forging
- Monks - Tattoos
- Bards - Tinkering/Brewmeister
- Guardians/Mages - Spellcraft
- Wiccans/Druids - Lorecraft (Alchemy)
Trans Tradeskills and other mechanical benefits
We will be removing most trans trade items and any other mechanical benefits from trade skills. We want to eliminate mechanical reasons that players will choose trades and instead allow players to pick the trade that they want to do. Most trans-items, and any skill that grants the trader some mechanical benefit will be removed. This will affect some trades more than others. Additionally, for the same reason, we are removing aethertrading. We do not want to encourage players to select specific trades because they can aethertrade while others cannot.Note: To be clear - this will eliminate benefits that the trader gets, benefits that the trader makes/creates (like kirigami for instance) will be left in that everyone can use.
Trades and Shops
Every trade skill will have a way to sell their goods or services in a shop. Tattoos, enchantments etc will all be able to sell their goods in a shop. This will include things like engraving services or piping services.Prospecting Skillset
A new prospecting skillset will be introduced. We're not going to go into more nitty-gritty details here but will summarize the skill. Prospectors will be able to produce various metal commodities by either mining it through veins of the metal or panning for them in the rivers and waterways. They'll be able to turn metals into alloys as well by combining them in various ways. We will be introducing more base metal and alloy commodities (such as copper, bronze, and titanium) as well as skills such as dowsing to find metal veins.Proficiency will allow prospectors to mine/pan faster and for more metals as well as refining them into allows better.
Agriculture Skillset
A new agriculture skillset will be introduced. This will be a skill set that allows players to gather/create a variety of commodities such as fruit, veggies, milk, and meat. You'll be able to gather cows and slaughter them for meat and tan their hides for leather, shear sheep for cloth and gather spinnerets to make silk. Gather fruit and veggies and maybe even grow your own trees/plants to harvest them. You'll require a variety of equipment that other trades will have to make for you (such as nestboxes, buckets, baskets, looms or tanning racks).Proficiency will allow you to get more commodities from your efforts in a faster time.
Specific Changes to Current Trade Skills
Alchemy/Lorecraft
- Alchemy will be combined with Lorecraft to become one skillset - Alchemy
- Brewmeisters will no longer use Alchemy
- Liniment, Antidote, Mending, Restoration, Sanguine, Phlegmatic and Melancholic will be removed (unless I'm missing use for them, like antidote)
- MagicInk will be added from Brewmeister
- PhilospherStone will be removed
- Proficiency will increase how amalgamation speed, how much power it uses, and how many sips you get per batch.
Artisan (Potential name change to Carpentry or something better)
- Prized Skill will be removed
- Low Proficiency will increase commodity costs to build designs and maintain them
- Proficiency will increase how much furniture they can fit in a room
- Packaging sold in shops will consider the creator's proficiency in regard to room use.
Bookbinding
- Low Proficiency will increase commodity costs (including origami)
- Proficiency will reduce balance times and magicink costs to make.
- Vellum will be made riftable (apparently already is)
- Ensure that all books are sellable in shops, including Omnibus etc.
- MagicTome will be removed
- Languages will be removed from Bookbinding and moved into a Lingualism mini-skill
- Lingualism will be unlocked for 250 credits and will allow players to spend 100 lessons to learn up to 5 languages (from various NPC's that speak the language)
Brewmeister
- Brewmeister will no longer require alchemy
- All drinks from Cooking will be moved to Brewmeister
- Brews/Ales/Spirits/Wine/Colddrinks
- MagicInk will be moved to Alchemy
- TeaCeremony, Belch, BeerBelly, PukeMaster, StandingDrunk, Steelgut will be removed.
- Proficiency will increase sips created, as well as lower balance times and power usage. It will also increase decay times.
- Proficiency may increase alcohol potency (not sure if good idea)
Cooking
- Refinement, Dietician and Herofete will be removed (Herofete will remain on wondercorn)
- All drinks will be removed from Cooking and added to Brewmeister
- Brews/Ales/Colddrinks/Spirits/Wine
- We will add 'piping kits' that will be sold in shops that allow players to pipe onto their own food, in color if we can.
- Low proficiency will increase comm usage
- Proficiency will improve preserving, satiation and balance times (power costs?)
Enchantment
- Proficiency will be linked to either Tinkering/Spellcraft
- It will increase enchanting speed, decrease power cost, and maybe more charges per enchant
- Develop a way to sell enchants through shops so players can enchant their specific piece of jewelry.
- This could take the form of enchanters enchanting cubes with specific enchants that they can use to sell in the shop. This would not allow players to use the cubes to use the enchantments themselves, only to apply it to other items
Forging
- MasterArmour will be removed
- Padding and weapon/armour enhancements will be given a way to sell in shops.
- Low Proficiency will increase comm requirements
- Proficiency will reduce time to forge items
- Will increase commodity recovery from smelting (this may already be 100%)
- Will make items last longer
Herbs
- Remove Herblore and Smoking
- Proficiency will increase balance recovery and how many herbs you can harvest per HARVEST
Jewellery
- Remove Refinement and Tierstone
- Make powerstones at 100% riftable (they will always decay outside a rift)
- Allow engraving services at a shop
- Low proficiency will increase comm costs
- Proficiency will make gemcutting more efficient
- Proficiency will increase decay times and prestige.
- Proficiency will make melting more effective.
Poisons
- Remove Immunity
- Proficiency will increase how many applications you get
- Proficiency will reduce balance times.
Spellcraft
- Remove MagiCrown
- combine Guardian/Mage enchanting to be available to all
- See Enchantment for proficiency bonuses
Tailoring
- Remove Refinement
- Splendours will remain, but tailors will be able to make them for anyone.
- Allow the selling of padding/thermal/depadding services
- Allow selling of enhancement knots
- Allow mending services in shops
- Sell embroideryKits to allow players to embroider items (in color if possible)
- Low Proficiency will increase comm requirements
- Proficiency will increase decay times and prestige
Tattoos
- Remove TattooMaster
- Tattoo traders will be able to prepare skin on anyone and give them tattoo armour (up to 16% resistance) This means it will no longer be limited to monks.
- Need to design a way to sell tattoos in a shop (see Report 115 for one example)
- Proficiency will decrease time to tattoo
- Selling in shops could not last as long as getting it from a tattooist
- Low proficiency will increase the amount of tints required.
Tinkering
- Remove RoseGlasses
- Offer a way to sell miniature repair services
- see Enchantment.
Orael
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Economy Changes Overview
Here it is, the much-anticipated plan for what we're going to do with the economy.
This plan is large, it's expansive and it covers a lot. It's going to cover more than just this one thread, so please be patient as I write up the proposals for the more in-depth things listed here. This part will give a general overview of our goals, the plans, and how they achieve our goals. We'll also list some miscellaneous things that don't really fit elsewhere here.
Goals
- Address the commodity issue.
- Ensure supplies are readily available for anyone, especially newbies
- Ensure that players can participate in as much or as little as they want.
- Make Trading/Merchantile something worthwhile that you can potentially earn money at
Pretty straightforward.
The Plan
This isn't going to be straightforward. Here we'll address a few general points.Trades - A more in-depth proposal found here: https://forums.lusternia.com/discussion/4422/economy-trade-revamp/p1.
- We will introduce two new trade skillsets, Prospecting and Agriculture. These skillsets will primarily generate commodities in various fashion, more in-depth proposals to be linked in separate threads
- We will be removing lesson costs (and refunding lessons) on all trade skills. They will instead rely on a new mechanic called proficiency. Proficiency is gained by performing the trade
- Players will only be allowed two trade skills active at once.
- Skillflexing between trade skills will cause you to lose all proficiency.
- All trades will be able to sell their wares/services in a shop.
- All mechanical benefits from selecting a trade will be removed (Trans items and skills that give the trader something)
Shops - More in-depth proposal coming in a separate thread
- We will be setting up an NPC village of shopkeepers that will have all items/services for sale so anyone can access them
- NPC's will sell and buy comms/goods
- Players will be able to sell both goods and services from their shops (per the above)
- Players will be able to select certain from cartels to sell that will automatically be made for the buyer at the seller's proficiency level.
- Fix current issues with commodity quests, ensure things are more even throughout various villages and standardize how they function to make changes easier and more consistent in the future.
- Look at Commercial governments and make it more viable
- We will be removing receiving a comm when doing a commodity quest
- Artifact Runes will be free to change and move between items, pliers will be retired. This is to encourage players to change up their items and looks
- Aethertrading will be removed, we will consider another way to gain anomalies but we want to remove any mechanical reasons players select one trade over another.
- All riftable items will be made to decay outside of rifts (they will not decay in rifts, either personal or shop rifts)
- Gold drops from mobs will be removed, Questing gold and turn-ins will still give gold
- Org stockpiles will have a cap (200k comms)
- Remove Sticky goop as a thing
- Potentially retire crucible curios - we may leave this, for now, to see how they work with things.
How these solutions achieve our goals
Goal 1: Adding two additional trade skills that directly generate the commodities as well as shoring up village weaknesses and ensuring that villages are more even and fair in their commodity production should resolve any shortage issues.Goal 2: Expanding the shop system to include everything from trades and creating NPC traders will ensure that players will always be able to get what they need when they need it. Everything will be available at all times.
Goal 3: See above, having player and NPC shops sell things means that players that don't want to be forced into engaging in the economy can simply purchase from a shop and go about their day. If you want to engage more and design or have special items made for you etc, you can freely engage with others or specialize yourself.
Goal 4: One of the key components to make trading/merchant game playing style viable is needing to have players participate or engage in the economy. An antithesis to this is players being self-sufficient and being able to do everything themselves. By adding proficiencies to trades and encouraging players to specialize in 1-2 trades, we are making it more difficult and costlier to be self-sufficient. By doing so, we're encouraging players to participate in the economy, even if it's just going to a player shop to get what you need and move on. We are not removing the ability to be self-sufficient, but we are not encouraging it either. Additionally, by removing the lesson costs, we're allowing players to start making money right away rather than needing to invest in it, to begin with. Becoming proficient in a trade skill will make it faster/easier/more cost-effective to sell goods and perform services than those that are not proficient.
One note is that the proficiency system does prevent players from realistically becoming all-around merchants that can do every trade skill, which can be considered antithetical to Goal 4. Unfortunately, we do not think there is any way around that, in order to make trading/merchant playstyle worthwhile, we need to encourage players to participate in the economy, whether it's through shops or other means and we are not able to have a situation where players can be the all-around trade guru but not self-sufficient.
Orael
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Re: The Story So Far: Esei
the same log, but with *jazz hands* thinks (also god this was. so wholesome. )Esei said:@Cheliyi has been struggling lately, more than Esei thought she'd be. So they try to help. And cuddle, a little.
Cheliyi
3
Prayer to the Sword
Avaris prays to @Terentia for guidance on the Wyrd, but the instruction
that he ends up leaving with is...Entirely unexpected, to say the least.
An absolutely phenomenal RP session, and one that I am delighted to have had the chance to participate in - Very interesting to see Terentia's take on the matter, and it was so nice for Avaris to be able to engage someone that shares his style of perspective, and who he could engage comfortably as a soldier. She's also pretty danged funny, which is amazing to learn!
Avaris
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Re: Cloaking Gems (Again)
Saran said:I'd disagree with the last bit about people not realising it. In some ways being an experienced player can make it worse because I look at the outputs from like CWHO or GWHO and tend to automatically expect that all the "X on other planes" are people in manses who are just AFK (unless I've seen relevant conflict chatter recently) and are basically artificially inflating the online numbers.Coraline said:For every newbie that sticks around despite the game looking "empty", there are four or five that leave because of the "perpetually empty feeling" (what I've been told by 80% of the people I have tried to get to play). This is despite people helping them and kitting them out etc.
The true newbie experience is very different from newbies who have started new characters after having played extensively before on other characters, and I don't think people who aren't true newbies completely realize this - this is something Sulwh seems to agree with me on as well when we had this discussion privately.
There's also a bit of a question around specifics. For example, it seems super relevant to consider if those newbies are actually understanding the player count stuff at the bottom, because if they are then changing WHO may not acheieve much, particularly if they're coming from other MUDs/IREs and comparing numbers. You can also get that empty feeling if your guild or org is well... desolate which who wouldn't really help with because it doesn't really matter if there's a hundred people online elsewhere.
It's also the same with objections really. The concerns about being visible, the desire to avoid griefing, and sometimes wanting to be covert about what you're actually doing, all kinda make me wonder if maybe another way to hit things is to look at how easy it is to actually scry. It's most basic form is available to everyone through enchanting and it seems to only get better from there, maybe there needs to be some work done around that which could make people feel more comfortable being more visible (if that would actually solve things)
A true newbie is going to learn about QW or WHO and count the names. Let's compare Achaea, Aetolia, and Lusternia QW lists:
Achaea
Accipiter, Aelyn, Agramon, Aina, Akicita, Alizais, Astarod, Atul, Barry, Dynos,
Edotlina, Elliora, Elyon, Embrelle, Gardai, Gelantur, Giddieon, Harlaye,
Hendrik, Ita, Kassie, Keorin, Kieva, Layta, Leofrik, Levice, Lizabel, Maajida,
Majin, Marra, Mazus, Mercer, Milabar, Minsideon, Molli, Moranda, Morthif,
Nachi, Namino, Natliya, Neisti, Nhakra, Nicolina, Nona, Novak, Perl, Phelia,
Pleak, Rasahi, Reinn, Riane, Rino, Ripple, Ryzan, Sagin, Savira, Seragorn,
Sereka, Serra, Seryphrea, Shirszae, Shri, Staria, Swikaan, Tarvius, Tashara,
Thiev, Thorgrim, Trendric, Valuk, Vie, Zalydd, Zandyr, Zylvith, and Zyrine.
Plus another 4 whose presence you cannot fully sense (75 total).
Edotlina, Elliora, Elyon, Embrelle, Gardai, Gelantur, Giddieon, Harlaye,
Hendrik, Ita, Kassie, Keorin, Kieva, Layta, Leofrik, Levice, Lizabel, Maajida,
Majin, Marra, Mazus, Mercer, Milabar, Minsideon, Molli, Moranda, Morthif,
Nachi, Namino, Natliya, Neisti, Nhakra, Nicolina, Nona, Novak, Perl, Phelia,
Pleak, Rasahi, Reinn, Riane, Rino, Ripple, Ryzan, Sagin, Savira, Seragorn,
Sereka, Serra, Seryphrea, Shirszae, Shri, Staria, Swikaan, Tarvius, Tashara,
Thiev, Thorgrim, Trendric, Valuk, Vie, Zalydd, Zandyr, Zylvith, and Zyrine.
Plus another 4 whose presence you cannot fully sense (75 total).
Aetolia
Amyie, Araseth, Borminchia, Cadhla, Calen, Didi, Dourif, Einette, Grady, Haven,
Iesid, Illidan, Jakarn, Jarrhn, Jezreth, Jhin, Kaestrin, Kurze, Lynexia, Maliki,
Menelaus, Merek, Moxie, Nebula, Pentas, Rinnek, Sekara, Sekeres, Stine, Sukii,
Vizzer, Vjeiraic, Wert, and Yeni.
There are 41 people total online with 7 people that are hidden from you.
Iesid, Illidan, Jakarn, Jarrhn, Jezreth, Jhin, Kaestrin, Kurze, Lynexia, Maliki,
Menelaus, Merek, Moxie, Nebula, Pentas, Rinnek, Sekara, Sekeres, Stine, Sukii,
Vizzer, Vjeiraic, Wert, and Yeni.
There are 41 people total online with 7 people that are hidden from you.
Lusternia
Afrit, Gedrilio, Isser, Tarragon.
(*) Currently, there are 4 Lusternians on this Plane and 28 on other Planes.
(*) Currently, there are 4 Lusternians on this Plane and 28 on other Planes.
Yes, Lusternia has a third of the population online as Achaea, but 75% of Aetolia. And yet Aetolia feels infinitely more filled. The issue is that cloaking gems compound the already smaller visible population resulting from the unique planar mechanic.
Sulwh
7
Re: Upcoming Economy Rework and Goals
Look - it's quite obvious that I'm not Capt Charisma here. I can be pointed, untactful and direct. I certainly have my opinions about how I think things should be and what makes a fun game, and I definitely get frustrated and snappy. But I can tell you straight up that I'm the first to realize that I'm not infallible and that I don't know everything. I've pushed/approved several things in this last reporting cycle that I didn't necessarily agree with, but you, the players, obviously felt strongly about so I went ahead with it anyway.
One thing I can promise you I am not is dismissive. If I was just going to dismiss what was being said, I simply wouldn't respond. I would just let you complain and whine and go off on whatever tangent you want to and go about my day and keep working on things within the game. However, I think it's important that I do respond and I do speak out. I think it's important that I do communicate and I do answer questions or tell you where my mind's at. My responses here are because I'm -not- dismissing you. I'm taking time to address you and your concerns, your thoughts etc. Disagreeing with something is not dismissing it. I don't know how many times I need to say that I'm acknowledging stated issues while at the same time being told I'm dismissing them as well.
I'll continue to work on my tact and how I phrase things. It's something I'm well aware I can improve, but I'm relatively sure you would rather me actually be willing to be transparent and discuss things, even if I come across negatively or dismissively, rather than just not communicating at all.
While the intention of this thread was more to gauge what players wanted to see in an economy (or what they really didn't want to see, like decay), I did read this entire thread- multiple times and I'm considering and using several of the ideas posted here, or some variation thereof. I'm taking into consideration what everyone has stated here and trying to come up with a plan that fits the wants and needs of as many people as I can manage. The goal is to make changes that are for the good of the game as a whole. I additionally consulted past economy threads as well, to look at what people said there too. Taking my comments that are specific answers to specific questions out of context and applying them to the thread overall does nobody any favors.
One thing I can promise you I am not is dismissive. If I was just going to dismiss what was being said, I simply wouldn't respond. I would just let you complain and whine and go off on whatever tangent you want to and go about my day and keep working on things within the game. However, I think it's important that I do respond and I do speak out. I think it's important that I do communicate and I do answer questions or tell you where my mind's at. My responses here are because I'm -not- dismissing you. I'm taking time to address you and your concerns, your thoughts etc. Disagreeing with something is not dismissing it. I don't know how many times I need to say that I'm acknowledging stated issues while at the same time being told I'm dismissing them as well.
I'll continue to work on my tact and how I phrase things. It's something I'm well aware I can improve, but I'm relatively sure you would rather me actually be willing to be transparent and discuss things, even if I come across negatively or dismissively, rather than just not communicating at all.
While the intention of this thread was more to gauge what players wanted to see in an economy (or what they really didn't want to see, like decay), I did read this entire thread- multiple times and I'm considering and using several of the ideas posted here, or some variation thereof. I'm taking into consideration what everyone has stated here and trying to come up with a plan that fits the wants and needs of as many people as I can manage. The goal is to make changes that are for the good of the game as a whole. I additionally consulted past economy threads as well, to look at what people said there too. Taking my comments that are specific answers to specific questions out of context and applying them to the thread overall does nobody any favors.
Orael
5
Re: The Bats and the Wasps; or: To Crush or Not To Crush
You know, while I'm here, I should probably actually make this stage production.
Adrien
4
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