I actually think the game would be more fun if more people fought like their RL penises would get chopped off if they lost and that we kept talking about it on the forums.
It's way more interesting and real (due to the human element drama) than another c/p RP event full of says and emotes.
With that said, it's great that it seems that there's more fighting, but just because there's more fighting, it doesn't mean that people won't be bitches and upgrade/absolve when there's little chance for failure. It's definitely not the wrong way to play (anyone who says otherwise is delusional), but it's perfectly okay to call it out and declare it lame.
You guys are just arguing over minor details like who came to what when, how many people were there, how many people count as combatants (Sidd counts as 11), what timezone this happened, and what color underwear Celina wore that day (trick question, none). The fact that there was fighting is something to enjoy, win or lose.
I agree with everything you said -- it's just that in these several recent instances...there was actually potential opposition. Just not Celina. Which is what I gather is what she's butthurt about.
Knowledge absolve and knowledge claim in the past 24 hours could have been contested. I don't know about War absolve. The reason North is getting into this argument at all is because the South is completely wrong to call us out at this point.
As for the Glomraid into an absolve thing...I wasn't there, so I can't really comment, other than that I think absolves are lopsided conflict for both sides.
With that said, people like Aeden (amongst others) definitely come to "fight" when odds are stacked heavily in his favor or when there's no one to defend. I think that's very lame and we should discourage that kind of conflict. It's pretty zzz. So are the people who are downers before even going to participate in conflict.
Everyone else is pretty all right, if a bit bitchy. But then again, who isn't.
The conclusion I have gotten from reading these, are just typical and insane bickering about pk during times that are incompatible with each other, quite honestly, it doesn't truly matter in the end. It is just best to not be concerned with complaints and being lured into such stupid nonesense of division and derision. From my point of view, I could care less if there's an issue about when I absolve. There's no rules/laws in the mechanics that dictate when one should and what is permissible to pk/raid/absolve/upgrade, except in the cases of dormancies in regards to domoths. Just speaking for myself, I don't kowtow to anyone's complaint about the various time periods of pk involvement. If I have the time to get involve, then I will at my discretion, not anyone else's whim, nor expect anyone to do so at mine.
There are going to be instances where numbers are equal, but either side isn't willing to go for it, but noticeably a trend of doing so when there's 2 to 1. Like today with the knowledge upgrade, that could've been easily contested for a decent and fair fight, but nothing occured, but it happens. Another example, was like the absolve I did, it could've been easily stopped, but only Leolamins attempted, but heartstopped for what reason I rolled my eyes about, but yeah, it happens where either side choose not to take the risk when its a fair chance. So, that's my viewpoint on this.
I actually think the game would be more fun if more people fought like their RL penises would get chopped off if they lost and that we kept talking about it on the forums.
It's way more interesting and real (due to the human element drama) than another c/p RP event full of says and emotes.
With that said, it's great that it seems that there's more fighting, but just because there's more fighting, it doesn't mean that people won't be bitches and upgrade/absolve when there's little chance for failure. It's definitely not the wrong way to play (anyone who says otherwise is delusional), but it's perfectly okay to call it out and declare it lame.
You guys are just arguing over minor details like who came to what when, how many people were there, how many people count as combatants (Sidd counts as 11), what timezone this happened, and what color underwear Celina wore that day (trick question, none). The fact that there was fighting is something to enjoy, win or lose.
I agree with everything you said -- it's just that in these several recent instances...there was actually potential opposition. Just not Celina. Which is what I gather is what she's butthurt about.
Knowledge absolve and knowledge claim in the past 24 hours could have been contested. I don't know about War absolve. The reason North is getting into this argument at all is because the South is completely wrong to call us out at this point.
As for the Glomraid into an absolve thing...I wasn't there, so I can't really comment, other than that I think absolves are lopsided conflict for both sides.
I was actually around for at least 1 example that was repeatedly cited. You know who holds the only domoth that can absolve War? I'll give you a clue: it's me.
So butt hurt about not being involved.
God forbid you actually read and pay attention to the subject matter you are speaking about, Maligorn. You might start adding value to the game some day.
I'm just glad I made it before entire pages were deleted.
Me too, I learned I'm a scary pvp menace! Ten years of non-com status, poof!
:ar!
You should have both meteor and meteor storm messages by now. RAISE STAFF and be the hero! :bz
EDIT: Or that other thing. Treelife, I think?
See my post below yours, my point is I really don't know how to use my skills, and I actually don't have the lines for them because I don't log.
But anyways.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable. Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
Inevitably these things devolve into selective flagging, where your friends can call people butt hurt, but they can't say anything mean back because reasons. *flag flag flag*
And you wonder why you can't understand the points being made.
I matter to the people I play with, actually. Your vitriol and rudeness won't tear me down, much as you like to try.
Right, because we don't want to talk about why you were removed from certain positions for "vitriol and rudeness."
Then you'd sound like a real hypocrite, right. I'll give you back exactly what you give out, Maligorn. Come to terms with it honey, you've earned it.
edit: I was going to delete this, but no. If you're going to come for me and call me names, I'm going to remind you who you are, because clearly we forgot. I am not the one, honey.
I'm just glad I made it before entire pages were deleted.
It is too hard to moderate from the iPad.
For a nominal fee, I'll gladly assume the mantle of a mod and strike this thread with the fury of a thousand angry gods.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
It's really not though. I admit I was incensed at the time of my post, but...citing the community as the reason you don't play is asinine. Especially since that same community showed that certain someone a whole butt ton of support in a different thread.
Honestly, don't engage. The exact same drive that causes people to demand you play how and when they want you to play spills over into demanding that you argue with them how they want on the subjects of their choice. Just nah. No matter how exhaustively you argue, the fact that you're willing to constantly engage in the argument feeds the underlying claim that other players can decide what is or is not an worthwhile/correct/interesting/good use of your time.
I matter to the people I play with, actually. Your vitriol and rudeness won't tear me down, much as you like to try.
Right, because we don't want to talk about why you were removed from certain positions for "vitriol and rudeness."
Then you'd sound like a real hypocrite, right. I'll give you back exactly what you give out, Maligorn. Come to terms with it honey, you've earned it.
edit: I was going to delete this, but no. If you're going to come for me and call me names, I'm going to remind you who you are, because clearly we forgot. I am not the one, honey.
Babe, I'm not the one that started these shenanigans. You insulted the North by calling us out on off-peak absolves. I provided facts surrounding those absolves. You got pissy and started calling not just me but everyone illiterate.
If that's your idea of an eye for an eye, you really need to see someone.
It's really not though. I admit I was incensed at the time of my post, but...citing the community as the reason you don't play is asinine. Especially since that same community showed that certain someone a whole butt ton of support in a different thread.
My connections with people who also play Lusternia have nothing to do with my desire to actually log in and be involved in these incidents that cause people to get all worked up over things that don't matter. I love Lusternia. I love most of the people in the community. But I don't love the constant back and forth forums slapfights, and this feeling that because I have a sliver of competence, I will be shamed for not actively contributing should I choose to log in at any given time, by people who have no right to dictate how someone else wants to spend their time. I used to find combat fun, but now I avoid it as much as possible.
I hate it when people bring up this garbage constantly, and how everybody is so keen on making it an Us vs. Them problem without any regard for circumstances beyond trying to be the one with the greatest claim to a position of superiority. I don't care what side you're on, or who started it, or who anyone wants to point fingers at: if you are prone to starting and continuing pages-long forums bickering every time you don't like something, you need to take a deep breath and stop getting so worked up over a game. You are all perpetuating a toxic environment that isn't enjoyable to the people who don't think fights over meaningless objectives are worth slinging vitriol over.
I matter to the people I play with, actually. Your vitriol and rudeness won't tear me down, much as you like to try.
Right, because we don't want to talk about why you were removed from certain positions for "vitriol and rudeness."
Then you'd sound like a real hypocrite, right. I'll give you back exactly what you give out, Maligorn. Come to terms with it honey, you've earned it.
edit: I was going to delete this, but no. If you're going to come for me and call me names, I'm going to remind you who you are, because clearly we forgot. I am not the one, honey.
Babe, I'm not the one that started these shenanigans. You insulted the North by calling us out on off-peak absolves. I provided facts surrounding those absolves. You got pissy and started calling not just me but everyone illiterate.
If that's your idea of an eye for an eye, you really need to see someone.
8-}
edit: I'll also give everyone a tip, it also works in the real world. Don't get involved in conversations you don't like. On the same token, stop trying to dictate to people how much they care or should care, or what they should or should not talk about. If you don't like people dictating how you should play the game, imagine how people feel when you try and dictate what subjects they should talk about. I'm not going to shame anyone for not PKing, by all means if you don't like that aspect of the game, don't partake in it.
I also expect you not to tell me what I can and cannot care or talk about. People are allowed to have opinions. People are allowed to have opinions that are different than yours. People are allowed to have opinions on topics you don't find relevant. People are even allowed to express those opinions, so long as they are within the rules, in manners you don't agree with.
Dictation is not a one way street. You hate when people bring up this garbage. I hate when people make threads about crafting as if it contributes to the longevity of the game. But you're still allowed, and I'm not going to ever tell you not to, or that my opinion about you having an opinion is relevant. You're allowed one. Have it, enjoy it, meet people who disagree with it, go forth and share it.
But don't tell people to not have one.
I have a lot of time and money invested in the game, I'm entitled to have an opinion and bicker about whatever I choose. I could even bicker about people's opinions about bickering, which is apparently what this has evolved to. The only important part is that no one tries to stifle the existence and expression of an opinion.
As someone who played many years ago, and was one of those players who let the game get to them years ago, I quit playing, I was in the North, in fact it was not long after Hallifax came into existence, I was a toxic player who was immature back then and I left the game for an IRL decade before returning with Scanlan, I considered returning to my character, but the family I knew didn't exist anymore, in fact Shevatt was spelled different, Elostian was dead, and things were a bit out of sorts. Whilst IC my character had spats and bickered with Phoebus as a character on numerous occasions, OOC I did always think she was a driving force back then, a kind soul willing to help and put herself out there....my character would have said something snotty about her, but I as a player even in my less than savory moments considered her a good person who was valuable.
In fact I am sad to see your feelings towards why you dont return are alot of my reasons for not returning all those years ago, the environment was awful, I found it different now, where I am now, mind you im alot more mature and I dont take alot of this drama and nonsense personal anymore, but its ridiculous to say that her arguments are invalid, the community can make or break ones passion, and its one of the reasons I have told people I wont return to the North, or join Magnagora, or Gaudiguch, my little bubble in Glom is peaceful, I defend when I am asked to and I try and ignore the drama. You are good people though @Phoebus and although we never got along much IC, my interactions with you are some of the reasons I returned to Lusternia from Aetolia, because I know there are rich, valuable souls out there who care about the games environment for its players.
I'm basically done with this argument, but I do want to leave one caveat.
If you guys think I don't argue and bitch and complain and insult and wheedle and perpetuate because I care about the game and the people I play with (even you dirty Southerners), you're wrong.
As someone who played many years ago, and was one of those players who let the game get to them years ago, I quit playing, I was in the North, in fact it was not long after Hallifax came into existence, I was a toxic player who was immature back then and I left the game for an IRL decade before returning with Scanlan, I considered returning to my character, but the family I knew didn't exist anymore, in fact Shevatt was spelled different, Elostian was dead, and things were a bit out of sorts. Whilst IC my character had spats and bickered with Phoebus as a character on numerous occasions, OOC I did always think she was a driving force back then, a kind soul willing to help and put herself out there....my character would have said something snotty about her, but I as a player even in my less than savory moments considered her a good person who was valuable.
In fact I am sad to see your feelings towards why you dont return are alot of my reasons for not returning all those years ago, the environment was awful, I found it different now, where I am now, mind you im alot more mature and I dont take alot of this drama and nonsense personal anymore, but its ridiculous to say that her arguments are invalid, the community can make or break ones passion, and its one of the reasons I have told people I wont return to the North, or join Magnagora, or Gaudiguch, my little bubble in Glom is peaceful, I defend when I am asked to and I try and ignore the drama. You are good people though @Phoebus and although we never got along much IC, my interactions with you are some of the reasons I returned to Lusternia from Aetolia, because I know there are rich, valuable souls out there who care about the games environment for its players.
Ah, thanks! I know I can be kind of a pain to butt heads with sometimes, especially while playing Phoebus (who somehow manages to be even more stubborn than I am, yikes!), but I'm glad to hear that I left a positive impression on you, regardless. I really do want Lusternia to be the best Lusternia it can be! I might not have the energy to contribute as actively as I used to, but I still care about the state of things just as much as ever.
Sometimes, I want to send Lusternia to its room to think about what it's done, but I will still make it a nice dinner and tell it I love it very much afterwards. >:D<
For a nominal fee, I'll gladly assume the mantle of a mod and strike this thread with the fury of a thousand angry gods.
It only takes two taps to close the thread. Would rather do that than have to pay you to mod.
Rude. Here I am offering to help you out since you're on a Pad, and only asking a pittance of a favor. Hmph.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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Knowledge absolve and knowledge claim in the past 24 hours could have been contested. I don't know about War absolve. The reason North is getting into this argument at all is because the South is completely wrong to call us out at this point.
As for the Glomraid into an absolve thing...I wasn't there, so I can't really comment, other than that I think absolves are lopsided conflict for both sides.
It is too hard to moderate from the iPad.
There are going to be instances where numbers are equal, but either side isn't willing to go for it, but noticeably a trend of doing so when there's 2 to 1. Like today with the knowledge upgrade, that could've been easily contested for a decent and fair fight, but nothing occured, but it happens. Another example, was like the absolve I did, it could've been easily stopped, but only Leolamins attempted, but heartstopped for what reason I rolled my eyes about, but yeah, it happens where either side choose not to take the risk when its a fair chance. So, that's my viewpoint on this.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
For a nominal fee, I'll gladly assume the mantle of a mod and strike this thread with the fury of a thousand angry gods.
If that's your idea of an eye for an eye, you really need to see someone.
If you guys think I don't argue and bitch and complain and insult and wheedle and perpetuate because I care about the game and the people I play with (even you dirty Southerners), you're wrong.
== Professional Girl Gamer ==
Yes I play games
Yes I'm a girl
get over it
It only takes two taps to close the thread. Would rather do that than have to pay you to mod.
Rude. Here I am offering to help you out since you're on a Pad, and only asking a pittance of a favor. Hmph.