Inevitably, but ego regen has been eliminated across the board for this competition for reasons noted. That is why the hell you can't Penumbra.
I believe that argument has already occurred in previous years, actually.
edit: That's the thing about balance. Someone has to make the objective decision and, by definition in this context, that means some will lose something and some will gain something. Some people don't like losing things, and that's fine, but they aren't honestly interested in balance. The decision still has to be made in the end.
This is the statement that really caused me the most confusion, looking back. Because now we have a statement saying ego regen AND activated skills are fine if they're on the allowed list. So it's not an elimination of ego regen across the board.
Saesh may continue to infer that I am an idiot (which I still find highly rude and unprofessional coming from someone representing the admin, you want us to respect you, you should also use the same courtesy in your speech. I'm extremely unhappy about it and found it unwarranted. You didn't see me slinging insults at the admin) but I am genuinely confused by the seeming contradictions.
SO. Trying to make sense of this. Blanket statements don't seem to work here.
According to the rules, preparatory buffs are allowed. Would that include presetting Princess tarot? It's not a lot but beseeching princess will heal some ego also. Does that count as an activated ability?
Also, thankyou for the clarification re tinkered items.
Ego regeneration when it comes to skills is not allowed. I misspoke with that particular sentence. As was explained, ego regeneration is not allowed unless it falls under one of the "allowed" categories.
Princess tarot must be activated mid debate to have any benefit, so it is not allowed.
You opened this conversation accusing me of scolding, "wagging my finger," and misrepresenting my explanation, then stating I was being vague for answering your question about the rules but openly stating I was unable to answer your question about declaration. I admit being repeatedly accused of doing things I was not doing while I was attempting to be helpful put me on a defensive footing when it should not have, and for that and my subsequent tone which was unwarranted regardless of my reasoning, I do apologize. Your line of questioning was a valid one, and you my unconditional apology for my reaction.
The annoying thing is it's adults policing adults for behavior. I mean, come on. We all know how to act.
I'd wager admin are just afraid that our forum spats are going to be read by prospective newbies and seen as a contentious place. But I would see a serious passion whenever people gripe about x side this and y side that.
The forums should be a place for polite discussion among players on topics relevant to them (whether rants, raves, tweets, or just idle chatter). Threads that are closed are usually done so because of the lack of politeness involved in them, resulting usually in posts with an inherently negative connotation to be closed first (see: Rants).
While a small part of the reasoning behind this is to put on good face for prospective players, part of it is also to maintain a level of respect within the player base. While I do not regulate the threads, nor jail people, I do read the forums, and we (the Admin) do have discussions (the Oneiroi are usually the ones responsible for jailing/closing/etc. when things reach critical levels).
As a community, we should know when we've gone beyond a harmless argument and into attacking a person, and it is usually this extreme that results in threads being closed. If we all could maintain a level of respect for each other, even inherently negative threads like Rants would be possible, as you would argue on topics rather than attacking someone personally.
Now, as for if Tweets is going to be open again, that is up to the Oneiroi, but I guarantee you they are monitoring other threads to see how we all are interacting with one another.
Maybe we just need to have a non-policed, hidden area of the forum for people over a certain forumrank.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
As a community, we should know when we've gone beyond a harmless argument and into attacking a person, and it is usually this extreme that results in threads being closed. If we all could maintain a level of respect for each other, even inherently negative threads like Rants would be possible, as you would argue on topics rather than attacking someone personally.
This. I do wish certain individuals that seem to have some sort of blindeye to harassment, would understand when they are obviously overstepping bounds in attempts to purposely get a rise out of players.
Back on the topic of Ascension: Any comments, concerns, questions about War? The plan is to run it the same as last year, but I know it's one of those challenges where's there's always questions of "Is X allowed?".
Back on the topic of Ascension: Any comments, concerns, questions about War? The plan is to run it the same as last year, but I know it's one of those challenges where's there's always questions of "Is X allowed?".
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
Back on the topic of Ascension: Any comments, concerns, questions about War? The plan is to run it the same as last year, but I know it's one of those challenges where's there's always questions of "Is X allowed?".
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
They are allowed to compete in War. They just can't win a seal.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
... What?
True Ascended players are not allowed to participate in other Challenges because they don't need to have another seal. Every year's ascension's seals need to be held by 9 candidates who can be ascended. Participating in war, however, won't give them a seal even if they win, as long as they have a non TA in the team. Why shouldn't they be allowed to participate? This isn't a "to be fair and equal" kind of thing. This is purely logistical: every player should be allowed to participate in all challenges. The only reason TAs can't do so in some are because they need a non TA to hold a seal. Therefore, the only war team that won't be allowed to participate would be a team that has 3 TAs.
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
... What?
True Ascended players are not allowed to participate in other Challenges because they don't need to have another seal.
...ooookay, so basically the same thing I said, just with the reasoning behind the 'why'..
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
This isn't a "to be fair and equal" kind of thing. This is purely logistical: every player should be allowed to participate in all challenges. The only reason TAs can't do so in some are because they need a non TA to hold a seal. Therefore, the only war team that won't be allowed to participate would be a team that has 3 TAs.
While the concept to allow all to have a good time is a resounding common mission for all games, it should also be considered that these players have already basically won this annual contest and are one of the few that have received the special perks for it. I think it is enough of a fair trade to ask them to not compete in the other competitions as to allow other players a chance to also win as they have. Should non-ascended players have to face up against ascended ones in war? Did those same ascended players have to have such a difficulty? Surely not.
Besides, they are still allowed to compete in the most important part: The Finale. I dont see the relevance of you insisting ascended be allowed to fight in war, if anything it seems unfair to other aspiring players.
Well considering VA's have exactly the same powers as TA's and they allowed to participate, I don't think there will be much difference.
I definitely have a horse in this race since War is the only event I can "officially" join, so I don't see why I can't be allowed to help a teammate get a seal in this manner. Is it really so much different than the 100 other ways I can personally help someone win other events without actually joining it? I can still gank people in Death, debate in Harmony, lead people in Nature, skype answers in Knowledge, group up in Chaos, etc.
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
In other words: "They can't participate in Knowledge and Justice, so they should not be able to do so for War." This is quite clear, almost verbatim, unless my reading comprehension is somehow amiss, which I doubt. The only reasoning in what you said, implied or explicit was that "it should be the same". What I said was that "they don't need to have another seal" for Justice and Knowledge, and that it's fine if they participate in War because they won't get the seal even if they win. What we both said are definitely not the "same thing".
While the concept to allow all to have a good time is a resounding common mission for all games, it should also be considered that these players have already basically won this annual contest and are one of the few that have received the special perks for it. I think it is enough of a fair trade to ask them to not compete in the other competitions as to allow other players a chance to also win as they have. Should non-ascended players have to face up against ascended ones in war? Did those same ascended players have to have such a difficulty? Surely not.
Besides, they are still allowed to compete in the most important part: The Finale. I dont see the relevance of you insisting ascended be allowed to fight in war, if anything it seems unfair to other aspiring players.
If the concept to allow all to have a good time is a "resounding common mission" for all games, then why don't you consider the fact that these players are already being penalized by not being able to join 8 out of 9 of the competitions just because they won the annual contest once before? Why are you then trying to take even the last one away? Why are you only considering those who have to "face them" in 1 out of the 9 competitions? Are ascended players any less a player, any less entitled to fun just because they've won once already?
Secondly, the same ascended players most certainly did have to face ascended players when they were trying for War in all the previous years, with the exception of the first year (and maybe the second, perhaps) and if anything is unfair, it would be to these players who won despite having to face their own ascended opponents if we suddenly make it so that all future aspiring players no longer have to.
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
... What?
True Ascended players are not allowed to participate in other Challenges because they don't need to have another seal.
Except TAs are forbidden from competing at all, not simply from taking a seal. We can't win credits either - except in War.
Yeah, that's a side effect of not letting you compete because they don't want you to win, accidentally or otherwise, and get a seal. And apparently, in the one competition you can take part, win and not run the risk of grabbing a seal away from someone who isn't a TA, you "should not" take part just because. Mmhmm. I don't know about you, but if I were a TA, I won't be very happy about such a change going in.
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Like say, the ascension thread
I'd wager admin are just afraid that our forum spats are going to be read by prospective newbies and seen as a contentious place. But I would see a serious passion whenever people gripe about x side this and y side that.
Now, as for if Tweets is going to be open again, that is up to the Oneiroi, but I guarantee you they are monitoring other threads to see how we all are interacting with one another.
This. I do wish certain individuals that seem to have some sort of blindeye to harassment, would understand when they are obviously overstepping bounds in attempts to purposely get a rise out of players.
Hmm, well technically, if I recall correctly, ascended players are not allowed to compete in other challenges such as Knowledge and Justice, so I suppose it should be the same for war.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
While I'm not an admin, I'm going to say this. The answer is no.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
The current system works for war as far as I am concerned. We get to be reprehensible again, haw haw.
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...ooookay, so basically the same thing I said, just with the reasoning behind the 'why'..
While the concept to allow all to have a good time is a resounding common mission for all games, it should also be considered that these players have already basically won this annual contest and are one of the few that have received the special perks for it. I think it is enough of a fair trade to ask them to not compete in the other competitions as to allow other players a chance to also win as they have. Should non-ascended players have to face up against ascended ones in war? Did those same ascended players have to have such a difficulty? Surely not.
Besides, they are still allowed to compete in the most important part: The Finale. I dont see the relevance of you insisting ascended be allowed to fight in war, if anything it seems unfair to other aspiring players.
In other words: "They can't participate in Knowledge and Justice, so they should not be able to do so for War." This is quite clear, almost verbatim, unless my reading comprehension is somehow amiss, which I doubt. The only reasoning in what you said, implied or explicit was that "it should be the same". What I said was that "they don't need to have another seal" for Justice and Knowledge, and that it's fine if they participate in War because they won't get the seal even if they win. What we both said are definitely not the "same thing".
If the concept to allow all to have a good time is a "resounding common mission" for all games, then why don't you consider the fact that these players are already being penalized by not being able to join 8 out of 9 of the competitions just because they won the annual contest once before? Why are you then trying to take even the last one away? Why are you only considering those who have to "face them" in 1 out of the 9 competitions? Are ascended players any less a player, any less entitled to fun just because they've won once already?
Secondly, the same ascended players most certainly did have to face ascended players when they were trying for War in all the previous years, with the exception of the first year (and maybe the second, perhaps) and if anything is unfair, it would be to these players who won despite having to face their own ascended opponents if we suddenly make it so that all future aspiring players no longer have to.