Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
Ah here, that clan wasn't just a 'you should join Hallifax' clan, and people from other orgs with no intention of joining Hallifax have long been members provided they could be trusted to not metagame things. Being friendly to Hallifax helped you get an invite, yes, but it was mainly a place for general banter or chatter with a variety of people, and helped to develop OOC friendships that wouldn't have been as possible to make IC.
Marcella may have made her bed IC'ly regarding her enemying after the spitting incident, but attacking Hallifax was a reasonable action for her character to have made, and removing her (others) from an OOC clan because you don't agree with her actions since -does- make it seem that you crossed what should be an IC/OOC divide. If there were OOC reasons to remove her, fine.
So I don't agree with the 'no IC reason for you to be in an OOC clan' comment. An OOC reason should be given to boot someone from an OOC clan, just as you'd expect an IC reason to boot someone from an IC clan.
Summary? Don't be rash with booting people from the clan, or it'll turn into Halli-only clan and will lose what makes it an enjoyable (mostly) clan to be in!
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
edited March 2014
Oh, you're confused. I don't care about blame games or "fault." I'm commenting on behavior.
You have the spam spitter who used guards to gank a person at a nexus they were welcomed at for, by your own account, no real reason.
Then you have the guy who made a point to cause an epic fuss over getting ganked in faethorn when he was "uninvolved" or "just watching" the raid going 10 rooms away...now ganking legitimately uninvoled people in retaliation to, also by your own account, a gank that failed to kill you.
So here's the deal with being a PKer, we are all lumped together. We're a community within a community, and more than the RPers, designers, or any other other subgroup, we are subject to very broad stereotyping and generalizations. The imporant part of this is that the health of the PK environment of any given game is assessed by outsiders based on the generalizations of the game specific pk community. These generalizations are often the worst aspects (or individuals) of our community, because they are often the most visible. Now, you'll have some that argue it's the "griefers" or the unapologetic raiders that "ruin" the PK environent for outsiders. This is false. An active PK community supercedes these aspects when we are discussing what draws PKers to a game. What becomes a detriment to the growth of the community is poor sportsmanship. PKers are generally pretty liberal in what they accept from other PKers in terms of motivations, "because I like to PK," is almost always enough of a reason to satisfy the question "why did you do that?" However, spam spite emotes (who was the guy that used to spam the rofl emote when they were getting murdered?), PKers using guards to get back at one another. and double standards for what you allow from others and from yourself/your team create an environment of dishonesty and negativity. It creates pettiness that reaches far beyond the scope of the pk environment. If you have to answer "Why did you do that?" with some convoluted story involving spam spitting, guard ganking, astral mobbing, lowbie decapping, OOC clan booting he-said-she-said...
The moral of the story is: Be a griefy asshole if you want, but don't be a petty, spiteful, hypocritical, griefy asshole. It makes us all look bad.
And this has been an episode of Celina's Ramblngs: An Unsolicited PK Health Perspective.
Oh, you're confused. I don't care about blame games or "fault." I'm commenting on behavior.
You have the spam spitter who used guards to gank a person at a nexus they were welcomed at for, by your own account, no real reason.
Then you have the guy who made a point to cause an epic fuss over getting ganked in faethorn when he was "uninvolved" or "just watching" the raid going 10 rooms away...now ganking legitimately uninvoled people in retaliation to, also by your own account, a gank that failed to kill you.
So here's the deal with being a PKer, we are all lumped together. We're a community within a community, and more than the RPers, designers, or any other other subgroup, we are subject to very broad stereotyping and generalizations. The imporant part of this is that the health of the PK environment of any given game is assessed by outsiders based on the generalizations of the game specific pk community. These generalizations are often the worst aspects (or individuals) of our community, because they are often the most visible. Now, you'll have some that argue it's the "griefers" or the unapologetic raiders that "ruin" the PK environent for outsiders. This is false. An active PK community supercedes these aspects when we are discussing what draws PKers to a game. What becomes a detriment to the growth of the community is poor sportsmanship. PKers are generally pretty liberal in what they accept from other PKers in terms of motivations, "because I like to PK," is almost always enough of a reason to satisfy the question "why did you do that?" However, spam spite emotes (who was the guy that used to spam the rofl emote when they were getting murdered?), PKers using guards to get back at one another. and double standards for what you allow from others and from yourself/your team create an environment of dishonesty and negativity. It creates pettiness that reaches far beyond the scope of the pk environment. If you have to answer "Why did you do that?" with some convoluted story involving spam spitting, guard ganking, astral mobbing, lowbie decapping, OOC clan booting he-said-she-said...
The moral of the story is: Be a griefy asshole if you want, but don't be a petty, spiteful, hypocritical, griefy asshole. It makes us all look bad.
And this has been an episode of Celina's Ramblngs: An Unsolicited PK Health Perspective.
Actually, get your facts straight before making comments. Or at least the whole story. Whatever, I have a temper that I lost there and I apologized later for doing so. The enemying thing was not for "no reason at all" as you'd like to put it either, but hey, it's always Elanorwen's fault, no matter what happens, yeah?
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
This post was going to be filled with an angsty, snappish attack at Celina and how apparently her time "away" from Lusternia gave her a voice of reason. Instead, I'll just say that I made a mistake, worse things have happened, time to move on. If Marcella wants back into the clan, she can rejoin the clan.
As for Deino being a lowbie, she's ranked 271st and I've seen her on raids. Just saying.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
actually it depends on how verbose the reasoning is. the more verbose the more you're lashing out. this is been established don't you read forums ?
When your status declaration consists of, "He is attacking the defenseless, behaving like a true coward that he is."
Rather than "Dreamweave attacking citizens in the city".
Yeah, that doesn't scream 'I'm butthurt for being snubbed'.
Your whole argument of being descriptive so people know what happened is BS. But good job peppering this thread with your passive aggressive jetsam and flotsam.
"A man's not dead while his name is still spoken." - Terry Pratchett 1948-2015
As for booting people for OOC reasons, I didn't see people besides myself complaining when Talan kicked Maerad out of the fully-Hallifaxian clan because she was playing Tacita during the Death Seal.
Edit: Or when Shaddus was kicked out of Jhagar because I was playing Pesukaru more. 8-|
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Oh, you're confused. I don't care about blame games or "fault." I'm commenting on behavior.
You have the spam spitter who used guards to gank a person at a nexus they were welcomed at for, by your own account, no real reason.
Then you have the guy who made a point to cause an epic fuss over getting ganked in faethorn when he was "uninvolved" or "just watching" the raid going 10 rooms away...now ganking legitimately uninvoled people in retaliation to, also by your own account, a gank that failed to kill you.
So here's the deal with being a PKer, we are all lumped together. We're a community within a community, and more than the RPers, designers, or any other other subgroup, we are subject to very broad stereotyping and generalizations. The imporant part of this is that the health of the PK environment of any given game is assessed by outsiders based on the generalizations of the game specific pk community. These generalizations are often the worst aspects (or individuals) of our community, because they are often the most visible. Now, you'll have some that argue it's the "griefers" or the unapologetic raiders that "ruin" the PK environent for outsiders. This is false. An active PK community supercedes these aspects when we are discussing what draws PKers to a game. What becomes a detriment to the growth of the community is poor sportsmanship. PKers are generally pretty liberal in what they accept from other PKers in terms of motivations, "because I like to PK," is almost always enough of a reason to satisfy the question "why did you do that?" However, spam spite emotes (who was the guy that used to spam the rofl emote when they were getting murdered?), PKers using guards to get back at one another. and double standards for what you allow from others and from yourself/your team create an environment of dishonesty and negativity. It creates pettiness that reaches far beyond the scope of the pk environment. If you have to answer "Why did you do that?" with some convoluted story involving spam spitting, guard ganking, astral mobbing, lowbie decapping, OOC clan booting he-said-she-said...
The moral of the story is: Be a griefy asshole if you want, but don't be a petty, spiteful, hypocritical, griefy asshole. It makes us all look bad.
And this has been an episode of Celina's Ramblngs: An Unsolicited PK Health Perspective.
Actually, get your facts straight before making comments. Or at least the whole story. Whatever, I have a temper that I lost there and I apologized later for doing so. The enemying thing was not for "no reason at all" as you'd like to put it either, but hey, it's always Elanorwen's fault, no matter what happens, yeah?
This post was going to be filled with an angsty, snappish attack at Celina and how apparently her time "away" from Lusternia gave her a voice of reason. Instead, I'll just say that I made a mistake, worse things have happened, time to move on. If Marcella wants back into the clan, she can rejoin the clan.
As for Deino being a lowbie, she's ranked 271st and I've seen her on raids. Just saying.
I'm still the same person with the same opinions. I just sound more reasonable when I'm not actively ganking you.
I remember a long time ago insisting that Hallifax didn't have cliques, then I realized I just wasn't in the cool kids' group.
We tried to invite you to the clubhouse, but you refused
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I was told by a person in an order that my designed tattoo of their god looked really good. /glee
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I'm feeling pretty good about not giving people boot privileges in PF now. Definitely a good move.
Self congratulatory pat on the back here.
Gg kicking people out of your clan due to not liking their main, dying ingame, competing against them or even just belonging to an enemy org.
PS Shaddus makes the best tweets. He actually mentions exact situations and doesnt make vague facebook tweets.
I'm feeling pretty good about not giving people boot privileges in PF now. Definitely a good move.
Self congratulatory pat on the back here.
Gg kicking people out of your clan due to not liking their main, dying ingame, competing against them or even just belonging to an enemy org.
PS Shaddus makes the best tweets. He actually mentions exact situations and doesnt make vague facebook tweets.
I wouldn't ragequit PF, the emotes are too epic. I'd love to be able to do them without a stole/mask
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I'm feeling pretty good about not giving people boot privileges in PF now. Definitely a good move.
Self congratulatory pat on the back here.
Gg kicking people out of your clan due to not liking their main, dying ingame, competing against them or even just belonging to an enemy org.
PS Shaddus makes the best tweets. He actually mentions exact situations and doesnt make vague facebook tweets.
I feel like letting people cltoff or quit on their own is a better antidrama measure than forcefully kicking them out. At least they are in control all the way to the end.
You know what is the best measure? Taking it to tells and not arguing about it publically.
I feel like letting people cltoff or quit on their own is a better antidrama measure than forcefully kicking them out. At least they are in control all the way to the end. You know what is the best measure? Taking it to tells and not arguing about it publically.
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Marcella may have made her bed IC'ly regarding her enemying after the spitting incident, but attacking Hallifax was a reasonable action for her character to have made, and removing her (others) from an OOC clan because you don't agree with her actions since -does- make it seem that you crossed what should be an IC/OOC divide. If there were OOC reasons to remove her, fine.
So I don't agree with the 'no IC reason for you to be in an OOC clan' comment. An OOC reason should be given to boot someone from an OOC clan, just as you'd expect an IC reason to boot someone from an IC clan.
Summary? Don't be rash with booting people from the clan, or it'll turn into Halli-only clan and will lose what makes it an enjoyable (mostly) clan to be in!
Oh, you're confused. I don't care about blame games or "fault." I'm commenting on behavior.
You have the spam spitter who used guards to gank a person at a nexus they were welcomed at for, by your own account, no real reason.
Then you have the guy who made a point to cause an epic fuss over getting ganked in faethorn when he was "uninvolved" or "just watching" the raid going 10 rooms away...now ganking legitimately uninvoled people in retaliation to, also by your own account, a gank that failed to kill you.
So here's the deal with being a PKer, we are all lumped together. We're a community within a community, and more than the RPers, designers, or any other other subgroup, we are subject to very broad stereotyping and generalizations. The imporant part of this is that the health of the PK environment of any given game is assessed by outsiders based on the generalizations of the game specific pk community. These generalizations are often the worst aspects (or individuals) of our community, because they are often the most visible. Now, you'll have some that argue it's the "griefers" or the unapologetic raiders that "ruin" the PK environent for outsiders. This is false. An active PK community supercedes these aspects when we are discussing what draws PKers to a game. What becomes a detriment to the growth of the community is poor sportsmanship. PKers are generally pretty liberal in what they accept from other PKers in terms of motivations, "because I like to PK," is almost always enough of a reason to satisfy the question "why did you do that?" However, spam spite emotes (who was the guy that used to spam the rofl emote when they were getting murdered?), PKers using guards to get back at one another. and double standards for what you allow from others and from yourself/your team create an environment of dishonesty and negativity. It creates pettiness that reaches far beyond the scope of the pk environment. If you have to answer "Why did you do that?" with some convoluted story involving spam spitting, guard ganking, astral mobbing, lowbie decapping, OOC clan booting he-said-she-said...
The moral of the story is: Be a griefy asshole if you want, but don't be a petty, spiteful, hypocritical, griefy asshole. It makes us all look bad.
And this has been an episode of Celina's Ramblngs: An Unsolicited PK Health Perspective.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
"A man's not dead while his name is still spoken." - Terry Pratchett 1948-2015
Edit: Or when Shaddus was kicked out of Jhagar because I was playing Pesukaru more. 8-|
I'm still the same person with the same opinions. I just sound more reasonable when I'm not actively ganking you.
Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
Self congratulatory pat on the back here.
Gg kicking people out of your clan due to not liking their main, dying ingame, competing against them or even just belonging to an enemy org.
PS Shaddus makes the best tweets. He actually mentions exact situations and doesnt make vague facebook tweets.
Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
I was told by a person in an order that my designed tattoo of their god looked really good. /glee
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You are very cordial.
I'm totally not making this up.
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You totally did not fix it; it is still there even after this post!
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You know what is the best measure? Taking it to tells and not arguing about it publically.
I'm pretty sure that as far as Hallifax is concerned, you're the Prom King.
Vive l'apostrophe!