5. Personal attacks are not allowed. Debate the post, not the poster. Personal attacks are taken seriously,
and may, at the discretion of the moderating team, result in in-game
consequences for your character(s).
Whether or not a remark
constitutes a personal attack is a matter for the moderating team, which
may or may not act on any given post report at the moderators'
discretion. Factors which may influence moderators' decisions include
the tone of the offending remark, the gravity of the insult, the context
of the remark within the post and the post within the thread.
If she doesn't want to address the post and instead make off the wall remarks in a futile attempt to deflect from her obvious hypocrisy, then I think it just proves my point, that her slanted views are indeed slanted and thus not reliable information.
5. Personal attacks are not allowed. Debate the post, not the poster. Personal attacks are taken seriously,
and may, at the discretion of the moderating team, result in in-game
consequences for your character(s).
Whether or not a remark
constitutes a personal attack is a matter for the moderating team, which
may or may not act on any given post report at the moderators'
discretion. Factors which may influence moderators' decisions include
the tone of the offending remark, the gravity of the insult, the context
of the remark within the post and the post within the thread.
You mean like calling people hypocrites? Or naming them 'angry preteen'?
Either way, I have asked said individual to not respond to my posts. I have to take the persistence as an attempt at something at this point, clearly he wants to draw my attention to him. Now, just because I'm making a joke that is mean to imply he should stop bothering me with his comments doesn't mean I have tried to insult him, but believe what you will. Like I said, the discussion is over due to trolling. Expect no further posts on the subject from me.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
5. Personal attacks are not allowed. Debate the post, not the poster. Personal attacks are taken seriously,
and may, at the discretion of the moderating team, result in in-game
consequences for your character(s).
Whether or not a remark
constitutes a personal attack is a matter for the moderating team, which
may or may not act on any given post report at the moderators'
discretion. Factors which may influence moderators' decisions include
the tone of the offending remark, the gravity of the insult, the context
of the remark within the post and the post within the thread.
You mean like calling people hypocrites? Or naming them 'angry preteen'?
Either way, I have asked said individual to not respond to my posts. I have to take the persistence as an attempt at something at this point, clearly he wants to draw my attention to him. Now, just because I'm making a joke that is mean to imply he should stop bothering me with his comments doesn't mean I have tried to insult him, but believe what you will. Like I said, the discussion is over due to trolling. Expect no further posts on the subject from me.
Pointing out hypocrisy is actually valid; it's not a personal attack to point out that someone is tripping over their own words by saying one thing in a certain circumstance and the complete opposite under another circumstance.
The angry pre-teen comment was in direct response to your accusations of "bubble-gum in your hair," which... um... yeah. You called him a pre-teen first.
None of this changes the fact that you decided to just go all-in on an attack on his character at the end.
There's no real need for any of the personal stuff. If you want to debate things with people, then by all means, do so; just try to stay away from going after the person.
Edit: It is possible to have civil debates on the forums. I think Maellio and I had one, in fact, during the rest of this little conversation; I fully agree with his new choice of terms, it is much more fitting than neutral. Civil debates are much more fun to participate in, and I imagine to read for most forum-dwellers (aside from the ones who love popcorn too much).
I have one chapter left for the book I began writing ages and ages ago and that I've been saying is nearly done for months. Hopefully it won't take as long for this last chapter to be done. (Ha)
I swear to fragging Christ, if your argument gets me jailed by Nocht again I'm going to hunt you down IRL and glitterbomb you.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I swear to fragging Christ, if your argument gets me jailed by Nocht again I'm going to hunt you down IRL and glitterbomb you.
We all know you are both Sidd and Elanorwen at the same time; you are just arguing with yourself out of some repressed desire to be thrown in jail by a riled-up Nocht.
If I wasn't on my phone from work I would be posting some futurama pic of Zapp Brannigan saying how neutral of you right now. Or something to that effect.
The angry pre-teen comment was in direct response to your accusations of "bubble-gum in your hair," which... um... yeah. You called him a pre-teen first.
None of this changes the fact that you decided to just go all-in on an attack on his character at the end.
There's no real need for any of the personal stuff. If you want to debate things with people, then by all means, do so; just try to stay away from going after the person.
Edit: It is possible to have civil debates on the forums. I think Maellio and I had one, in fact, during the rest of this little conversation; I fully agree with his new choice of terms, it is much more fitting than neutral. Civil debates are much more fun to participate in, and I imagine to read for most forum-dwellers (aside from the ones who love popcorn too much).
And two wrongs make a right, suddenly?
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
The angry pre-teen comment was in direct response to your accusations of "bubble-gum in your hair," which... um... yeah. You called him a pre-teen first.
None of this changes the fact that you decided to just go all-in on an attack on his character at the end.
There's no real need for any of the personal stuff. If you want to debate things with people, then by all means, do so; just try to stay away from going after the person.
Edit: It is possible to have civil debates on the forums. I think Maellio and I had one, in fact, during the rest of this little conversation; I fully agree with his new choice of terms, it is much more fitting than neutral. Civil debates are much more fun to participate in, and I imagine to read for most forum-dwellers (aside from the ones who love popcorn too much).
And two wrongs make a right, suddenly?
Where exactly did you get the impression I was saying it was right? I am pointing out how not-right I feel it is for you to go where you did. I am doing so to you because I feel like you have gone a lot further into the realm of personal-attack than he did, and am specifically pointing out the comment where I feel it has gone too far.
Yes, the two of you could have just not started it in the first place (and that would have been preferable), but there was no reason even then for it to escalate as it did. Trying to /divert it does not make this any less valid; it should never have gone there. If you wanted a discussion, you should not have posted what you did. If you didn't, you probably should not have replied at all at that point.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Elanorwen, I offer you some advice.
Not everything is a personal attack or an insult. If you make comments with the purpose of satirizing adolescent behavior, I.E. the gum in the hair flirting comment, it's not attacking you to say you are behaving as an adolescent would. That was literally your intent. Trying to abuse the system to demonstrate your moral high ground isn't going to get you far.
Synkarin is overly abrasive in almost all of his posts, and I feel that his initial response to this topic was definitely a personal attack against Elanorwen. (Unbiased opinion, nothing to do with partisan/in-game politics.) Her response is not really surprising, though it's also not justified, by any means.
Elanorwen, I offer you some advice.
Not everything is a personal attack or an insult. If you make comments with the purpose of satirizing adolescent behavior, I.E. the gum in the hair flirting comment, it's not attacking you to say you are behaving as an adolescent would. That was literally your intent. Trying to abuse the system to demonstrate your moral high ground isn't going to get you far.
He has been asked on more than one occasion to not reply to my posts, to not acknowledge my posts as existing, to forget I exist beyond trying to kill me in game. If he persists in trying to do so when I'm not talking to/about/regarding/concerning him, then he clearly is expecting something out of me, and every post he makes drips with personal attacks aimed at me (Hence the request to not post anything aimed at me), so yes... at this point, it is obvious that he is trying to get my attention... be it to make me lose my temper and go off on him, something that he should really be avoiding on doing because it pretty much comes close to harassment at this point, or he's trying to get my attention with other reasons, hence the flirting comments. I choose to believe that he's not a complete a-hole, so I go with the milder case... i.e. flirting rather than seeing harassment.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
Let's face it "It's ok when we do it, but how dare you..." has been a mantra of several posters on these forums, the previous forums, the facebook group, in game, on Skype and probably on Twitter the one brief period it was used for this game.
People trying to grab the moral highground and complain about X/Y/Z never do so when it works out in their favour. Complain about numbers yet happily jump in on fights where you outnumber near 2:1 or more (and still make a mess of it at times.) Complain about damage kills, and call them cheese, yet try for them yourself (and then vehemently deny that you're a propagator of it for extra comical effect.) Or insult people and then cry foul when people turn it on you to come across as a baby who spat their dummy out the pram for the n'th time.
I'm not going to name names in the above, because it's not one person, or one group of people. It happens in multiple places in different orgs on both sides of the conflict. Just like there's people on both sides who will simply call a spade a spade and be blunt honest, even if it means calling their own comrades out on their shit.
This forum needs less of the former, and more of the latter.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
You've been asked on more than one occasion not to post hypocritical complaints!
If you're going to come running here to complain about something that you happen to do ALL the time, I'm going to continue to point out that you do it ALL the time. The 'complain for change' attitude of certain individuals drives me absolutely nuts, especially when those individuals are completely ignorant and wrong with their points.
Can I be abrasive? Sure, I definitely can, tact is not my strong suit, but I'm not going to sugarcoat observations because certain individuals get their feelings hurt. It's definitely only certain individuals that get the abrasive side of me. If you want to ignorantly and hypocritically complain about things over and over, I'm going to call you out on it. If you can't handle the heat, don't start the fire.
Elanorwen, I offer you some advice.
Not everything is a personal attack or an insult. If you make comments with the purpose of satirizing adolescent behavior, I.E. the gum in the hair flirting comment, it's not attacking you to say you are behaving as an adolescent would. That was literally your intent. Trying to abuse the system to demonstrate your moral high ground isn't going to get you far.
He has been asked on more than one occasion to not reply to my posts, to not acknowledge my posts as existing, to forget I exist beyond trying to kill me in game. If he persists in trying to do so when I'm not talking to/about/regarding/concerning him, then he clearly is expecting something out of me, and every post he makes drips with personal attacks aimed at me (Hence the request to not post anything aimed at me), so yes... at this point, it is obvious that he is trying to get my attention... be it to make me lose my temper and go off on him, something that he should really be avoiding on doing because it pretty much comes close to harassment at this point, or he's trying to get my attention with other reasons, hence the flirting comments. I choose to believe that he's not a complete a-hole, so I go with the milder case... i.e. flirting rather than seeing harassment.
Alternatively you could stop posting absolute inane drivel that drips with hypocrisy and he'd stop calling you out on it.
Let's keep flirting/harassment accusations out of this, they're about as well founded as Xena claiming people are mad when they're not. It's poor attempts to detract from criticism of your poor posting in a public forum.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Elanorwen, I offer you some advice. Not everything is a personal attack or an insult. If you make comments with the purpose of satirizing adolescent behavior, I.E. the gum in the hair flirting comment, it's not attacking you to say you are behaving as an adolescent would. That was literally your intent. Trying to abuse the system to demonstrate your moral high ground isn't going to get you far.
He has been asked on more than one occasion to not reply to my posts, to not acknowledge my posts as existing, to forget I exist beyond trying to kill me in game. If he persists in trying to do so when I'm not talking to/about/regarding/concerning him, then he clearly is expecting something out of me, and every post he makes drips with personal attacks aimed at me (Hence the request to not post anything aimed at me), so yes... at this point, it is obvious that he is trying to get my attention... be it to make me lose my temper and go off on him, something that he should really be avoiding on doing because it pretty much comes close to harassment at this point, or he's trying to get my attention with other reasons, hence the flirting comments. I choose to believe that he's not a complete a-hole, so I go with the milder case... i.e. flirting rather than seeing harassment.
Bullpatootie. Don't try to play off the "flirting" comments as a genuine concern of yours. I genuinely hope you aren't that narcissitic.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Quick question: When ascendants die, they insta-phoenix right? Do they never leave behind a body then? Are there any exceptions to this?
We used to leave behind corpses, but I think something changed within the last few months that has caused a lot of bugs with corpses. Maybe the change to allow corpses to be targettable by name? I have an open bug on it and a few other related issues.
Quick question: When ascendants die, they insta-phoenix right? Do they never leave behind a body then? Are there any exceptions to this?
According to HELP ASCENDANTS they slowly reform in the Domoth Realms upon death, but can speed this up using the REINCARNATE command, assuming they have enough essence to do so. No idea how long it would take them to reform, but I'm guessing it is comparable to the current delay on being able to PHOENIX
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Hrm, I always considered leaving a body =/= leaving a fossil/pile of ashes/crucified remains/etc (but that is just me - then again causing fossils/tombstone/etc requires a body in the first place)
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
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I thought that was explicitly against forum rules, in fact.
Whether or not a remark constitutes a personal attack is a matter for the moderating team, which may or may not act on any given post report at the moderators' discretion. Factors which may influence moderators' decisions include the tone of the offending remark, the gravity of the insult, the context of the remark within the post and the post within the thread.
Either way, I have asked said individual to not respond to my posts. I have to take the persistence as an attempt at something at this point, clearly he wants to draw my attention to him. Now, just because I'm making a joke that is mean to imply he should stop bothering me with his comments doesn't mean I have tried to insult him, but believe what you will. Like I said, the discussion is over due to trolling. Expect no further posts on the subject from me.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
The angry pre-teen comment was in direct response to your accusations of "bubble-gum in your hair," which... um... yeah. You called him a pre-teen first.
None of this changes the fact that you decided to just go all-in on an attack on his character at the end.
There's no real need for any of the personal stuff. If you want to debate things with people, then by all means, do so; just try to stay away from going after the person.
Edit: It is possible to have civil debates on the forums. I think Maellio and I had one, in fact, during the rest of this little conversation; I fully agree with his new choice of terms, it is much more fitting than neutral. Civil debates are much more fun to participate in, and I imagine to read for most forum-dwellers (aside from the ones who love popcorn too much).
Foiled by work again!
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
Yes, the two of you could have just not started it in the first place (and that would have been preferable), but there was no reason even then for it to escalate as it did. Trying to /divert it does not make this any less valid; it should never have gone there. If you wanted a discussion, you should not have posted what you did. If you didn't, you probably should not have replied at all at that point.
He has been asked on more than one occasion to not reply to my posts, to not acknowledge my posts as existing, to forget I exist beyond trying to kill me in game. If he persists in trying to do so when I'm not talking to/about/regarding/concerning him, then he clearly is expecting something out of me, and every post he makes drips with personal attacks aimed at me (Hence the request to not post anything aimed at me), so yes... at this point, it is obvious that he is trying to get my attention... be it to make me lose my temper and go off on him, something that he should really be avoiding on doing because it pretty much comes close to harassment at this point, or he's trying to get my attention with other reasons, hence the flirting comments. I choose to believe that he's not a complete a-hole, so I go with the milder case... i.e. flirting rather than seeing harassment.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
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Let's face it "It's ok when we do it, but how dare you..." has been a mantra of several posters on these forums, the previous forums, the facebook group, in game, on Skype and probably on Twitter the one brief period it was used for this game.
People trying to grab the moral highground and complain about X/Y/Z never do so when it works out in their favour. Complain about numbers yet happily jump in on fights where you outnumber near 2:1 or more (and still make a mess of it at times.) Complain about damage kills, and call them cheese, yet try for them yourself (and then vehemently deny that you're a propagator of it for extra comical effect.) Or insult people and then cry foul when people turn it on you to come across as a baby who spat their dummy out the pram for the n'th time.
I'm not going to name names in the above, because it's not one person, or one group of people. It happens in multiple places in different orgs on both sides of the conflict. Just like there's people on both sides who will simply call a spade a spade and be blunt honest, even if it means calling their own comrades out on their shit.
This forum needs less of the former, and more of the latter.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Let's keep flirting/harassment accusations out of this, they're about as well founded as Xena claiming people are mad when they're not. It's poor attempts to detract from criticism of your poor posting in a public forum.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Bullpatootie. Don't try to play off the "flirting" comments as a genuine concern of yours. I genuinely hope you aren't that narcissitic.
When they get decapped, I think they still leave one behind. Otherwise I've never seen it.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
2014/04/22 16:03:06 - +13634 essence from the corpse of Synkarin by Elanorwen.
They leave a corpse, from the look of things... unless they reform, I'd assume.
Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?