I don't understand what the problem is, but I'm still new here.
However, it seems confusing to be upset about. We play games to have fun. Lots of us play multiple games. If a group of my friends finds themselves online in WoW and decide to do a PUG raid, I'd appreciate them letting me know so I can swap over if interested! I tell people to message me if they want to do RP in Lusternia, if I'm playing another game. Sometimes there are only certain events in Lusternia that I'm in the mood for, so I will idle and jump in when I see or hear something that catches my interest. Is that cheating or unfair? That seems like a common practice in gaming.
So ... Psure this is my first post. But uh, just wanted to explain the random like of a post. I'm not taking sides with anyone in this thread. Or maybe I am. I don't know, I haven't really read it. I just liked the post. Honestly, who fucking cares? It happens with every game, everywhere, even not on computers. I once(only once) played a game of football(American). When teams were uneven they called people to make teams bigger. Also .. I don't know why I'm posting. I just don't understand why people really give a shit about it.
This seriously could've ended at Synkarin's post that y'all agreed with. Can you like, stop. Seriously, what's your goal at this point? Just because someone leapt to an incorrect conclusion, doesn't mean you have to harp on them until the end of time. Lord knows you people get your backs up when someone does the same thing to you. Take a step back. Deep breath. Type up an angry reply and delete the draft instead of hitting post if you need to, but stop doing this.
Just saying, I've always appreciated when people have poked me to tell me Morgfyre is around, or something cool is going on. I get the frustration in opposition appearing when we don't want it but, encouraging people to actively play the game is awesome. Everyone should come play more.
Ok I think the lesson we all need to take is that we need to stop telling Lavinya when Morgfyre is around.
Or even we should start hiding him when she comes along. She can be all like "Omg I thought I saw Morgfyre here!" and then we'll be all nonchalant while he's hiding behind the sofa.
Ok I think the lesson we all need to take is that we need to stop telling Lavinya when Morgfyre is around.
Or even we should start hiding him when she comes along. She can be all like "Omg I thought I saw Morgfyre here!" and then we'll be all nonchalant while he's hiding behind the sofa.
Ok I think the lesson we all need to take is that we need to stop telling Lavinya when Morgfyre is around.
Or even we should start hiding him when she comes along. She can be all like "Omg I thought I saw Morgfyre here!" and then we'll be all nonchalant while he's hiding behind the sofa.
Taking Phoebus' advice, all I'll say is I don't believe certain people and their story and leave it there.
Instead I want to explain my objection to batphoning, and the attitudes I've seen it create both with people I've played alongside and against.
Warning. It's long. If you want a TLDR, tough.
Yes sometimes you don't have the numbers to do what you want, and that sucks. I know, I've been there. But the minute you decide you want to metagame and use out of game communication to either equal (or gain advantage) in numbers you enter an arms race. If you do it, so can the people you go against.
When I last played I was in a Glom skype channel and made it clear I never wanted to be alerted to in game events or pushed to log on, unless it was a divine run event (they put a lot of work into their stuff and it should be enjoyed by everyone) I also made it clear I'd never be mentioning when things are ongoing in game, except said divine events ongoing.
If people want to play, they'll log in. If they aren't interested they won't be, now that you can afk in your manse for eternity (or till your connection bottoms out) there's no reason to not be around if you really want to find out when a fight is brewing.
I was witnessing a really unpleasant atmosphere where people were being made to feel like they had to log online, that if they didn't come to this domoth/raid/revolt/whatever else they were letting others down and that they weren't contributing (Side note, if you're one of those people that acts like you are the only people doing anything because you log in and fight, stop. You're only going to make people want to log in less so they don't have to deal with you.) I was listening to friend and foe speak ill of other players because they didn't feel obliged to log in and do something because of some event beyond their control.
People weren't asking these people to come online because they wanted to play with them and have fun, they were telling them to come online because they wanted to win.
I refused to get involved in the culture because I didn't want to contribute to that end. Watching fights not happen because one side suddenly gained a large influx of numbers that weren't previously there didn't make the game fun for anyone, because almost no one is going to run into an obvious suicide mission designed to win and farm kills while patting each other on the back about how amazing they are.
And no, none of this is aimed at one org, or one side. It has happened everywhere at some point, and I don't like it regardless.
Now what I've always been fine with is asking people in game "Hey. Planning this later, you gonna be around?" or "This event is this weekend, you free?" No obligations and a way to try and get a rough headcount of what you have available. Which is why I like the idea Sidd have of having a gamewide channel, not restricted to an org or a side, where things can be planned for everyone to get their PK rocks on. Personally I hope it works, I'm certainly interested in using it for things once the lag affecting larger battles is resolved.
But you could raid Glom tomorrow, murder the Avatars, kill Crow, chop every last elder and godknows what else you think of doing and if I'm not logged in and someone tries to get in touch with me to tell me to log on right there and then to help, they'll get told to sod off.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Taking Phoebus' advice, all I'll say is I don't believe certain people and their story and leave it there.
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That's the opposite of her advice.
I didn't write an angry reply, or quote people and continue the discussion, just stated my position and left it, as opposed to harp on at them till the end of time about this incident.
Edit: I even wrote a whole reply first responding to individuals and deleted it.
The rest of the post was my experiences and objection to batphoning in general, and why I really like Sidd's idea.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
I don't really care about batphoning and the ethics of batphoning, whether it's beneficial or detrimental to the game or if there's a positive way to use it. I'm more concerned that you're so absolutely certain that I was batphoned on my Thanksgiving break, at 9ish AM CST, when I saw the flux the day before and knew where the dormancies would end. I'm also concerned by things like "You'll obviously forgive me if I am skeptical of your story" or "I just don't believe certain people and their stories". Your rhetoric is dripping with self-righteousness and arrogance, and it's really troubling to me that you have some twisted expectation of how myself and my friends behave.
"I get you guys don't like people calling you out on lame tactics, because
it makes you look worse than you'd like to perceive you are, but tough.
You do it, own up to it."
...we didn't do anything, so we're not going to own up to anything. That's pretty much the bottom line. I hope you are mature enough to admit that your accusations are completely groundless, especially when you are so completely out of touch with the PK environment these days and given the facts of the situation.
You know what I dislike? People who have the plague and seem to get a kick out of it. They log on and spit phlegm in other peoples' faces. Then they just log right off instead of getting it cured.
You know what I dislike more? When it's someone who I have personally cured the plague off of at least twice, when they were doing this previously.
If you get the plague, have the courtesy to get it cured. Tell people you have it, maybe avoid population centers. Don't make the rest of us run around the game repeatedly to clean up your mess because you can't be bothered to put in the barest minimum of effort and / or think it's fun to screw with us.
Thank you.
And stop just logging in / spitting / logging off at a Nexus.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable. Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
lol batphooones. Back in my daaaay, there was a player who created a script to literally send a message to the player's own mobile if there was a flare, revolt, domoth, etc. happening. There were also scripts to reliably check what players were currently logged in, through completely OOC means. Those were the daaays.
lol batphooones. Back in my daaaay, there was a player who created a script to literally send a message to the player's own mobile if there was a flare, revolt, domoth, etc. happening. There were also scripts to reliably check what players were currently logged in, through completely OOC means. Those were the daaays.
That topic was so last hour. We're ranting about plagues now!
When I last played I was in a Glom skype channel and made it clear I never wanted to be alerted to in game events or pushed to log on, unless it was a divine run event (they put a lot of work into their stuff and it should be enjoyed by everyone) I also made it clear I'd never be mentioning when things are ongoing in game, except said divine events ongoing.
I read this as I'm against batphoning unless it's something I personally approve of because it's shitty when I don't approve of it, but a-ok when I do.
No one should ever feel compelled to log in if they don't want to, but that's an entire other dynamic than what you're complaining about (and I think your complaint is so far off base to reality anyways). If people want to be batphoned in, let them. There's literally zero difference between afking in a manse waiting for something to happen and doing something else waiting for something to happen except the logged in part.
When I last played I was in a Glom skype channel and made it clear I never wanted to be alerted to in game events or pushed to log on, unless it was a divine run event (they put a lot of work into their stuff and it should be enjoyed by everyone) I also made it clear I'd never be mentioning when things are ongoing in game, except said divine events ongoing.
I read this as I'm against batphoning unless it's something I personally approve of because it's shitty when I don't approve of it, but a-ok when I do.
Then you weren't reading it, clearly.
You can call people in for all sorts of things, PK, events, bashing, aether hunts, RP, theater work. Nowhere did I say it's shitty if people choose to do it for those.
I personally choose not to, with that one exception.
But of course you knew that, and you're just looking for an argument.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
I'm sure all this PK stuff is very interesting, but let us take a moment to focus upon the important issue at hand here: My e-great-grandson got e-married and didn't even invite his e-great-grandma to attend the ceremony! The nerve!
@Falmiis, you are now slightly less my favorite great-grandson. You are hereby grounded for a month and have to rake the rock garden in Erudio every day, and it has to be perfect. I also expect high-quality great-great-grandbabies in the future. Only the best great-great-grandbabies. (<3 Falmiis and Aramel, I hope you post the wedding log!)
Meanwhile, if you want to use this scorn as an excellent reason to open relations with your grandfather and grandmother on the other side of the family tree, feel free.
I'm sure all this PK stuff is very interesting, but let us take a moment to focus upon the important issue at hand here: My e-grandson got e-married and didn't even invite his e-great-grandma to attend the ceremony! The nerve!
@Falmiis, you are now slightly less my favorite great-grandson. You are hereby grounded for a month and have to rake the rock garden in Erudio every day, and it has to be perfect. I also expect high-quality great-great-grandbabies in the future. Only the best great-great-grandbabies. (<3 Falmiis and Aramel, I hope you post the wedding log!)
Man I thought I was good at complaining. I think I'll have to cede my title. There was no batphoning, unless you mean coordinating events hours before they occur. In that case I suppose we did.
(I'm the mom of Hallifax btw, so if you are in Hallifax please call me mom.)
== Professional Girl Gamer == Yes I play games Yes I'm a girl get over it
I'm sure all this PK stuff is very interesting, but let us take a moment to focus upon the important issue at hand here: My e-grandson got e-married and didn't even invite his e-great-grandma to attend the ceremony! The nerve!
@Falmiis, you are now slightly less my favorite great-grandson. You are hereby grounded for a month and have to rake the rock garden in Erudio every day, and it has to be perfect. I also expect high-quality great-great-grandbabies in the future. Only the best great-great-grandbabies. (<3 Falmiis and Aramel, I hope you post the wedding log!)
I sent out a few invitations and then promptly felt overwhelmed So instead I will blame @Falmiis because clearly it's his job to invite all the Hallifaxians.
Logs will be forthcoming!
(clan): Falmiis says, "Aramelise, verb, 1. adorn with many flowers."
Life hasn't given me any lemons lately, but I bet I could get some amazing lemonaid from squeezing Maligorn's online superiority complex.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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However, it seems confusing to be upset about. We play games to have fun. Lots of us play multiple games. If a group of my friends finds themselves online in WoW and decide to do a PUG raid, I'd appreciate them letting me know so I can swap over if interested! I tell people to message me if they want to do RP in Lusternia, if I'm playing another game. Sometimes there are only certain events in Lusternia that I'm in the mood for, so I will idle and jump in when I see or hear something that catches my interest. Is that cheating or unfair? That seems like a common practice in gaming.
First step: Realize that you shouldn't tell us what we're doing when you don't have a clue.
Second step: Don't get mad at people for logging in and playing the game with you.
With time, I hope we can bring @Karlach to the light.
Or even we should start hiding him when she comes along. She can be all like "Omg I thought I saw Morgfyre here!" and then we'll be all nonchalant while he's hiding behind the sofa.
Signature!
Instead I want to explain my objection to batphoning, and the attitudes I've seen it create both with people I've played alongside and against.
Warning. It's long. If you want a TLDR, tough.
Yes sometimes you don't have the numbers to do what you want, and that sucks. I know, I've been there. But the minute you decide you want to metagame and use out of game communication to either equal (or gain advantage) in numbers you enter an arms race. If you do it, so can the people you go against.
When I last played I was in a Glom skype channel and made it clear I never wanted to be alerted to in game events or pushed to log on, unless it was a divine run event (they put a lot of work into their stuff and it should be enjoyed by everyone) I also made it clear I'd never be mentioning when things are ongoing in game, except said divine events ongoing.
If people want to play, they'll log in. If they aren't interested they won't be, now that you can afk in your manse for eternity (or till your connection bottoms out) there's no reason to not be around if you really want to find out when a fight is brewing.
I was witnessing a really unpleasant atmosphere where people were being made to feel like they had to log online, that if they didn't come to this domoth/raid/revolt/whatever else they were letting others down and that they weren't contributing (Side note, if you're one of those people that acts like you are the only people doing anything because you log in and fight, stop. You're only going to make people want to log in less so they don't have to deal with you.) I was listening to friend and foe speak ill of other players because they didn't feel obliged to log in and do something because of some event beyond their control.
People weren't asking these people to come online because they wanted to play with them and have fun, they were telling them to come online because they wanted to win.
I refused to get involved in the culture because I didn't want to contribute to that end. Watching fights not happen because one side suddenly gained a large influx of numbers that weren't previously there didn't make the game fun for anyone, because almost no one is going to run into an obvious suicide mission designed to win and farm kills while patting each other on the back about how amazing they are.
And no, none of this is aimed at one org, or one side. It has happened everywhere at some point, and I don't like it regardless.
Now what I've always been fine with is asking people in game "Hey. Planning this later, you gonna be around?" or "This event is this weekend, you free?" No obligations and a way to try and get a rough headcount of what you have available. Which is why I like the idea Sidd have of having a gamewide channel, not restricted to an org or a side, where things can be planned for everyone to get their PK rocks on. Personally I hope it works, I'm certainly interested in using it for things once the lag affecting larger battles is resolved.
But you could raid Glom tomorrow, murder the Avatars, kill Crow, chop every last elder and godknows what else you think of doing and if I'm not logged in and someone tries to get in touch with me to tell me to log on right there and then to help, they'll get told to sod off.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Edit: I even wrote a whole reply first responding to individuals and deleted it.
The rest of the post was my experiences and objection to batphoning in general, and why I really like Sidd's idea.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
"I get you guys don't like people calling you out on lame tactics, because it makes you look worse than you'd like to perceive you are, but tough. You do it, own up to it."
...we didn't do anything, so we're not going to own up to anything. That's pretty much the bottom line. I hope you are mature enough to admit that your accusations are completely groundless, especially when you are so completely out of touch with the PK environment these days and given the facts of the situation.
You know what I dislike more? When it's someone who I have personally cured the plague off of at least twice, when they were doing this previously.
If you get the plague, have the courtesy to get it cured. Tell people you have it, maybe avoid population centers. Don't make the rest of us run around the game repeatedly to clean up your mess because you can't be bothered to put in the barest minimum of effort and / or think it's fun to screw with us.
Thank you.
And stop just logging in / spitting / logging off at a Nexus.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
I read this as I'm against batphoning unless it's something I personally approve of because it's shitty when I don't approve of it, but a-ok when I do.
No one should ever feel compelled to log in if they don't want to, but that's an entire other dynamic than what you're complaining about (and I think your complaint is so far off base to reality anyways). If people want to be batphoned in, let them. There's literally zero difference between afking in a manse waiting for something to happen and doing something else waiting for something to happen except the logged in part.
You can call people in for all sorts of things, PK, events, bashing, aether hunts, RP, theater work. Nowhere did I say it's shitty if people choose to do it for those.
I personally choose not to, with that one exception.
But of course you knew that, and you're just looking for an argument.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
@Falmiis, you are now slightly less my favorite great-grandson. You are hereby grounded for a month and have to rake the rock garden in Erudio every day, and it has to be perfect. I also expect high-quality great-great-grandbabies in the future. Only the best great-great-grandbabies.
(<3 Falmiis and Aramel, I hope you post the wedding log!)
There was no batphoning, unless you mean coordinating events hours before they occur. In that case I suppose we did.
== Professional Girl Gamer ==
Yes I play games
Yes I'm a girl
get over it
Logs will be forthcoming!