Is it bad that I take very, very little as "well obviously he's that, because I know I am" at face value? It seems to me like they have the siblings thing going, but that's not really definitive proof that one is town if the other isn't. And the answers to that question always seem very dodgy.
Saran, being mister motion detector, did you catch anything last night?
Let's try another approach, I guess: @Shaddus@Ayisdra: What was the purpose of your meeting?
Quite literally to talk shit about you dogging my every word, and talk about who may or may not be scum.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I'm starting to think that dodging questions is a pattern among kitsune...
I think the issue here is that you think everyone here owes you an answer. That, above anything else, makes me think you're scummy. You're trying to be harsh and come down on people to distract them from the fact that you're likely scum.
To answer the rest of you, especially Tarkenton: No. I can't guarantee Ayisdra is town any more than he can guarantee I'm town. But so far as I know, he's town. The only way he might be scum is if the mafia are converting instead of killing, and picked him. That means pretty much anyone else could be scum, even people who have "town" powers of investigation.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Man, this is ripe for speculation, wild or otherwise.
As for Enyalida, I think she might have started as town but got changed over. That seems the most likely scenario.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Let's try another approach, I guess: @Shaddus@Ayisdra: What was the purpose of your meeting?
Quite literally to talk shit about you dogging my every word, and talk about who may or may not be scum.
See, here's the thing: I kinda half-expected you to give that answer. However, I don't really buy that explanation for a simple enough reason: If simply having the ability to talk to each other during the night counted as a night action when it comes to Celinas power, it would probably mean Celina would be able to see who is scum the same way. Also, it would mean the scum would show up as having two night actions (assuming they have powers the same way we have, and even if they don't, the one who carried out the kill would).
Also, in regards to people owing me answers: No, I don't necessarily think they do. However, information is what we have to fight with, not powers. If we don't share what information we can share, then we lose. It's as simple as that. Because of that, I definitely suspect people that refuse to answer any questions. That does not mean that I ask everyone to reveal their roles; doing that would make it far too easy for the scum to choose their targets. Note, for instance, that I haven't asked anyone what their powers are (before you just now, at least), nor would I expect anyone to give me that information just because I asked for it; that would be foolish to do.
Anyway, any thoughts on the "scum-is-cult" train that seems to be forming? I'm in the camp of "Most likely not", due to the fact that it'd be very hard (if not impossible) for us to win against it. Essentially, we'd have to find the lone Cult leader that does the recruiting in just a couple more nights (if we assume they've recruited every night, and that Enyalida was one, they'd have three of twelve; tomorrow, four of eleven, and the day after five of ten and they win, assuming we lynch every day) while having to constantly consider whether or not a formerly trusted person is now a cultist. It's possible, of course (everything is), but personally I don't think that's what's going on. I just think we've been extremely lucky so far.
Let's try another approach, I guess: @Shaddus@Ayisdra: What was the purpose of your meeting?
Quite literally to talk shit about you dogging my every word, and talk about who may or may not be scum.
See, here's the thing: I kinda half-expected you to give that answer. However, I don't really buy that explanation for a simple enough reason: If simply having the ability to talk to each other during the night counted as a night action when it comes to Celinas power, it would probably mean Celina would be able to see who is scum the same way. Also, it would mean the scum would show up as having two night actions (assuming they have powers the same way we have, and even if they don't, the one who carried out the kill would).
Also, in regards to people owing me answers: No, I don't necessarily think they do. However, information is what we have to fight with, not powers. If we don't share what information we can share, then we lose. It's as simple as that. Because of that, I definitely suspect people that refuse to answer any questions. That does not mean that I ask everyone to reveal their roles; doing that would make it far too easy for the scum to choose their targets. Note, for instance, that I haven't asked anyone what their powers are (before you just now, at least), nor would I expect anyone to give me that information just because I asked for it; that would be foolish to do.
Given that my role as a mason(?) Has already been provided before last night and I spoke with Ayisdra, what exactly are you expecting Celina to be able to tell you?
As for your second point, I'm beyond actually caring what you suspect or think. You're nervous and you point fingers to keep the heat off of yourself. Moreover, your power to jail people seems to keep being selfishly used to protect yourself and nobody else. Even in the unlikely event that you end up being town, you're about as useful as a vanilla player would be, or as useful as I am.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
What if Ssaliss' power isn't protection, but locking members into a tube to convert them?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
See, the thing is we've got a LOT of information, we just don't know what any of it actually means. We've got a brutal struggle last night, no idea what it means or why, we have two of us seeing golden mustelids one night after the other, and presumably someone saw one on night 1, but didn't report it, or they were imprisoned already.
We have a mafia that's either converting or is avoiding kills to wind us up, and we have a mafiate who can scrub someone's profile (and for the love of Calliope I hope that's limited) so we don't even know if we're lynching town or scum.
Also, I'm starting to suspect that @Saran may have been muted/blackmailed somehow.
Looking back over Daniel's role, I'm thinking Enya wasn't scum simply because of the one-off poison immunity, which seems to me to suggest that the mafia is poisoning people. Her one-off immunity theoretically also gives us a reason why mafia failed to kill the night before, if she was the target that night rather than Synkarin. However, the odds of it seem farfetched, since it implies that mafia managed to target three people in three nights that couldn't be killed.
First, I'm not sure she was scum. She was definitely not town, but I'm leaning more towards third party, since I'd expect us to get a role if she was scum. That's just my speculation though.
I'm not sure what you mean by "get a role." Can you clarify?
First, I'm not sure she was scum. She was definitely not town, but I'm leaning more towards third party, since I'd expect us to get a role if she was scum. That's just my speculation though.
I'm not sure what you mean by "get a role." Can you clarify?
Like who she was and her side.
I thought yesterday needed eight votes. Unless Allyriane leaving quietly reduced that, someone votes twice.
Also it's making me wonder if either that was Enyalidas power or if someone has the power to deny a flip on someone they lynch
But why would we decide if Enyalida's was scum or not based on us not finding out her role, when the whole reason for the mystery in the first place is that her information was deleted? It's basically saying "well if we knew, we'd know, but since we don't, we don't."
What if Ssaliss' power isn't protection, but locking members into a tube to convert them?
I still believe Ssaliss is town. It was the cleanest explanation on why no one was killed the first two nights, and it was also backed by Celina's explanation of being blocked by a chimaera the second night when tracking Ssaliss. As others have said, that means if one of them is scum, likely the other is too. But I really do doubt either is, at this point.
I have my own suspicions about how last night went considering how the flavor text is worded, and something tells me that the scum targeted another victim besides Ssaliss, and were thwarted in their attempt. That means someone town was doing their job last night, and it's best that someone keeps quiet for now. (RIP Riluna, we miss you and your mad protector skills.)
As for me, I did not receive a vision or a mongoose. The mongoose makes me nervous, though. No one has claimed being a mongoose so far; we're a group of kitsunes, humans, and chimaera. Ergo, I have to suspect that the mongoose is a negative thing that someone doesn't want to share. Which makes me wonder at the people who so far haven't claimed an animal role. Considering the kitsunes were an unexpected addition for many of us, but they still revealed their animal due to their (alleged) town status, it seems odd that the mongoose would do likewise unless they knew their alignment wasn't town. Any thoughts on this?
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
The mongoose could be someone's chimaera type, right?
Similar to earlier when some of us thought being a chimaera was inherently suspicious, while others thought everyone was a chimaera, it's unclear just how much information would be given by disclosing what animals the chimaera are.
It might be entirely inconsequential. Or it might be so important that I've already said too much. And everything between those two extremes.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Of note: Ermines are mongooses. Mongeese? Mustelids.
Also, Saran was confirming that she saw a vision, likely the exact same one Celina saw, confirming that person and their power. She's just not willing to say who the person is, which is a good thing.
Er no @Luce, I used my power and that person has not said anything one way or the other about personal night powers.
As for @Synkarin, I also have no intention of sharing information in cases such as today where it does nothing.
If I say someone acted last night they can claim that they have an action, if I say the did not then they can just agree. Similarly, someone can claim they performed an action on my target if I say they were targeted, or they would not claim they did if I say that person was not targeted.
Information such as mine is only useful in a context, that you are upset you aren't getting it when there isn't yet a context for it to work in reinforces my belief that you are scum.
I suppose I will also not refrain from mentioning, that I highlighted that Celina confirmed a theory of mine that night conversations might show up for tracking type powers and that @Synkarin's response was to effectively FOS me for doing something that... makes sense in a game of mafia.
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Saran, being mister motion detector, did you catch anything last night?
To answer the rest of you, especially Tarkenton: No. I can't guarantee Ayisdra is town any more than he can guarantee I'm town. But so far as I know, he's town. The only way he might be scum is if the mafia are converting instead of killing, and picked him. That means pretty much anyone else could be scum, even people who have "town" powers of investigation.
As for Enyalida, I think she might have started as town but got changed over. That seems the most likely scenario.
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Given that my role as a mason(?) Has already been provided before last night and I spoke with Ayisdra, what exactly are you expecting Celina to be able to tell you?
As for your second point, I'm beyond actually caring what you suspect or think. You're nervous and you point fingers to keep the heat off of yourself. Moreover, your power to jail people seems to keep being selfishly used to protect yourself and nobody else. Even in the unlikely event that you end up being town, you're about as useful as a vanilla player would be, or as useful as I am.
Also if the kitsune brothers don't have an active power then Celina may have confirmed that night chats show up as movement at night
Like who she was and her side.
I thought yesterday needed eight votes. Unless Allyriane leaving quietly reduced that, someone votes twice.
Also it's making me wonder if either that was Enyalidas power or if someone has the power to deny a flip on someone they lynch
But why would we decide if Enyalida's was scum or not based on us not finding out her role, when the whole reason for the mystery in the first place is that her information was deleted? It's basically saying "well if we knew, we'd know, but since we don't, we don't."
Similar to earlier when some of us thought being a chimaera was inherently suspicious, while others thought everyone was a chimaera, it's unclear just how much information would be given by disclosing what animals the chimaera are.
It might be entirely inconsequential. Or it might be so important that I've already said too much. And everything between those two extremes.
Also, Saran was confirming that she saw a vision, likely the exact same one Celina saw, confirming that person and their power. She's just not willing to say who the person is, which is a good thing.
As for @Synkarin, I also have no intention of sharing information in cases such as today where it does nothing.
If I say someone acted last night they can claim that they have an action, if I say the did not then they can just agree.
Similarly, someone can claim they performed an action on my target if I say they were targeted, or they would not claim they did if I say that person was not targeted.
Information such as mine is only useful in a context, that you are upset you aren't getting it when there isn't yet a context for it to work in reinforces my belief that you are scum.