Based on Xeii's "pledge to keep comrades safe at all costs," and hunch that she's Krokano/Tauro, my guess is that it's a Second Circle group, angry at the rest of us for voting against using the elixir to defeat the Soulless, rather than it straight up being the members of the canon Traitors.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
This is very interesting to me. I think anyone who was town knew exactly what faelaron was saying and why he was saying it, and why his being revealed as town is relevant. I think anyone who is third party would be confused by the conversation.
@Sylandra there was no soft claim of Krokano. There was a soft claim of second circle not being a kabal. And possibly not being either krokano or tauro. In hindsight , sure you can connect the dots, but at the time I saw his comment as saying he was second circle and not part of a cult.
This is very interesting to me. I think anyone who was town knew exactly what faelaron was saying and why he was saying it, and why his being revealed as town is relevant. I think anyone who is third party would be confused by the conversation.
@Sylandra there was no soft claim of Krokano. There was a soft claim of second circle not being a kabal. And possibly not being either krokano or tauro. In hindsight , sure you can connect the dots, but at the time I saw his comment as saying he was second circle and not part of a cult.
It was a soft-claim of someone in that group, and I stand by the reasoning that Tauro or Krokano would be big-name roles you'd want offed ASAP if you were mafia - especially if it was your only lead to go off of. The fact that Krokano was a possibility I think alone made it a good shot.
Do you really believe anything else Falaeron said or did factored more into his death than when he alluded to his role? Because I've seen a lot of mafias kill for things like this, and it is the simplest explanation to me. Everything else is just coincidental in my book.
The Lavinya bit was just that she seemed to misunderstand the Town win condition. Which Shaddus did also. And Xeii. And at this point I think it's an old dusty lynch and we won't have time to pursue it this dayphase due to her dealing with RL stuff. Also, it's definitely not the juiciest morsel of information on the table.
This whole convo about Falaeron and Lavinya seems to me to be distracting from better, bigger conversations to be had right now.
For example: @Xeii, what are your thoughts on what's going on right now? You were jailed so you couldn't have killed Falaeron. I'm curious about your POV.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
And now ad hominem. You haven't replied at all to my accusations towards you, except to say they are bizarre and strange and to throw guilt at me.
What ad hominem? What exactly are your accusations against me? I honestly can't tell.
Falaeron never mentioned anybody. You claimed he did. Falaeron's powers never came up. You created this argument out of nothing. The only thing that was relevant about Falaeron is that he pointed out that people didn't appear to know the town's win condition. That is all. This has been clear to atleast three other people.
You have attacked me based on things that never happened, and clearly didn't even get jarred by other people not knowing the soulless are the main enemy. Your complete lack of awareness about this day 1 issue is really bizarre considering your comment on the issue on page 6.
I would not be surprised to learn that it's not so black and white as traitors vs the rest. Silvanus is a bit of an evil genius in that regard, where learning identity may not necessarily reveal alliance. Which by the same token makes our job even harder to do. Very curious to learn more as the game goes on as to what he has cooked up.
I am 90% certain that along with xeii, Lavinya was the other person not falmiis found suspicious.
Posting from my phone, so sorry for the double post. This disruption field thing has me really curious. Does it mean the soulless are hiding among us with a disruption field? Or is there a mason/cult with daytime communication and the disruption field muffles their thoughts/voices. Very curious.
If not falmiis didn't get killed for his suspicions it's possible he got killed for being near the top of the list.
Just a heads up, we had a death in the family overnight and as such I may be a bit scarce for a few days, though not absent. Just distracted.
Sorry for your loss. Ignore my comment about falmiis suspicion of you. I think we can all agree that you should lurk for a while until you feel OK to come back.
Are you pretending that you didn't make these posts?
Of course I made those posts. And I stand by those posts. But they have no correlation to what you were saying earlier. What do those posts have to do with Falaeron's powers or Falaeron mentioning anyone? I'm pretty explicit in that first post there that Falaeron did NOT mention anyone.
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Due to some unforeseen circumstances of me possibly not being available, I am extending the day deadline by 24 hours from this post.
You now have 4 days and 5 or so hours from this post (Friday evening for Americans)
Friendly reminder that this means we have roughly two and a half days to come to some kind of consensus, also.
Sylandra's Personal List of Who Needs to Speak Up And/Or Vote: @Xeii (it's been five days, girl) @Luce (you vote then vanish, even though you say you back the vote up it's usually pretty brief and building on someone else's vote train) @Shaddus (I see u lurkin and agreein) @Othero (you kind of vanished tbh, what gives?) @Vivet (you are making good aside comments every other page, but you never really make a solid vote or stance yourself, it's a wee bit evasive) @Tremula (same, you FoS'd Weiwae but then kind of petered off)
People who haven't voted but are definitely talking a lot: @Sylandra (lol) @Portius
People who have explained why they haven't spoken up as much, so we're cool: @Dylara @Lavinya
Please feel free to correct this list as needed.
So that's ten people, okay. We are currently 19 total. That means every person who has already voted would have to agree on the same vote to even come close to a lynch, and they'd be one vote short of making a vote train succeed.
And that would never happen because everyone has a suspicion boner for at least one person on this train.
We're hitting the point where the discussion has to lead somewhere. If there's something you want to know before you vote, start asking now so that people have at least 24 hours to respond before we hit the final hour of "vote or perish to no lynch."
(And don't you dare tell me I'm trying to rush anything. We have squabbled and bickered for over five days. We need to start making choices, guys.)
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
It doesn't look explicit at all. The "not" sure looks like a word inserted by your phone, especially since you mention that...you are posting from your phone. Your subsequent posts reinforce that as you reference his suspicions again. If you didn't think he had any, you wouldn't refer to them twice more.
You tried to sway votes, it didn't work, I called you out on it and now you are deflecting and trying to undermine my posts themselves as "bizarre" instead of addressing the things I am pointing out. We haven't even mentioned the other aspects of my accusations, like how you loudly and extensively defended multiple people being lynched (establishing credibility) or used WIFOM to wave away an entire line of reasoning.
You are acting like a very nice guy who's not that used to lying who is now being called out on his lying. My vote is staying on you.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
... What votes was I trying to sway exactly? I've been consistently suggesting that we discuss what we can, but also to wait for Lavinya to be able to explain her actions. It looks like I'll have to wait for day 3 for that to happen.
If Falaeron mentioned somebody, why would I only be 90% sure and not 100% sure? Your attack against me doesn't make any sense.
I mean, did you even bother to go back and see what I was talking about? It is sounding like you never did, so here is the main post, even though there are other related posts
Well the Weiwae/Breandryn back and forth is....confusing. I really have no idea what you guys are arguing about. I think I've reread it like 4 times. The baby Ascendant is dead, and there's very little to be gained from bickering about him.
I'm stumped, to be honest. I think today has become too confusing for me to unravel and I think people are becoming emotionally charged so it really feels like people are getting lost in their own impulses and feelings and sticking to their guns out of spite. While I was reading and thinking about it, a basic mafia fundamental occurred to me. Chaos is when the mafia goes quiet. This is chaos, we have quiet people. unvote Vote: Luce
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I'm adjusting to a sleep schedule on the other side of the clock, so most of My participation has come as Sylandra mentions. I'm interested in the votes thrown on Breandryn right now, but I'm still looking at Weiwae with a frown. Arguments on both side make sense, but I have a gut feeling that is pulling Me off of Him and towards Sylandra and Breandryn.
I'll post in more detail when I get home, but as i said it's more a general feeling of wrongness than an actual, logical basis. We have two days, I want to try and pull something out of this.
If by "quiet" you mean I haven't made a long post in the last 16 hours or so? Sure I've gone quiet. I was pretty loud about Weiwae though, and like I said in one of the posts defending him, I think it's a pretty bonkers idea for scum to stick their neck out and draw attention to themselves this early in the game on a defense, whether or not that defense would be for another scum, before you start down that path.
If by "quiet" you mean I haven't made a long post in the last 16 hours or so? Sure I've gone quiet. I was pretty loud about Weiwae though, and like I said in one of the posts defending him, I think it's a pretty bonkers idea for scum to stick their neck out and draw attention to themselves this early in the game on a defense, whether or not that defense would be for another scum, before you start down that path.
Is it? Mafia knows more than the town, so they know who to defend and who to not to in order to make themselves appear as town. One of the key components of being part of the mafia is creating alibis. For example...Ushaara could be town and Weiwae mafia, which Weiwae would know and give Weiwae a defense further down the line.
Known Aliases: Celina/Cyndarin/Fire Jesus/The Night/That Bitch who griefed us
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If by "quiet" you mean I haven't made a long post in the last 16 hours or so? Sure I've gone quiet. I was pretty loud about Weiwae though, and like I said in one of the posts defending him, I think it's a pretty bonkers idea for scum to stick their neck out and draw attention to themselves this early in the game on a defense, whether or not that defense would be for another scum, before you start down that path.
Is it? Mafia knows more than the town, so they know who to defend and who to not to in order to make themselves appear as town. One of the key components of being part of the mafia is creating alibis. For example...Ushaara could be town and Weiwae mafia, which Weiwae would know and give Weiwae a defense further down the line.
Which Breandryn said pretty recently to defend her vote on Weiwae, and a day later, a throw-away comment she makes about Falaeron starts a lynch train on her back spearheaded by Selenity and Weiwae, who are thick as thieves.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
You know what? I'm going to take a stance based on the one thing here that I can fully point My irritation at.
Vote: Breandryn
Ad Hominem is an attack on the person who is presenting the argument rather than the argument itself. Saying that Your comments are beginning to get strange is not an attack, it is a statement about Your argument - that they are beginning to become less coherent.
Honestly, it seems as though You are grasping at straws, and while I want to be swayed by Your arguments originally, this last page is almost as if You are running out of breath and looking for anything to solidify Your statements.
(Also remember everyone it's just a game, we're all the tits, and no one actually carries hard feelings through these matches [just grudges]).
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
The opposite, @Tremula. I made my initial post from my phone. This page was me going back and posting the quotes I couldn't include in my first post about Weiwae.
And now ad hominem. You haven't replied at all to my accusations towards you, except to say they are bizarre and strange and to throw guilt at me.
Sorry for multiple tags, but @Breandryn, these are the three comments I'm referring to in particular. Maybe it's just a bad gut instinct, but it's what's got My brow in a pretty little furrow. I'll re-read the past six pages of arguments, though, and see if maybe I can get a logical conclusion somewhere to override impulse.
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@Sylandra there was no soft claim of Krokano. There was a soft claim of second circle not being a kabal. And possibly not being either krokano or tauro. In hindsight , sure you can connect the dots, but at the time I saw his comment as saying he was second circle and not part of a cult.
Do you really believe anything else Falaeron said or did factored more into his death than when he alluded to his role? Because I've seen a lot of mafias kill for things like this, and it is the simplest explanation to me. Everything else is just coincidental in my book.
The Lavinya bit was just that she seemed to misunderstand the Town win condition. Which Shaddus did also. And Xeii. And at this point I think it's an old dusty lynch and we won't have time to pursue it this dayphase due to her dealing with RL stuff. Also, it's definitely not the juiciest morsel of information on the table.
This whole convo about Falaeron and Lavinya seems to me to be distracting from better, bigger conversations to be had right now.
For example: @Xeii, what are your thoughts on what's going on right now? You were jailed so you couldn't have killed Falaeron. I'm curious about your POV.
I think Weiwae is to me and you what Tekora was to Lavinya and Silvanus in Reign.
Falaeron never mentioned anybody. You claimed he did. Falaeron's powers never came up. You created this argument out of nothing. The only thing that was relevant about Falaeron is that he pointed out that people didn't appear to know the town's win condition. That is all. This has been clear to atleast three other people.
You have attacked me based on things that never happened, and clearly didn't even get jarred by other people not knowing the soulless are the main enemy. Your complete lack of awareness about this day 1 issue is really bizarre considering your comment on the issue on page 6.
Sylandra's Personal List of Who Needs to Speak Up And/Or Vote:
@Xeii (it's been five days, girl)
@Luce (you vote then vanish, even though you say you back the vote up it's usually pretty brief and building on someone else's vote train)
@Shaddus (I see u lurkin and agreein)
@Othero (you kind of vanished tbh, what gives?)
@Vivet (you are making good aside comments every other page, but you never really make a solid vote or stance yourself, it's a wee bit evasive)
@Tremula (same, you FoS'd Weiwae but then kind of petered off)
People who haven't voted but are definitely talking a lot:
@Sylandra (lol)
@Portius
People who have explained why they haven't spoken up as much, so we're cool:
@Dylara
@Lavinya
Please feel free to correct this list as needed.
So that's ten people, okay. We are currently 19 total. That means every person who has already voted would have to agree on the same vote to even come close to a lynch, and they'd be one vote short of making a vote train succeed.
And that would never happen because everyone has a suspicion boner for at least one person on this train.
We're hitting the point where the discussion has to lead somewhere. If there's something you want to know before you vote, start asking now so that people have at least 24 hours to respond before we hit the final hour of "vote or perish to no lynch."
(And don't you dare tell me I'm trying to rush anything. We have squabbled and bickered for over five days. We need to start making choices, guys.)
It doesn't look explicit at all. The "not" sure looks like a word inserted by your phone, especially since you mention that...you are posting from your phone. Your subsequent posts reinforce that as you reference his suspicions again. If you didn't think he had any, you wouldn't refer to them twice more.
You tried to sway votes, it didn't work, I called you out on it and now you are deflecting and trying to undermine my posts themselves as "bizarre" instead of addressing the things I am pointing out. We haven't even mentioned the other aspects of my accusations, like how you loudly and extensively defended multiple people being lynched (establishing credibility) or used WIFOM to wave away an entire line of reasoning.
You are acting like a very nice guy who's not that used to lying who is now being called out on his lying. My vote is staying on you.
@Sylandra, who are you a mason with?
If Falaeron mentioned somebody, why would I only be 90% sure and not 100% sure? Your attack against me doesn't make any sense.
I mean, did you even bother to go back and see what I was talking about? It is sounding like you never did, so here is the main post, even though there are other related posts
If you go back to page two and look at the post itself, you will see that Selenity and I agreed with it. (Nobody else clicked a reaction)
I'm stumped, to be honest. I think today has become too confusing for me to unravel and I think people are becoming emotionally charged so it really feels like people are getting lost in their own impulses and feelings and sticking to their guns out of spite. While I was reading and thinking about it, a basic mafia fundamental occurred to me. Chaos is when the mafia goes quiet. This is chaos, we have quiet people.
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Vote: Luce
I'll post in more detail when I get home, but as i said it's more a general feeling of wrongness than an actual, logical basis. We have two days, I want to try and pull something out of this.
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
I am always amazed at the amount of drama capable of being generated in these forum mafia games.
Much confusion. Much paranoia. Much excite. Many wow!
Is it? Mafia knows more than the town, so they know who to defend and who to not to in order to make themselves appear as town. One of the key components of being part of the mafia is creating alibis. For example...Ushaara could be town and Weiwae mafia, which Weiwae would know and give Weiwae a defense further down the line.
Ijs.
Vote: Breandryn
Ad Hominem is an attack on the person who is presenting the argument rather than the argument itself. Saying that Your comments are beginning to get strange is not an attack, it is a statement about Your argument - that they are beginning to become less coherent.
Honestly, it seems as though You are grasping at straws, and while I want to be swayed by Your arguments originally, this last page is almost as if You are running out of breath and looking for anything to solidify Your statements.
(Also remember everyone it's just a game, we're all the tits, and no one actually carries hard feelings through these matches [just grudges]).
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Will post again soon.
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."