Flavour is that witnessing the horrors and loss of so many Elders to the Soulless firsthand has hardened me. At night, I can choose to isolate myself, sharpen my surgical knives, and anyone who tries target me will get more than they bargained for.
As I said before, timing of a reveal is everything in this game. Day 2, I had not revealed my power, and as it had not come to last resort stage, I wasn't going to reveal anything I didn't have to.
Day 3, start of day, was the last resort stage following the Fain reveal. And as you see above, I do say I have to activate it for it to work.
I am well aware of how sketchy my power is. If I was trying to bluff to survive, claiming a Revenge power is -not- the thing to do. I am telling the truth because I have no reason to lie.
Also, the mafia day talk I believe was only Fain's power to send messages, not common to all Traitors.
Honestly, this would be much easier to take if there were good arguments against me, but it's
i) You're too confusing a role ii) You didn't respond to an argument between two other people that happened while you were asleep iii) It's nothing that you caused yourself, but too many people are revealing things
I'll say it again,
I am also sick of this debate surrounding me.
Lynching me is not the only option for verifying what I said.
Shaddus has either played very poorly, or is deliberately revealing information about others. He has also twice now given conflicting information about his role.
How I am still considered the priority lynch above him, I do not know.
I believe by lynching him, it will finally clear me, but I will say it will also be a relief if you do lynch me that I'm no longer constantly having to defend myself...
Man, it probably is the suspicion and paranoia of the game getting to me now, but @Weiwae I really feel like your behavior/opinion toward me changed the moment I voted for Shaddus.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
How about this. We lynch Ushaara for information, someone can block Othero tonight, and we can go from there?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I mean...people have been trying to lynch him for 2 days based on weird logic that can't explain the motivation for. Seems like a decent reason to be nervous.
I think Shaddus is our better option if we are looking to just push the day forward. His contributions have ranged between unhelpful to damaging. My problem is that I think he's just pulling a Shaddus and not actually a bad guy.
Then again, I'm really not sure who is a bad guy. I just don't have any strong inclination towards anyone, and I'm just flinging spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks.
Known Aliases: Celina/Cyndarin/Fire Jesus/The Night/That Bitch who griefed us
Then again, I'm really not sure who is a bad guy. I just don't have any strong inclination towards anyone, and I'm just flinging spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks.
This was me before.
That was how we got day 2 to be as whacky as it was.
Please outline why you find Othero suspicious, @Shaddus?
He's been all over me on and off for no solid reason, doesn't really contribute much, seems entirely too comfortable letting others trust his half-ass excuse for a power (I see what the soulless do), and seemed entirely too quick to pull his vote off of me when I called him on it. He's trying too hard to fly under the radar, and it shows.
He tried to establish himself early on as being trustworthy, and people went with it a bit too easily.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I didn't vote for you. I said we should later but never voted for you. You've been full of half truths this entire game but I'll believe that you're town and an investigator like you said and I don't really want to lynch you at this point, which is more than a lot of other people have said. It's just that you're reading comprehension is bad and you should feel bad.
And how is playing an aggressive game, claiming early, and giving you guys the info I get about the soulless flying under the radar? I'm avoiding the long extended fights about nothing because I have a low tolerance for BS but I'm not playing like someone trying to hide.
I'm inclined to believe Othero, since I think his information has been the best Town source, and nothing he has said has been disproven yet.
Kethuru/Illith fight Night 1? -> Only 1 death, also fits the SK Soulless idea. Soulless targeted Selenity? -> Leads to highlighting the weirdness of the powers interplaying around her.
If you think I'm bluffing, his is an exceptional bluff.
Anyhoo, it's getting late here, and I've felt this train a-coming from the beginning of this day-phase.
This time, I'm really out.
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Now that I've had a nice break I'm going to try and put out my thoughts in a clear, hopefully logical manner. I have thought regarding the arguments being made about Ushaara, including my own, and have come to a conclusion.
I think the problem with @Ushaara is he's likely a role that's designed to put a wrench in the system. That is what a miller does, and that's the challenge of a miller. Will you be believed, or not? Make the miller into essentially a bomb, and the odds of being trusted plummet considerably. At that point, you have two options: claim, and be immediately harangued, or bluff, and see who buys it.
If we believe Ushaara's claim - that he is town, that he has a Revenge power he intentionally withheld using last night in hopes of being investigated - if we believe that all he has said is true... then genuinely, he is just in a terrible position. Truly. It's a bad place to be no matter if he's townie or scum. And considering his reactions today and Vivet's flip, I think it's increasingly possible he is town, and understandably is frustrated that there is nothing he can do really to allay the suspicions against him.
So with that said, here is my thought on the matter: I am more willing to believe Ushaara is innocent, than I am to believe he is guilty, for the reasons @Fyler stated. But I also don't know how long Ushaara will remain innocent, and that concerns me.
Primarily, we don't know what the 'Forbidden Elixir' power that Vivet had involved, and the flavor text implies it has passed on to another member of Fain's coterie. I'm operating on the theory that Traitors are Cultists(tm). The alternative is of course that Silvanus chose random characters to be Traitors, but I think it's more likely that Fain had to choose his own Traitors, in a clever way of inverting the canon while also following it. I could easily see @Silvanus doing this.
Now there's the third (obvious) option that Traitors are initially assigned to the Traitor faction, but from Ushaara's reactions today, I find it increasingly unlikely that this is the case. @Fyler is right that if Ushaara and Vivet were both aligned together initially, Ushaara likely wasn't going to try out the "hey guys I'm a Traitor" claim on Day 2. It's just a poor decision. So I think we can discard the theory that the Traitors were all on the same side from the start. So I'm operating, as I said before, on the "Fain was a cult leader" assumption. Which again, means that name-claiming over time will be increasingly useless.
The thing is, if we kill Ushaara, discarding or believing that theory becomes something we can do with 100% certainty, rather than, say, 85%. Which means there's still the possibility we're operating on false information, and putting trust in an untrustworthy party. That's what the pro-lynching Ushaara team is looking for with their lynch.
But if we trust Ushaara, as Fyler wants to, this leaves us with a dilemma. Ushaara has a power that disinclines anyone to target him in the night, because they will die. The good news is he can control this. The downside is, the night he chooses not to use it is also a night he can be converted by a Traitor scum team, making him a useful convert (as I suspected Malmydia might be).
To verify Ushaara, then, we would need to guarantee that he could be watched while he was being investigated, because it would be the only way to for sure know he hadn't been converted the night his power wasn't up. This seems very messy to me, and a large use of town's resources, particularly since Ushaara may well choose to activate his power to kill the investigator if he has, since Day 2, been converted at any point. That makes him into a sort of Schrodinger's Traitor: is he good or is he evil? He might find it worth blowing his cover by using his revenge after all if he could kill such big name targets.
Therefore as much as Ushaara insists he can be verified, I do think it's better for town to simply decide if they're going to trust him or not, and keep an eye on him long term if they decide they're going to let him stick around. The risk otherwise is very high, and not entirely worth it.
Here's the good, though: converting a town Ushaara just got a lot trickier for a Traitor team, as he's claiming a revenge power. That's dangerous for them, as they already lost Vivet. Ushaara might no longer be a high profile target after all.
Here's the bad: Vivet defending Ushaara, and Ushaara not revealing his revenge power (while insisting to us he didn't activate it a night he most assuredly could have expected to be targeted), both paint his actions in a negative light, as does a Traitor flipping scum.
The question is if you think Ushaara is playing town or playing mafia. That comes down to reading his behavior, and can spiral into a WIFOM situation.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Man, it probably is the suspicion and paranoia of the game getting to me now, but @Weiwae I really feel like your behavior/opinion toward me changed the moment I voted for Shaddus.
Do you fear what Shaddus' reveal would show?
No, I voted for you when Sylandra mentioned something that reminded me that you didn't try to stop anyone from investigating you in any shape or form.
My problem is, I have 5 other people on my "suspect list". Portius, Phoebus, Sylandra, Ssaliss, and Fyler.
The following people are on my cleared list. Luce, Selenity, Othero. It doesn't give me much to go on.
Regarding Ushaara, there is a third option. One I'm not very convinced of, but it is possible. Ushaara could be a soulless/SK who claimed a traitor. Only problem with that is the timing of the claim.
Hey, uh. This is pure theorycrafting right now, but what if Portius is being intentionally vague about his "I target by role name x times per game" power because that power is Cult recruitment? We have mod confirmation that Fain was not the leader of the Traitors, which implies someone else is. Any game that includes a possible Traitor faction is highly likely to include Fain, so a random shot in the dark to convert any possible Fain isn't out of the question.
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Why would a cult leader who can convert via an Elder God's name decide to claim having a power that relies on role name unprompted? I don't see Portius doing this. He claimed that in fact to warn people off claiming their role names, expecting someone else would have similar abilities to his own. Honestly that sounds town to me.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Hey, uh. This is pure theorycrafting right now, but what if Portius is being intentionally vague about his "I target by role name x times per game" power because that power is Cult recruitment? We have mod confirmation that Fain was not the leader of the Traitors, which implies someone else is. Any game that includes a possible Traitor faction is highly likely to include Fain, so a random shot in the dark to convert any possible Fain isn't out of the question.
I took the "confirmation" of Fain not being the leader of the Traitors as just more of the changing history flavor of the start-of-day posts. I.E. how could Fain have been the leader of the Traitors when he was died at almost the start of the war? Think it's probably safe to say he started as the godfather/cult head/leader of them, but that's been passed on to whoever is left.
Hey, uh. This is pure theorycrafting right now, but what if Portius is being intentionally vague about his "I target by role name x times per game" power because that power is Cult recruitment? We have mod confirmation that Fain was not the leader of the Traitors, which implies someone else is. Any game that includes a possible Traitor faction is highly likely to include Fain, so a random shot in the dark to convert any possible Fain isn't out of the question.
I took the "confirmation" of Fain not being the leader of the Traitors as just more of the changing history flavor of the start-of-day posts. I.E. how could Fain have been the leader of the Traitors when he was died at almost the start of the war? Think it's probably safe to say he started as the godfather/cult head/leader of them, but that's been passed on to whoever is left.
That's how I read the post too, he isn't the leader in the histories because he's super dead, unlike the actual histories where he lived, did the Traitor thing, went into the Void and returned to the First World later. He's dead, so he can't be the leader, someone else is a leader of the Traitors now and they will go down in history as the leader, unless they too bite the dust, and then it'll be whoever else until they are all dead.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable. Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
Man, it probably is the suspicion and paranoia of the game getting to me now, but @Weiwae I really feel like your behavior/opinion toward me changed the moment I voted for Shaddus.
Do you fear what Shaddus' reveal would show?
No, I voted for you when Sylandra mentioned something that reminded me that you didn't try to stop anyone from investigating you in any shape or form.
My problem is, I have 5 other people on my "suspect list". Portius, Phoebus, Sylandra, Ssaliss, and Fyler.
The following people are on my cleared list. Luce, Selenity, Othero. It doesn't give me much to go on.
What, you can't just list people as suspects and not explain it. Why am I suspect?
Known Aliases: Celina/Cyndarin/Fire Jesus/The Night/That Bitch who griefed us
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Man, it probably is the suspicion and paranoia of the game getting to me now, but @Weiwae I really feel like your behavior/opinion toward me changed the moment I voted for Shaddus.
Do you fear what Shaddus' reveal would show?
No, I voted for you when Sylandra mentioned something that reminded me that you didn't try to stop anyone from investigating you in any shape or form.
My problem is, I have 5 other people on my "suspect list". Portius, Phoebus, Sylandra, Ssaliss, and Fyler.
The following people are on my cleared list. Luce, Selenity, Othero. It doesn't give me much to go on.
What, you can't just list people as suspects and not explain it. Why am I suspect?
I also asked for clarification on why exactly I'm suspicious, but haven't received any yet!
First night we saw two soulless fighting each other - I think that means they accidentally ended up targetting each other.
Second night...???
Third night, Weiwae thinks he's jailed Othero on the cliff. Instead Selenity is jailed up there.
If we have a bus driver, Shaddus seeing Yomoigu jailing or isolating someone is actually Weiwae's protection being swapped. Yomoigu is then trying to pretend that he jailed Selenity because in actuality he tried to do SOMETHING to her but she and Othero were swapped. This something sounds like a communication isolation skill, which would explain why Othero did not see full details of the soulless attack on Selenity.
The question then is, why is Yomoigo saying he attacked Selenity, when he should really be saying, "What? I targetted Othero! How confusing!" This means he's lying and so why would he do that? He tried to do something bad.
Vote: Yomoigu
I'm having a hard time tracking the argument and whether it's still valid mainly because I'm not exactly sure which role Shaddus was claiming at this point. I didn't say that I targeted Othero because I did in fact target Selenity. And @Sylandra; while I did jail Selenity I am not a jailer in the traditional sense...my power is compound, limited, and potentially deadly to myself.
First night we saw two soulless fighting each other - I think that means they accidentally ended up targetting each other.
Second night...???
Third night, Weiwae thinks he's jailed Othero on the cliff. Instead Selenity is jailed up there.
If we have a bus driver, Shaddus seeing Yomoigu jailing or isolating someone is actually Weiwae's protection being swapped. Yomoigu is then trying to pretend that he jailed Selenity because in actuality he tried to do SOMETHING to her but she and Othero were swapped. This something sounds like a communication isolation skill, which would explain why Othero did not see full details of the soulless attack on Selenity.
The question then is, why is Yomoigo saying he attacked Selenity, when he should really be saying, "What? I targetted Othero! How confusing!" This means he's lying and so why would he do that? He tried to do something bad.
Vote: Yomoigu
I'm having a hard time tracking the argument and whether it's still valid mainly because I'm not exactly sure which role Shaddus was claiming at this point. I didn't say that I targeted Othero because I did in fact target Selenity. And @Sylandra; while I did jail Selenity I am not a jailer in the traditional sense...my power is compound, limited, and potentially deadly to myself.
Oi! No!
No jailing the Selenity if it might kill you. Bad Yomo. Or er. Good Yomo being bad!
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
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2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
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Something I haven't seen anyone mention, though correct me if I'm wrong: considering @Othero has stated that a Soulless acted on @Selenity, or tried to, last nightphase, this makes @Yomoigu's position a bit more precarious. Assuming of course that Othero is telling the truth, either Yomoigu protected her from a Soulless, or Yomoigu is a Soulless himself. I'm not necessarily saying he is a Soulless, only that the possibility exists and it's odd that people would point fingers at Yomoigu without using this as their reasoning.
I don't suppose you'd have any way to know if someone targeted Selenity while you jailed her, would you, @Yomoigu? Can't hurt to ask.
Additionally, @Tremula I'd like to hear more from you. I know you want to vote Shaddus and you've stated why you took part on that lynch train, but I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on the other events of the day. Don't want to let people vote and slip under the radar!
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
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As I said before, timing of a reveal is everything in this game. Day 2, I had not revealed my power, and as it had not come to last resort stage, I wasn't going to reveal anything I didn't have to.
Day 3, start of day, was the last resort stage following the Fain reveal. And as you see above, I do say I have to activate it for it to work.
I am well aware of how sketchy my power is. If I was trying to bluff to survive, claiming a Revenge power is -not- the thing to do. I am telling the truth because I have no reason to lie.
Also, the mafia day talk I believe was only Fain's power to send messages, not common to all Traitors.
Honestly, this would be much easier to take if there were good arguments against me, but it's
i) You're too confusing a role
ii) You didn't respond to an argument between two other people that happened while you were asleep
iii) It's nothing that you caused yourself, but too many people are revealing things
I'll say it again,
I am also sick of this debate surrounding me.
Lynching me is not the only option for verifying what I said.
Shaddus has either played very poorly, or is deliberately revealing information about others. He has also twice now given conflicting information about his role.
How I am still considered the priority lynch above him, I do not know.
I believe by lynching him, it will finally clear me, but I will say it will also be a relief if you do lynch me that I'm no longer constantly having to defend myself...
Do you fear what Shaddus' reveal would show?
I think Shaddus is our better option if we are looking to just push the day forward. His contributions have ranged between unhelpful to damaging. My problem is that I think he's just pulling a Shaddus and not actually a bad guy.
Then again, I'm really not sure who is a bad guy. I just don't have any strong inclination towards anyone, and I'm just flinging spaghetti at the wall hoping something sticks.
That was how we got day 2 to be as whacky as it was.
This is why I will not lead lynch trains.
I pray your luck is better than mine was.
He tried to establish himself early on as being trustworthy, and people went with it a bit too easily.
Kethuru/Illith fight Night 1? -> Only 1 death, also fits the SK Soulless idea.
Soulless targeted Selenity? -> Leads to highlighting the weirdness of the powers interplaying around her.
If you think I'm bluffing, his is an exceptional bluff.
This time, I'm really out.
I think the problem with @Ushaara is he's likely a role that's designed to put a wrench in the system. That is what a miller does, and that's the challenge of a miller. Will you be believed, or not? Make the miller into essentially a bomb, and the odds of being trusted plummet considerably. At that point, you have two options: claim, and be immediately harangued, or bluff, and see who buys it.
If we believe Ushaara's claim - that he is town, that he has a Revenge power he intentionally withheld using last night in hopes of being investigated - if we believe that all he has said is true... then genuinely, he is just in a terrible position. Truly. It's a bad place to be no matter if he's townie or scum. And considering his reactions today and Vivet's flip, I think it's increasingly possible he is town, and understandably is frustrated that there is nothing he can do really to allay the suspicions against him.
So with that said, here is my thought on the matter: I am more willing to believe Ushaara is innocent, than I am to believe he is guilty, for the reasons @Fyler stated. But I also don't know how long Ushaara will remain innocent, and that concerns me.
Primarily, we don't know what the 'Forbidden Elixir' power that Vivet had involved, and the flavor text implies it has passed on to another member of Fain's coterie. I'm operating on the theory that Traitors are Cultists(tm). The alternative is of course that Silvanus chose random characters to be Traitors, but I think it's more likely that Fain had to choose his own Traitors, in a clever way of inverting the canon while also following it. I could easily see @Silvanus doing this.
Now there's the third (obvious) option that Traitors are initially assigned to the Traitor faction, but from Ushaara's reactions today, I find it increasingly unlikely that this is the case. @Fyler is right that if Ushaara and Vivet were both aligned together initially, Ushaara likely wasn't going to try out the "hey guys I'm a Traitor" claim on Day 2. It's just a poor decision. So I think we can discard the theory that the Traitors were all on the same side from the start. So I'm operating, as I said before, on the "Fain was a cult leader" assumption. Which again, means that name-claiming over time will be increasingly useless.
The thing is, if we kill Ushaara, discarding or believing that theory becomes something we can do with 100% certainty, rather than, say, 85%. Which means there's still the possibility we're operating on false information, and putting trust in an untrustworthy party. That's what the pro-lynching Ushaara team is looking for with their lynch.
But if we trust Ushaara, as Fyler wants to, this leaves us with a dilemma. Ushaara has a power that disinclines anyone to target him in the night, because they will die. The good news is he can control this. The downside is, the night he chooses not to use it is also a night he can be converted by a Traitor scum team, making him a useful convert (as I suspected Malmydia might be).
To verify Ushaara, then, we would need to guarantee that he could be watched while he was being investigated, because it would be the only way to for sure know he hadn't been converted the night his power wasn't up. This seems very messy to me, and a large use of town's resources, particularly since Ushaara may well choose to activate his power to kill the investigator if he has, since Day 2, been converted at any point. That makes him into a sort of Schrodinger's Traitor: is he good or is he evil? He might find it worth blowing his cover by using his revenge after all if he could kill such big name targets.
Therefore as much as Ushaara insists he can be verified, I do think it's better for town to simply decide if they're going to trust him or not, and keep an eye on him long term if they decide they're going to let him stick around. The risk otherwise is very high, and not entirely worth it.
Here's the good, though: converting a town Ushaara just got a lot trickier for a Traitor team, as he's claiming a revenge power. That's dangerous for them, as they already lost Vivet. Ushaara might no longer be a high profile target after all.
Here's the bad: Vivet defending Ushaara, and Ushaara not revealing his revenge power (while insisting to us he didn't activate it a night he most assuredly could have expected to be targeted), both paint his actions in a negative light, as does a Traitor flipping scum.
The question is if you think Ushaara is playing town or playing mafia. That comes down to reading his behavior, and can spiral into a WIFOM situation.
My problem is, I have 5 other people on my "suspect list". Portius, Phoebus, Sylandra, Ssaliss, and Fyler.
The following people are on my cleared list. Luce, Selenity, Othero. It doesn't give me much to go on.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
No jailing the Selenity if it might kill you. Bad Yomo. Or er. Good Yomo being bad!
Ushaara - Dylara, Othero, Ssaliss, Weiwae, Selenity, Phoebus (6)
Sylandra - Fyler (1)
Othero - Shaddus (1)
Shaddus - Tremula, Ushaara (2)
Yomoigu - Breandryn (1)
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!
Thanks Selenity for making the mistake first!
I don't suppose you'd have any way to know if someone targeted Selenity while you jailed her, would you, @Yomoigu? Can't hurt to ask.
Additionally, @Tremula I'd like to hear more from you. I know you want to vote Shaddus and you've stated why you took part on that lynch train, but I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on the other events of the day. Don't want to let people vote and slip under the radar!