Hnngh, just read Breandryn's argument again, and do think there's something fishy going on there now.
Two jailors doesn't seem likely. That Shaddus had claimed investigator made me think "maybe", and that powers were being duplicated so that Town wouldn't be shafted by losing a critical power to cult conversion.
Okay, Shaddus' "corrected" claim is that he's a tracker, and so he should have seen who Yomo's target was.
I don't buy the tracker claim, since he should have been able to name Yomo's target. So he's a confirmed investigator through Sylandra/Yomoigu's acceptance of his results.
While it's not unheard of for town to get two investigators, it's pretty rare. Luce's play confirms Luce as the Town investigator to me.
I think Shaddus is the Traitor faction's investigator and the unnecessary reveals were to feed information to the other scum groups.
If I'm right, this will also hopefully once and for all confirm the non-canon/canon Traitor faction makeup issue.
Something odd definitely seems to be going on with these powers. I really don't think it was a busdriver, otherwise something wouldn't have worked, but people are verifying that things did indeed go off. My guess would be either some kind of power copier, or a jack-of-all-trades.
I think Shaddus is the Traitor faction's investigator and the unnecessary reveals were to feed information to the other scum groups.
If I'm right, this will also hopefully once and for all confirm the non-canon/canon Traitor faction makeup issue.
Why are you assuming Traitor faction, not Soulless? Soulless is still our main enemy, y'know. Even the Traitors need the Soulless to lose in order to win.
And I know I can't be the only person who doesn't buy into the whole "I'm a murder-doctor but I swear I'm good. By the way, if you ever try to verify it, I will kill you." thing.
As I said, I'm assuming Traitor faction because it reads to me like feeding information to the Soulless faction groups. Best chance of a Traitor win is surviving as long as they can while Soulless kill townies. Revealing information such as he did informs them of who good targets to go for are.
I also think that Portius' individual SK mafia theory is a goer. I don't believe Soulless are wasting their time investigating/blocking etc., and are simply omnomnom'ing people.
It's pure speculation, yes, but I think him raising that idea was a subtle "Yo, our kills clashed with each other last night but I'm also Soulless. Target elsewhere!"
So my best guess for Soulless is still Portius, but for Traitor guess and to finally clear the non-canon/canon issue that plagues me, I'm willing to go Shaddus first.
And I know I can't be the only person who doesn't buy into the whole "I'm a murder-doctor but I swear I'm good. By the way, if you ever try to verify it, I will kill you." thing.
I can't do anything about the role I got dealt, more than you can about yours. As I said, I'm a convenient fall guy, and if I'm lynched because of it, that's the way it goes.
I'm as tired of the debate around me as everyone else is. But again, you're all choosing to focus on me as if I were the only option to lynch.
And I know I can't be the only person who doesn't buy into the whole "I'm a murder-doctor but I swear I'm good. By the way, if you ever try to verify it, I will kill you." thing.
I can't do anything about the role I got dealt, more than you can about yours. As I said, I'm a convenient fall guy, and if I'm lynched because of it, that's the way it goes.
I'm as tired of the debate around me as everyone else is. But again, you're all choosing to focus on me as if I were the only option to lynch.
I'm not.
You're not the only option to lynch, but you are one of the best options we have at the moment for multiple reasons, and if we never get rid of you it's always going to come back to this, every day.
-Your role is traditionally a traitor. Mod confirmation on what this means one way or another can only help us. -We know Fain was here, we know Vivet was against the vote train on you. The Forbidden Elixir from her role flip is likely a recruitment power. I really can't help but feel like this is related, and thus don't feel safe leaving a traitor alive. -You've claimed a power that makes it very unlikely anyone will risk trying to investigate you or nightkill you. -I seriously don't give a damn if it wouldn't be logical for you to claim Malmydia if you were scum, because it wasn't logical for you to claim it as town without being prompted to, either. All it did was cause a ton of chaos that we're still dealing with today.
Again, that chaos was not of my making. I was expecting blowback, sure, but the chaos was caused as a result of the Weiwae/Sylandra argument and the lines that formed after.
Lynching me verifies canon/noncanon, certainly, but now given Shaddus' shady actions, you have another option to test canon/noncanon.
Be suspicious of me, great. Being so blinkered that you think lynching me is the only way of verifying my claim is just wrong though.
Find a Traitor who isn't canon, what I've said is true. Shaddus' actions are looking Traitors like.
I'm a bit thrown by @Portius' claim of targetting role name instead of players. If half of us hadn't started giving out names early on, were you just going to be taking shots in the dark about which gods were in the game?
Also going to agree that Shaddus' behavior all game has been pretty suspect. Going to Vote: Shaddus for now, but still open to others including an Ushaara lynch.
I'm a bit thrown by @Portius' claim of targetting role name instead of players. If half of us hadn't started giving out names early on, were you just going to be taking shots in the dark about which gods were in the game?
People started claiming names before I decided how best to handle it. I don't know that it's worth claiming actual powers right now, but I will say that I have x-shots instead of consistent powers. So I think I'm supposed to save them until people revealed role names naturally. I'm not absolutely convinced that claiming a role name is inherently bad, either. I just wanted to make it clear that there might be risks associated. I might be the only one who cares about the actual names, but Luce claiming a name (plus hint of role, I guess? I'm not really clear on what counts as a bit.) investigator role makes me suspect that I'm not.
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Okay, Shaddus' "corrected" claim is that he's a tracker, and so he should have seen who Yomo's target was.
I don't buy the tracker claim, since he should have been able to name Yomo's target.
Vote Shaddus
As much as I wish this were true, it's not. Neither of my trackings have given me a role name at all. My first night check of Sylandra told me that while I was following her, she disappeared into thin air in the Northern Waste. My second night gave me what really just sounded like flavor text, that I had been coming down the mountain with some elders and they mentioned that someone had been imprisoned on the mountain. I realised that "That is what Yomoigu had been doing, so I saved myself the trip to watch him".
Neither tells me who they actually are, and neither tells me who that person's target (or not) was.
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In an effort to finally put this canon/noncanon thing to bed...
Fain, of the Red Masque - Vivet
Twelve Traitors: They will brand us as traitors if we fail, but we are the only hope for survival against the Soulless. The Soulless will not stop until we stop them, and we are the only ones able to stop them. They have betrayed us by denying us our only chance at victory. You may exchange messages freely during the night with other members of your group.
Traitors: You win when all Soulless are defeated and the rest of the Elders pose no threat (have a majority over town).
Forbidden Elixir: The other traitors have kept this for themselves.
Things to note. Plurals, plurals, plurals. We. Group. Night chat. Other traitors. etc.
We've been assuming Forbidden Elixir is a cult recruitment thing, but it could be anything.
Could be recruitment. Could detail a pact with the Soulless. Could be a 1-shot power.
What we -do- know is that this Traitor group started with more than one person.
How many? No idea.
-If- the Forbidden Elixir is a recruitment, since they start with multiple members, for balance concerns it would have to be limited recruitment. 1-shot, 3-shot, whatever...
Fyler seems to be the only person who gets this, but if I was in this group, no way in hell would claiming Malmydia have been a good play with Fain around.
I was not, and am not part of this faction.
So Vivet's reticence to lynch me is a valid suspicion, but it projects a lot onto what -might- be the case.
We now have two confirmed investigators.
For me, the likeliest cult recruitment scenario is that the Traitors have an investigator who can sniff around for powers they want to recruit, especially if their recruitment is limited.
Okay, Shaddus' "corrected" claim is that he's a tracker, and so he should have seen who Yomo's target was.
I don't buy the tracker claim, since he should have been able to name Yomo's target.
Vote Shaddus
As much as I wish this were true, it's not. Neither of my trackings have given me a role name at all. My first night check of Sylandra told me that while I was following her, she disappeared into thin air in the Northern Waste. My second night gave me what really just sounded like flavor text, that I had been coming down the mountain with some elders and they mentioned that someone had been imprisoned on the mountain. I realised that "That is what Yomoigu had been doing, so I saved myself the trip to watch him".
Neither tells me who they actually are, and neither tells me who that person's target (or not) was.
One last response since I didn't notice this one come in.
In that case, I'm going to channel 'The Giver', and say "Precision of language!"
Tracker implies a very specific thing - that you see who the person targets.
If Othero's information is true, we could have lost 3 people last night.
While yes, Fain/Vivet's death could have been a vigilante, why did the vigilante not target me? It would have yielded the best information to town, over taking a shot on Vivet, who had next to no attention on her.
Again, this fits with Traitor kill + 2 SK Soulless kills. -> Traitor faction didn't convert.
If Othero's information is true, we could have lost 3 people last night.
While yes, Fain/Vivet's death could have been a vigilante, why did the vigilante not target me? It would have yielded the best information to town, over taking a shot on Vivet, who had next to no attention on her.
Again, this fits with Traitor kill + 2 SK Soulless kills. -> Traitor faction didn't convert.
Maybe they felt you were a trap, considering how quiet you were regarding powers.
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Vote: Ushaara because maybe we can actually do this and move on with our lives. This doesn't mean I'm not suspicious/curious about certain other questionable individuals. But I do think this needs to be done.
I am going to vote Ushaara. In all the back and forth about wasting resources, Ushaara never spoke up about it being a bad idea to investigate him.
Well the true answer to that is likely because I was asleep, and by the time I woke up, the argument had moved on.
But really, how do you think that would have went at the time?
"Err, it's a bad idea to investigate me!"
That's just asking to be lynched.
I did not activate my power last night, because I was certain someone would target me to confirm the claim.
My ability is X-Shot, Town can investigate me, if they have the patience.
You could have just said that it would indeed be a waste of precious resources. Why didn't you mention that this power only works when activated? If the powers aren't always active, why claim them at this point? Something isn't feeling right.
I can't remember or look back right now to see who was making the points about communication, but I would just like to remind everyone that apparently the Traitors can talk to each other in secret during the day. So any logic about traitors talking to each other at night isn't valid.
At this point, I think we have enough days to lose Ushaara if we are wrong about him being suspicious. There is still Portius and Phoebus and Sylandra. I'm really curious about those who have flown under the radar and we can look at them tomorrow. Such as Ssaliss.
At this point, I think we have enough days to lose Ushaara if we are wrong about him being suspicious. There is still Portius and Phoebus and Sylandra. I'm really curious about those who have flown under the radar and we can look at them tomorrow. Such as Ssaliss.
I have a question regarding the group you're putting together here:
Why isn't @Yomoigu included? If I'm not mistaken, both he and you possess jailor powers. Why would town require two jailors? As a jailor yourself, do you not find that odd?
@Yomoigu please feel free to clarify if I am misunderstanding what power you've claimed.
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Two jailors doesn't seem likely. That Shaddus had claimed investigator made me think "maybe", and that powers were being duplicated so that Town wouldn't be shafted by losing a critical power to cult conversion.
If Othero was bussed, he wasn't jailed/blocked, so his Soulless Sense worked -> Selenity was targeted by a Soulless.
Weiwae set out to jail Othero, but was bussed to Selenity -> Selenity was jailed/protected.
Shaddus claims Yomo jailed/isolated someone, but also claims to be tracker, so -should- have seen who the target was. Apparently did not.
Something is definitely fishy here.
I don't buy the tracker claim, since he should have been able to name Yomo's target. So he's a confirmed investigator through Sylandra/Yomoigu's acceptance of his results.
While it's not unheard of for town to get two investigators, it's pretty rare. Luce's play confirms Luce as the Town investigator to me.
I think Shaddus is the Traitor faction's investigator and the unnecessary reveals were to feed information to the other scum groups.
If I'm right, this will also hopefully once and for all confirm the non-canon/canon Traitor faction makeup issue.
Vote Shaddus
Why are you assuming Traitor faction, not Soulless? Soulless is still our main enemy, y'know. Even the Traitors need the Soulless to lose in order to win.
I also think that Portius' individual SK mafia theory is a goer. I don't believe Soulless are wasting their time investigating/blocking etc., and are simply omnomnom'ing people.
It's pure speculation, yes, but I think him raising that idea was a subtle "Yo, our kills clashed with each other last night but I'm also Soulless. Target elsewhere!"
So my best guess for Soulless is still Portius, but for Traitor guess and to finally clear the non-canon/canon issue that plagues me, I'm willing to go Shaddus first.
I'm as tired of the debate around me as everyone else is. But again, you're all choosing to focus on me as if I were the only option to lynch.
I'm not.
-Your role is traditionally a traitor. Mod confirmation on what this means one way or another can only help us.
-We know Fain was here, we know Vivet was against the vote train on you. The Forbidden Elixir from her role flip is likely a recruitment power. I really can't help but feel like this is related, and thus don't feel safe leaving a traitor alive.
-You've claimed a power that makes it very unlikely anyone will risk trying to investigate you or nightkill you.
-I seriously don't give a damn if it wouldn't be logical for you to claim Malmydia if you were scum, because it wasn't logical for you to claim it as town without being prompted to, either. All it did was cause a ton of chaos that we're still dealing with today.
Lynching me verifies canon/noncanon, certainly, but now given Shaddus' shady actions, you have another option to test canon/noncanon.
Be suspicious of me, great. Being so blinkered that you think lynching me is the only way of verifying my claim is just wrong though.
Find a Traitor who isn't canon, what I've said is true. Shaddus' actions are looking Traitors like.
Also going to agree that Shaddus' behavior all game has been pretty suspect. Going to Vote: Shaddus for now, but still open to others including an Ushaara lynch.
People started claiming names before I decided how best to handle it. I don't know that it's worth claiming actual powers right now, but I will say that I have x-shots instead of consistent powers. So I think I'm supposed to save them until people revealed role names naturally. I'm not absolutely convinced that claiming a role name is inherently bad, either. I just wanted to make it clear that there might be risks associated. I might be the only one who cares about the actual names, but Luce claiming a name (plus hint of role, I guess? I'm not really clear on what counts as a bit.) investigator role makes me suspect that I'm not.
"Yo, Hedonismbot, I see you've brought the wine."
"Yes, I have wine for days, though these mere Gods seen to fall asleep immediately when they partake, how droll."
From which I know he plays Hedonismbot and suspect he's a blocker.
Neither tells me who they actually are, and neither tells me who that person's target (or not) was.
Vote: Ushaara
Things to note. Plurals, plurals, plurals. We. Group. Night chat. Other traitors. etc.
We've been assuming Forbidden Elixir is a cult recruitment thing, but it could be anything.
Could be recruitment. Could detail a pact with the Soulless. Could be a 1-shot power.
What we -do- know is that this Traitor group started with more than one person.
How many? No idea.
-If- the Forbidden Elixir is a recruitment, since they start with multiple members, for balance concerns it would have to be limited recruitment. 1-shot, 3-shot, whatever...
Fyler seems to be the only person who gets this, but if I was in this group, no way in hell would claiming Malmydia have been a good play with Fain around.
I was not, and am not part of this faction.
So Vivet's reticence to lynch me is a valid suspicion, but it projects a lot onto what -might- be the case.
We now have two confirmed investigators.
For me, the likeliest cult recruitment scenario is that the Traitors have an investigator who can sniff around for powers they want to recruit, especially if their recruitment is limited.
But really, how do you think that would have went at the time?
"Err, it's a bad idea to investigate me!"
That's just asking to be lynched.
I did not activate my power last night, because I was certain someone would target me to confirm the claim.
My ability is X-Shot, Town can investigate me, if they have the patience.
Chicken with the Soulless, on whether I activate my power or not.
Chicken with the rest of Town, for daring to admit I have a scummy role.
So as before, tough role, tough break.
But if I try argue my innocence any more, I'll just spiral into incoherence. I'm shutting up.
In that case, I'm going to channel 'The Giver', and say "Precision of language!"
Tracker implies a very specific thing - that you see who the person targets.
If Othero's information is true, we could have lost 3 people last night.
While yes, Fain/Vivet's death could have been a vigilante, why did the vigilante not target me? It would have yielded the best information to town, over taking a shot on Vivet, who had next to no attention on her.
Again, this fits with Traitor kill + 2 SK Soulless kills. -> Traitor faction didn't convert.
Ushaara - Dylara, Othero, Sylandra, Ssaliss, Weiwae, Selenity (6)
Sylandra - Fyler (1)
Othero - Shaddus (1)
Shaddus - Tremula, Ushaara (2)
Yomoigu - Breandryn (1)
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch!
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
Also I am well-rested and less cranky so expect me to post something more coherent soon, haha.
A failed effort.
But an effort none the less.
So it's Ushy at 5, no Cylinder / Sylandra.
This doesn't mean I'm not suspicious/curious about certain other questionable individuals. But I do think this needs to be done.
I can't remember or look back right now to see who was making the points about communication, but I would just like to remind everyone that apparently the Traitors can talk to each other in secret during the day. So any logic about traitors talking to each other at night isn't valid.
At this point, I think we have enough days to lose Ushaara if we are wrong about him being suspicious. There is still Portius and Phoebus and Sylandra. I'm really curious about those who have flown under the radar and we can look at them tomorrow. Such as Ssaliss.
Why isn't @Yomoigu included? If I'm not mistaken, both he and you possess jailor powers. Why would town require two jailors? As a jailor yourself, do you not find that odd?
@Yomoigu please feel free to clarify if I am misunderstanding what power you've claimed.