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I didn't complain about Neos. My comment to Neos was tongue in cheek until you started crapping bricks all over the thread over nothing. I really don't understand what's so hard to get.
I kind of wonder though if such petulant acts like kicking something someone is influencing then running off could be considered a form of harassment, there are in-game methods of dealing with it if you are unhappy with competition, such as shattering them through debating, or killing them outright. Kicking a monster with a weak attack so it no longer responds to influencing could be considered mechanic abuse.
Why would it be any more of a harassment thing than someone coming in and attacking the creatures you are attacking?
Sure, it might be annoying, but it's not abuse... mobs are specifically designed to not want to influence when they are feeling aggressive. It has always been that way, and it's something that has been used under various scenarios for years.
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Maybe a more accurate statement is light hearted jabbing, friendly joshing, a text wedgie. So chill and but the crazy back in the can.
"Neos can stop complaining about how terribad aquas are, which he does consistently, and you can stop bitchfitting over nothing."
"I didn't complain about Neos. My comment to Neos was tongue in cheek
until you started crapping bricks all over the thread over nothing. I
really don't understand what's so hard to get. "
One of these statements is false.
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I kind of wonder though if such petulant acts like kicking something someone is influencing then running off could be considered a form of harassment, there are in-game methods of dealing with it if you are unhappy with competition, such as shattering them through debating, or killing them outright. Kicking a monster with a weak attack so it no longer responds to influencing could be considered mechanic abuse.
If they are there, they'll call me out on it and we can have a nice in character discussion about the dangers of influencing certain areas while other people are there.
If they aren't there, they won't notice, and should've been issued to begin with.
That kind of thing is fine, plus I agree with that since it also makes the newer player aware of the risks since it may be an enemy stepping into there, that may not hesitate to kill them, auto-influencing needs to be ISSUEd, enough said. Like I added in my earlier post, it is when people go "I WAS HERE FIRST, OUT OUT OUT!!!!1!1one", it reeks of selfishness. If you can chain world-shattering critical hits, more power to you, you'll still get a good 90% of the kills while the youngling gets a small hit of experience towards their own goal of reaching demigod.
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
I kind of wonder though if such petulant acts like kicking something someone is influencing then running off could be considered a form of harassment, there are in-game methods of dealing with it if you are unhappy with competition, such as shattering them through debating, or killing them outright. Kicking a monster with a weak attack so it no longer responds to influencing could be considered mechanic abuse.
If they are there, they'll call me out on it and we can have a nice in character discussion about the dangers of influencing certain areas while other people are there.
If they aren't there, they won't notice, and should've been issued to begin with.
That kind of thing is fine, plus I agree with that since it also makes the newer player aware of the risks since it may be an enemy stepping into there, that may not hesitate to kill them, auto-influencing needs to be ISSUEd, enough said. Like I added in my earlier post, it is when people go "I WAS HERE FIRST, OUT OUT OUT!!!!1!1one", it reeks of selfishness. If you can chain world-shattering critical hits, more power to you, you'll still get a good 90% of the kills while the youngling gets a small hit of experience towards their own goal of reaching demigod.
Again, then I could explain to that person ICly of the dangers of being in the area with someone like me. I'm really talking about only the 18 year olds who come into the area and start influencing, not any person who comes into the area.
If not, then I could just find out that they were afk influencing, and issue.
2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
I personally don't see anything wrong with young, high-level characters. I mean, we balance around Demigod with multiple Trans'd skills, right? Why are we suddenly being snippy at people who just want to achieve that?
I don't mind people who want to get demigod. Really, I don't. I mean, I'm trying to get demigod, and when I'm demigod, I hope people continue to aim for and get demigod.
What I mind is that there are low level influencing and bashing areas specifically meant for people of lower levels that, many have found, are unnecessary. Unnecessary to the point of going around it for the sake of getting levels. My character, for example, would be far more likely to kill things if there were worthwhile things to kill at level 99 that wouldn't eat her face instantly or nearly thereso. But it's not feasible, and influencing is sadly much faster. Additionally, I have seen people roll warriors and then only influence. Why? Because you need to be a demigod to be a good/decent fighter, and to get there, you need to level, and it's much quicker and safer to influence.
If influencing was changed today to be slower or more difficult, as I sit here at approximately 60% of the way through demigod, I would not complain. Even if it added an RL year onto my getting demigod, I wouldn't complain. Influencing is the best and only way to level quickly, safely, in this game. And that it is so easy to game the game (also known as metagame) in this way is bothersome on many levels.
I kind of wonder though if such petulant acts like kicking something someone is influencing then running off could be considered a form of harassment, there are in-game methods of dealing with it if you are unhappy with competition, such as shattering them through debating, or killing them outright. Kicking a monster with a weak attack so it no longer responds to influencing could be considered mechanic abuse.
Why would it be any more of a harassment thing than someone coming in and attacking the creatures you are attacking?
Sure, it might be annoying, but it's not abuse... mobs are specifically designed to not want to influence when they are feeling aggressive. It has always been that way, and it's something that has been used under various scenarios for years.
Because if it is two people attacking a creature using melee strikes, it comes down to who can kill it first. Sure it's a [censored] move, but it is a perfectly valid tactic. Now if someone follows you around, REPEATEDLY stealing your kills, even after leaving a zone, that can be considered harassment.
Walking up to a denizen that someone is using influence skills on and newbie-kicking them using a weak attack so that it no longer responds to any influence based attacks, leaving the person influencing with the option of attack-or-run is abusing the way denizen combat mechanics are set up.
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
"Neos can stop complaining about how terribad aquas are, which he does consistently, and you can stop bitchfitting over nothing."
"I didn't complain about Neos. My comment to Neos was tongue in cheek until you started crapping bricks all over the thread over nothing. I really don't understand what's so hard to get. "
I kind of wonder though if such petulant acts like kicking something someone is influencing then running off could be considered a form of harassment, there are in-game methods of dealing with it if you are unhappy with competition, such as shattering them through debating, or killing them outright. Kicking a monster with a weak attack so it no longer responds to influencing could be considered mechanic abuse.
Why would it be any more of a harassment thing than someone coming in and attacking the creatures you are attacking?
Sure, it might be annoying, but it's not abuse... mobs are specifically designed to not want to influence when they are feeling aggressive. It has always been that way, and it's something that has been used under various scenarios for years.
Because if it is two people attacking a creature using melee strikes, it comes down to who can kill it first. Sure it's a [censored] move, but it is a perfectly valid tactic. Now if someone follows you around, REPEATEDLY stealing your kills, even after leaving a zone, that can be considered harassment.
Walking up to a denizen that someone is using influence skills on and newbie-kicking them using a weak attack so that it no longer responds to any influence based attacks, leaving the person influencing with the option of attack-or-run is abusing the way denizen combat mechanics are set up.
Me vs. a newbie... the odds of the newbie getting the killing blow are pretty tiny. It's not really a fair match in any way, shape, or form.
I still do not see the abuse you claim. It's not abuse, it is how they are designed to behave. Mobs do not want to talk when they are in fight-mode.
I mean, heck, I could just debate the newbie and shatter them, leaving them unable to influence anywhere for quite some time; that is also a perfectly valid tactic (and if they are not paying attention, they will not only eat the loss to being shattered, they will also lose xp when the mob responds to them when they are at 0 ego).
I guess we will just have different views on this, but I have zero tolerance for afk-influence-or-bash gen-runners. I personally feel like they are harassing everyone else by taking up resources which other people who are actually contributors to the game would like to enjoy.
I don't mind people who want to get demigod. Really, I don't. I mean, I'm trying to get demigod, and when I'm demigod, I hope people continue to aim for and get demigod.
What I mind is that there are low level influencing and bashing areas specifically meant for people of lower levels that, many have found, are unnecessary. Unnecessary to the point of going around it for the sake of getting levels. My character, for example, would be far more likely to kill things if there were worthwhile things to kill at level 99 that wouldn't eat her face instantly or nearly thereso. But it's not feasible, and influencing is sadly much faster. Additionally, I have seen people roll warriors and then only influence. Why? Because you need to be a demigod to be a good/decent fighter, and to get there, you need to level, and it's much quicker and safer to influence.
If influencing was changed today to be slower or more difficult, as I sit here at approximately 60% of the way through demigod, I would not complain. Even if it added an RL year onto my getting demigod, I wouldn't complain. Influencing is the best and only way to level quickly, safely, in this game. And that it is so easy to game the game (also known as metagame) in this way is bothersome on many levels.
I think you're equating 'young / 18-year-old' with 'low-level'. For me, I influenced Newton until level 20. Villages until level 30. Guards until level 60. Tosha, Caoimhe Dell, Wydyr, and kephera until level 80. I only started Icewynd and Lirangsha from 80 onwards.
All of it done in three days.
Checking the Level Guide for Influencing thread, most of the areas I influenced were level-appropriate. And I did it when I was IG 16 years old. I was already influencing Icewynd and Lirangsha at that game age. Would I be classified with 'low-level 18 year old characters influencing an area above their level'?
We balance at Demigod+. It shouldn't be a surprise that people want to achieve that as quickly as possible.
I guess we will just have different views on this, but I have zero tolerance for afk-influence-or-bash gen-runners. I personally feel like they are harassing everyone else by taking up resources which other people who are actually contributors to the game would like to enjoy.
I think we may have crossed wires. I'm talking about people running in and newbie-kicking denizens when someone is FULLY ATTENTIVE AND AT THEIR KEYBOARD (aka NOT AFK-influencing) because they are pissed that someone DARED come in and start influence in THEIR stomping ground.
If they are AFK, they should be ISSUEd, simple as that. It is never wise to assume that someone is afk-influencing (personally I NEVER would do that, I don't want to set a bad example for other newcomers within Celest)
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
I don't mind people who want to get demigod. Really, I don't. I mean, I'm trying to get demigod, and when I'm demigod, I hope people continue to aim for and get demigod.
What I mind is that there are low level influencing and bashing areas specifically meant for people of lower levels that, many have found, are unnecessary. Unnecessary to the point of going around it for the sake of getting levels. My character, for example, would be far more likely to kill things if there were worthwhile things to kill at level 99 that wouldn't eat her face instantly or nearly thereso. But it's not feasible, and influencing is sadly much faster. Additionally, I have seen people roll warriors and then only influence. Why? Because you need to be a demigod to be a good/decent fighter, and to get there, you need to level, and it's much quicker and safer to influence.
If influencing was changed today to be slower or more difficult, as I sit here at approximately 60% of the way through demigod, I would not complain. Even if it added an RL year onto my getting demigod, I wouldn't complain. Influencing is the best and only way to level quickly, safely, in this game. And that it is so easy to game the game (also known as metagame) in this way is bothersome on many levels.
I think you're equating 'young / 18-year-old' with 'low-level'. For me, I influenced Newton until level 20. Villages until level 30. Guards until level 60. Tosha, Caoimhe Dell, Wydyr, and kephera until level 80. I only started Icewynd and Lirangsha from 80 onwards.
All of it done in three days.
Checking the Level Guide for Influencing thread, most of the areas I influenced were level-appropriate. And I did it when I was IG 16 years old. I was already influencing Icewynd and Lirangsha at that game age. Would I be classified with 'low-level 18 year old characters influencing an area above their level'?
We balance at Demigod+. It shouldn't be a surprise that people want to achieve that as quickly as possible.
Perhaps it's the RPer in me, but if you are a demigod before age 20, you should be considered something of a prodigy. Something that takes hours and hours and hours of real life effort, done in such a short time span? This shouldn't be the norm, which is what it's becoming or already has becoming.
The issue isn't people wanting to get it as quickly as possible. The issue is how quickly it is possible to get it.
It's already become that. I've seen 20-year-old Demigods here more than once, from influencing and aetherbashing more often than not. I don't see a problem with it, honestly. Demigod is where balance exists. It also seems to be where most combat exists (Domoths, with the exception of stage 2). It should be accessible to players in a timeframe shorter than a month.
Or, combat could be reworked so that Demigod isn't the entry-level. That works, too.
I guess we will just have different views on this, but I have zero tolerance for afk-influence-or-bash gen-runners. I personally feel like they are harassing everyone else by taking up resources which other people who are actually contributors to the game would like to enjoy.
I think we may have crossed wires. I'm talking about people running in and newbie-kicking denizens when someone is FULLY ATTENTIVE AND AT THEIR KEYBOARD (aka NOT AFK-influencing) because they are pissed that someone DARED come in and start influence in THEIR stomping ground.
Still not seeing how kicking a denizen is any worse from flat-out attacking and killing the mob. Or killing the player. Or debating them. Use doesn't always equal abuse, this is getting outlandish.
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Yeah, getting demigod (or at least a major headstart on it) has become incredibly easy.
Legendary ikon: +200% experience
Kiss of the fates: +100% experience
Goldentonic: +100 experience
1st arena duel win: +50% experience
Harmony blessing: +50% experience (NEEDS VERIFICATION AS TO HOW MUCH IT REALLY GIVES)
1st freezetag win: +50% experience
1st slippers win: +50% experience
100 vermin killed: +50% experience
Influence achievement: +50-75% experience (depending on if you got 100 or 1000 influences)
hunting achievement: +50-75% experience (depending on if you got 100 or 1000 kills)
Cookie from an urtrap: +10% experience
If someone was to stack all those (not incredibly difficult) You'd have a MASSIVE +750-800% experience gain for 24 hours. (And I checked a while back, there is NO cap on how high the experience bonus can be boosted. Stacking all your achievements like this is PERFECTLY valid and legal) And assuming you wanted to take a break from influencing and bash for a little bit, you'd still have a 550-600% boost, taking out the influence-only gain.
EDIT: Heck, with a 600% experience boost, I almost shudder to think how quickly someone could burn through the 90-demi bracket with a determined aetherhunt...
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
On on unrelated topic, I think I'm now cured of wanting to start conversations with random people. Never. Again.
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Yeah, getting demigod (or at least a major headstart on it) has become incredibly easy.
Legendary ikon: +200% experience
Kiss of the fates: +100% experience
Goldentonic: +100 experience
1st arena duel win: +50% experience
Harmony blessing: +50% experience
1st freezetag win: +50% experience
1st slippers win: +50% experience
100 vermin killed: +50% experience
Influence achievement: +50-75% experience (depending on if you got 100 or 1000 influences)
hunting achievement: +50-75% experience (depending on if you got 100 or 1000 kills)
Cookie from an urtrap: +10% experience
If someone was to stack all those (not incredibly difficult) You'd have a MASSIVE +750-800% experience gain for 24 hours. (And I checked a while back, there is NO cap on how high the experience bonus can be boosted. Stacking all your achievements like this is PERFECTLY valid and legal) And assuming you wanted to take a break from influencing and bash for a little bit, you'd still have a 550-600% boost, taking out the influence-only gain.
EDIT: Heck, with a 600% experience boost, I almost shudder to think how quickly someone could burn through the 90-demi bracket with a determined aetherhunt...
You forgot the bonus EXP from having a subscription.
Pretty much all of them do. I know, I did it for 98-demi, then spent the entire time in Eventru's godrealm. I remember because I ISSUEd the divine a long time ago just before a greathunt, trying to calculate how high you could boost your experience gain and whether or not they would all stack with the bonus you get from the Greathunt - they replied that there is no cap and that bonuses stacked
Before: approx 0.01% exp per successful influence
after: Approx 0.08% exp per successful.
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
You forgot the bonus EXP from having a subscription.
Didn't include that because it takes 5 IRL months to ramp up to the maximum bonus of 25% - first month you get it, it is only 5% Also I tried to include only things that people do not need to spend RL money on. (Yes, you CAN spend money on credits for a Kiss of the Fates, but you don't NEED to - you can afford one by the time you hit level 25 - before you are even booted out of Newton Caverns)
Never put passion before principle. Even if you win, you lose.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
The issue is Faeling/Trill and maybe Merian Seasingers all have such a high base Cha that you can do Lirangsha/Cp at 60 with just the lessons provided by achievements and levelling.
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Sure, it might be annoying, but it's not abuse... mobs are specifically designed to not want to influence when they are feeling aggressive. It has always been that way, and it's something that has been used under various scenarios for years.
Maybe a more accurate statement is light hearted jabbing, friendly joshing, a text wedgie. So chill and but the crazy back in the can.
"I didn't complain about Neos. My comment to Neos was tongue in cheek until you started crapping bricks all over the thread over nothing. I really don't understand what's so hard to get. "
One of these statements is false.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
If not, then I could just find out that they were afk influencing, and issue.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
One of my fingers demonstrates how much I care.
I still do not see the abuse you claim. It's not abuse, it is how they are designed to behave. Mobs do not want to talk when they are in fight-mode.
I mean, heck, I could just debate the newbie and shatter them, leaving them unable to influence anywhere for quite some time; that is also a perfectly valid tactic (and if they are not paying attention, they will not only eat the loss to being shattered, they will also lose xp when the mob responds to them when they are at 0 ego).
I guess we will just have different views on this, but I have zero tolerance for afk-influence-or-bash gen-runners. I personally feel like they are harassing everyone else by taking up resources which other people who are actually contributors to the game would like to enjoy.
All of it done in three days.
Checking the Level Guide for Influencing thread, most of the areas I influenced were level-appropriate. And I did it when I was IG 16 years old. I was already influencing Icewynd and Lirangsha at that game age. Would I be classified with 'low-level 18 year old characters influencing an area above their level'?
We balance at Demigod+. It shouldn't be a surprise that people want to achieve that as quickly as possible.
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Or, combat could be reworked so that Demigod isn't the entry-level. That works, too.
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If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
If olive oil comes from olives, where does baby oil come from?
If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Autumn and Bloodrage are both 5% as well (though bloodrage is 10% in taint)
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!