Here's my 'dirty secret' - every candidate for marriage that I've wanted ends up getting married to someone else.
Lillie isn't around very often at all because of the college. I feel awful for considering divorce, but.
So you're like Good Luck Chuck?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I'm grateful for the plays on Hallifax's stage that can be drawn from for culturally appropriate inspiration. I re-watched/re-read Sylandra's "Undeserving Eyes," @Irillia's "Holograms and Hearts," and @Nihmriel's "Rise and Fall" recently and it's just really pushing me to try and finish my own work-in-development so that I can have an iota as much of an influence on Hallifax's stage culture as them. Even if it's impossible! (Partly because I succumb to writer's block way too easily and take literally a year to write something, partly because these ladies are too good.)
Shevat, why do you have such a high density of cool women?
(Dirty player secret: I really, really wanted to be Shevat when I was a novice. SORRY WINDWHISPER I LOVE YOU BEST NOW.)
It's okay. Everyone knows star-crossed couples are the best kinds of couples in Hallifax. Plus I was adopted second, so technically it's my bad.
Plus Daraius/Sylandra is my OTP. So don't feel bad!
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EveriineWise Old Swordsbird / BrontaurIndianapolis, IN, USA
Dirty player secret: I have no idea what OTP means .
Everiine is a man, and is very manly. This MAN before you is so manly you might as well just gender bend right now, cause he's the manliest man that you ever did see. His manly shape has spurned many women and girlyer men to boughs of fainting. He stands before you in a manly manerific typical man-like outfit which is covered in his manly motto: "I am a man!"
Daraius said: You gotta risk it for the biscuit.
Pony power all the way, yo. The more Brontaurs the better.
Plus Daraius/Sylandra is my OTP. So don't feel bad!
Agreed. @Daraius and @Sylandra were and still remain one of my favorite couples ever. So perfect together.
Semi-related dirty secret: I actually looked up cousin-marriages on Wikipedia after I found out that Irillia and @Zyphora were cousins. And yes, there really does exist an entire page devoted to cousins marrying cousins and its cultural and biological feasibility - who knew? (I may have also directed a few mental grumbles at the time at @Phoebus for bloodbonding so many people, too, even though I can't really blame her for it now.)
Erm, Glom never allied with Mag because of RP reasons. I thought we went through this and the Maeve brand thing before, and how it has consistently been a part of Glom's diplomacy. Is it unfortunate? Yes, I don't make a secret of Lerad's preference for friendly relationships with Mag, but if you asked him to vote on giving up about the brand, he'll say no ten times out of ten. Furthermore, I don't think Svorai or Tacita before her ever tried to make Mag a vassal, literally or figuratively. I say "I don't think" to be polite - I actually mean "hell no, they didn't." I'm also pretty sure Arcanis didn't either.
The shift-in-alliance decisions in Glom were partly due to a couple of big combatants going inactive (no more antagonists from the POV of other orgs) and a few other active RP people also going off (I miss Svo and Taci) but mostly due to the eaf. Obviously, enemying Gaudiguchians and Mags who want to kill fae to get at the new event is going to have consequences diplomatically, but Glom wasn't going to just let that pass. I'm surprised people are saying its a diplomatically bad move... when it would look pretty much ludicrous for Glom to say "Oh yeah, go ahead and slaughter them fae" in order to keep an alliance going. If anything, the fact that Glom didn't outright declare war at the first fae death was bordering on being unreasonably out-of-character for the org. The fact that "cooperative" relations lasted as long as they did in that period and that Glom is still on speaking terms with Gaudi/Mag is a testament to how much Glom stretched their RP in order to maintain advantageous relations. If Glom had swallowed any more of their pride, it would have been pretty much fully OOC at that point, and a lot of Glommers would have been very very disgusted, myself included. The eaf incident was a very big deal.
NAP with Seren was also mostly due to that. Neither Seren nor Glom want to ally with each other, but where threats to the fae are concerned, they've always been reluctantly in agreement. From the game's very conception till now, or at least, from when I was playing till now. I doubt anyone in Seren wants to move toward a formal alliance, NAP or not. That would be pretty out-of-character for both orgs as well. Unless something drastic like Xion came up again, it would probably take a very big amount of dragging with iron chains to get both sides to agree to a formal alliance (if you can call that an alliance).
Whether Glom has NAPs right now actually doesn't matter. There's not enough combatants in Glom to raid anyone, and not enough combatants in Glom to defend from any raids - nine times out of ten there won't be defenders because they simply won't be online. Glom can go to war with the whole basin right now... and nothing will change in terms of everyone's gameplay. Which makes the NAPs and friendly relations pretty much a stroke of genius. The little newbies in Glom can grow up and learn without getting harassed, everyone else gets as much interaction out of Glom as they would have anyway... win-win.
Overall I think you made lucid, logical arguments throughout. I'd presume that most people would agree with the larger points and I doubt many would fault the logic of Glom doing a NAP from a practical point of view.
However, dragging Mag over coals as Lavinya put it when you had a decent weight in members and combatants only to form a NAP with Serenwilde when you're on the downswing does indeed make Glomdoring's RP looks shoddy, weak, and makes the entire org look like a chump.
"...testament to how much Glom stretched their RP in order to maintain advantageous relations." History has shown Glom's RP to circle around being selfish and/or focused on what's best for themselves, so how much of a stretch was it exactly? ----------------------------------- I suppose I should put a player secret in here too eh!
I have sworn off raiding, jumping people, fighting in neutral territory, and such for at least a couple OOC years. He misses the skirmishes and fighting, and camaraderie that comes from it. On the flip side, he has been greatly enjoying the unadulterated freedoms of being able to go anywhere and do anything (except Celest, no one likes rotting fish stink). Not that he was really hassled before, but being forgotten by former enemies has been nice.
I often struggle with his image and legacy; more specifically, the rampaging giant kick you in the face & cut your head off guy versus the big helpful teddy bear that is probably just me leaking into the character. Maybe he likes the duality. Maybe he likes surprising people and upending their assumptions.
I really enjoy reading combat logs where people win, even if it's against citymates.
But what about logs where people lose? I'm sure those make up just as many logs as the logs where people win.
I think I'm going to start a thread where I beg people for dropboxes of their combat logs. I just love reading them and living vicariously through you lot!
Overall I think you made lucid, logical arguments throughout. I'd presume that most people would agree with the larger points and I doubt many would fault the logic of Glom doing a NAP from a practical point of view.
However, dragging Mag over coals as Lavinya put it when you had a decent weight in members and combatants only to form a NAP with Serenwilde when you're on the downswing does indeed make Glomdoring's RP looks shoddy, weak, and makes the entire org look like a chump.
"...testament to how much Glom stretched their RP in order to maintain advantageous relations." History has shown Glom's RP to circle around being selfish and/or focused on what's best for themselves, so how much of a stretch was it exactly?
Glomdoring forming an NAP with Serenwilde was, as I already mentioned, a formal extension that largely led out of the eaf affair. Pretty sure I mentioned this in my post. "mostly due to the eaf" <-- right there. The eaf affair was pretty much a Glomdoring RP thing. As a player and PKer, you bet I would like to continue playing with Mag and Gaudi as allies (which, defacto, we were, treaty or no treaty) because I love their skills and my friends are in those orgs too. Obviously I can't speak for every single Glomdoring player, but I'd be surprised if people were more interested in buddying up to Seren than Mag. But we threw a fuss despite that precisely because we didn't want to just gift-wrap up all the fae-based RP we had and chuck it into Ironbeard's rejected presents bin.
Here, let me make it clearer to you: if Glomdoring had snubbed Magnagora like Mag was a despised weakling because Mag once tortured the fae queen, and then, years of that later, ignored the mutilating of the fae and tried to buddy buddy up with them simply because Mag was getting stronger and Glom getting weaker... now THAT would make Glom's RP look weak and make "the entire org look like a chump". I also won't speak for Mag players, but if I were on the receiving end of RP'd political tension... and then started getting bootlicked regardless of RP and for no other reason than because I was getting stronger, I would be pretty pissed off, myself.
My comment about stretching RP also refers explicitly to that. It was more specifically about how long the Gaudi-Glom treaty lasted despite all the disagreements about the eaf that were had. Less about Mag, because we didn't have a treaty, so it is an argument for those two orgs only to a limited extent, and also because, like Lavinya said, Mag apparently didn't care by that point, anyway.
Every org in this game has a self-serving RP, too. I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. History has shown Glom's RP "to circle around being selfish and/or focused on what's best for themselves"? Well, yeah, and every other org too. If you really insist on coming up with a ranking of "officially selfish" RP in orgs, sure, Glom could have a good fight for the most selfish seat... with Mag. Like I also said, snobbery is a shared RP trait between all the orgs, these two just happen to have it more openly. Of course, as a disclaimer, I'm aware that Lavinya says that Mag has been moving away from that gradually for a long while now, and I'm not going to doubt her words. But RP-wise, it's not like Glom has a monopoly on the "self-advancement at the expense of others" storyline. In actual practice, as a game, orgs do help one-another when "on the same side", I know myself and many Glom pkers were more than happy to receive and give it.
That's a lot of verbose regurgitation on the matter. I offered my personal opinion in regards to two very particular points. Rather simply, the former is pointing out, from an obviously different perspective than yours, that NAP made Glom look incredibly weak given current status of Glom's martial power. Currently, it is an objective fact to claim such status. If Glom had not been so abrasive and uncompromising in stronger times, I think others would not focus in on the contrast as much.
The latter is pointing out a glaring hyperbole. You made it sound like Glom is the paragon of generosity and flexibility, when in reality it's nothing different than Glom has always done- whatever it wants to further its own ends. Also, the "Well, yeah, and every other org too" argument is moot and poorly constructed. I have not rejected or denied what other orgs may or may not be doing.
I like watching people I dislike, including city mates who have pissed me off, dying on aethersight. It's like a sort of retro-active retribution. You called me an asshole, and karma decided you had to die 5 times in a row.
I like watching people I dislike, including city mates who have pissed me off, dying on aethersight. It's like a sort of retro-active retribution. You called me an asshole, and karma decided you had to die 5 times in a row.
Gets me through the day.
I not only do that, but I sometimes will oocly congratulate an enemy via tell for killing someone I don't like or beating them in great hunts etc. (Just ask @Kelly or @Avurekhos! >_> )
That's a lot of verbose regurgitation on the matter. I offered my personal opinion in regards to two very particular points. Rather simply, the former is pointing out, from an obviously different perspective than yours, that NAP made Glom look incredibly weak given current status of Glom's martial power. Currently, it is an objective fact to claim such status. If Glom had not been so abrasive and uncompromising in stronger times, I think others would not focus in on the contrast as much.
The latter is pointing out a glaring hyperbole. You made it sound like Glom is the paragon of generosity and flexibility, when in reality it's nothing different than Glom has always done- whatever it wants to further its own ends. Also, the "Well, yeah, and every other org too" argument is moot and poorly constructed. I have not rejected or denied what other orgs may or may not be doing.
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Uh, there's a slight discrepancy I'm a little confused about. When you say Glom is weak with this line:
"... does indeed make Glomdoring's RP looks shoddy, weak ..."
I interpreted it as you saying that Glom's "RP" seems "weak". Am I picking up on the wrong words, or reading them wrongly? My argument was about how Glom has been consistent in its RP. The "contrast" between Glom's diplomatic actions when it was stronger and currently is RP-driven - ie, there has been no change in it. My argument was about how Glom has been RPing (diplomatically), based on the same RP concepts previously as it is now, still. So I believed that my argument is in line with your perspective about RP. If I'm misunderstanding, I apologize. I wasn't trying to dislodge your argument by talking about something else.
If, in fact, you're just saying it makes Glom look "weak" as in a PK capability... well, that's the truth. Glom doesn't have enough activity to contest successfully in larger (or even smaller) conflict events at the moment. I'm sure the lack of Glom presence shows that well enough. I don't think diplomatic actions, either in snubbing Mag previously or in a NAP with Seren show or doesn't show that.
Lastly, I most certainly did not put Glom on a pedestal in terms of generosity while putting down other orgs as being selfish. I've even said that being selfish (I personally would prefer a nicer term, like "self-advancment", as I used previously) is not neccesarily a bad thing in an RP sense. Glom has always done whatever it wants to further its own ends in RP.
If, again, I was misunderstanding, and you're talking about the PK and conflicts like revolts, then it's another matter. Personally, I've always tried to reciprocate favors done by whatever org Glom is allied to politically. If Mag (or any player, actually) has the impression that Glom PKers are selfish and hoarding conflict rewards for themselves, that's unfortunate.
We ought to just chop off Maeve's hand/arm with the brand, guys. I think the admins not removing it YET is because of Future Plans looming in the distance. Who knows, removing the brand someday might lead to the release of Gun Mages/Slingers.
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
@Alaksanteri, I hate to be -that- guy, but why exactly did you disagree? Pectus is most definitely Tremula's great-great grandparent through Enoch. (Pectus -> Zada -> Shiawase -> Enoch -> Trem)
Ah, good. For a second I was confused at why you were complaining about Glom's actions as if they were unreasonable and specifically out to screw with Mag with your original post, when it clearly wasn't the case.
It is unreasonable to demand the impossible. There were also aspects of unreasonableness with regard to the eaf. A certain amount of unreasonableness from all parties is to be expected. I get that you used 'and' and agree.
What I found a bit baffling about the eaf was the lack of good faith to get people to even see Gloms side.
I hate seeing my essence going down. I just want to inflate it to infinity.
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
@Alaksanteri, I hate to be -that- guy, but why exactly did you disagree? Pectus is most definitely Tremula's great-great grandparent through Enoch. (Pectus -> Zada -> Shiawase -> Enoch -> Trem)
A mistake where I might have clicked on the wrong thing while scrolling probably. I am not going to get involved in your twisted family affairs...
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Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
Check out the family tree. Go on.
But it's kind of an odd case. You normally can't go marry your cousin, sorry.
However, dragging Mag over coals as Lavinya put it when you had a decent weight in members and combatants only to form a NAP with Serenwilde when you're on the downswing does indeed make Glomdoring's RP looks shoddy, weak, and makes the entire org look like a chump.
"...testament to how much Glom stretched their RP in order to maintain advantageous relations." History has shown Glom's RP to circle around being selfish and/or focused on what's best for themselves, so how much of a stretch was it exactly?
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I suppose I should put a player secret in here too eh!
I have sworn off raiding, jumping people, fighting in neutral territory, and such for at least a couple OOC years. He misses the skirmishes and fighting, and camaraderie that comes from it. On the flip side, he has been greatly enjoying the unadulterated freedoms of being able to go anywhere and do anything (except Celest, no one likes rotting fish stink). Not that he was really hassled before, but being forgotten by former enemies has been nice.
I often struggle with his image and legacy; more specifically, the rampaging giant kick you in the face & cut your head off guy versus
the big helpful teddy bear that is probably just me leaking into the character. Maybe he likes the duality. Maybe he likes surprising people and upending their assumptions.
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Here, let me make it clearer to you: if Glomdoring had snubbed Magnagora like Mag was a despised weakling because Mag once tortured the fae queen, and then, years of that later, ignored the mutilating of the fae and tried to buddy buddy up with them simply because Mag was getting stronger and Glom getting weaker... now THAT would make Glom's RP look weak and make "the entire org look like a chump". I also won't speak for Mag players, but if I were on the receiving end of RP'd political tension... and then started getting bootlicked regardless of RP and for no other reason than because I was getting stronger, I would be pretty pissed off, myself.
My comment about stretching RP also refers explicitly to that. It was more specifically about how long the Gaudi-Glom treaty lasted despite all the disagreements about the eaf that were had. Less about Mag, because we didn't have a treaty, so it is an argument for those two orgs only to a limited extent, and also because, like Lavinya said, Mag apparently didn't care by that point, anyway.
Every org in this game has a self-serving RP, too. I'm not sure if it's a bad thing. History has shown Glom's RP "to circle around being selfish and/or focused on what's best for themselves"? Well, yeah, and every other org too. If you really insist on coming up with a ranking of "officially selfish" RP in orgs, sure, Glom could have a good fight for the most selfish seat... with Mag. Like I also said, snobbery is a shared RP trait between all the orgs, these two just happen to have it more openly. Of course, as a disclaimer, I'm aware that Lavinya says that Mag has been moving away from that gradually for a long while now, and I'm not going to doubt her words. But RP-wise, it's not like Glom has a monopoly on the "self-advancement at the expense of others" storyline. In actual practice, as a game, orgs do help one-another when "on the same side", I know myself and many Glom pkers were more than happy to receive and give it.
The latter is pointing out a glaring hyperbole. You made it sound like Glom is the paragon of generosity and flexibility, when in reality it's nothing different than Glom has always done- whatever it wants to further its own ends. Also, the "Well, yeah, and every other org too" argument is moot and poorly constructed. I have not rejected or denied what other orgs may or may not be doing.
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Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
What I found a bit baffling about the eaf was the lack of good faith to get people to even see Gloms side.