The key thing about Lillie speaking so timidly is because, at the core of her RP, she IS timid, and expresses herself better through writing and ritual than simply talking. I mean, geez, for the first few IC years she existed she didn't say anything at all (and I honestly wouldn't mind/have been considering going back to that). That's why I write so much stuff in her name. If you don't like the stutter, then go on down to the library and BROWSE AUTHOR LILLIE.
The Necromentate's mind opens to you, and a grotesque, demonic figure appears in your mind's eye, screaming in torment: "THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora. A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all! Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
I feel I'm going to enter a level of rude when I continue. I don't care about your books, they aren't going to solve the fact that you continue to speak where we all have to hear you and those include 4 um's and countless stutters. It's unbearable to read anything you put out to my screen and I'm not even close to being alone. Someone actually PROVIDED you with a possibe solution to cleaning it up by using the emote say's, and I just had a longer argumenet with someone who simply told me it was a speech impediment instead. Magnagoran society at it's core is ruthless, harsh, we are ment to be the evil city. New players have softened us up entirely too much to the point where we're like 'ohhhh nooo don't discourage them, they'll leave'. At a rate I can understand this, however we're moving further away from the root of the ORIGINAL Concept that was born in year 1 where Mag would just kill each other for -fun-. Now it's illegal to kick someone that's your friend!
The only thing that I ever take issue with is if a stutterer stutters over an aether.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I agree that stuttering shouldn't be done over an aether as it's a mental channel. The only reason I persist in doing it is to piss people off and watch hilarious overreactions because there was a time when I did have Lillie only stutter in person (literal years ago in Serenwilde) and anytime someone met him in person rather than hearing him over the aether they'd assume something terrible had happened and I'd get bothered with 'why are you stuttering now when you weren't before? Are you afraid of me personally? I never did anything to you!'
It just feels more consistent this way; I really have no idea why it's so completely and totally unbearable to a select few people.
The Necromentate's mind opens to you, and a grotesque, demonic figure appears in your mind's eye, screaming in torment: "THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora. A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all! Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
It is simply annoying. Everyone has their own threshold of what irritates them, and different things can trigger different reactions in different people. Nothing to be confused about - if you're not going to be perfectly simple and understandable by "normal" societal standards, then expect backlash from certain quarters. (In fact, expect backlash even if you're perfectly simple and understandable by societal standards.)
That said, whether or not stuttering in real life or in a game irritates you as a person out of the game, doesn't mean you have a right to persecute them in the game. It's a very simple excercise in separating IC from OOC. Magnagora, "ruthless" as it may be, is not an entity that exists to persecute stuttering, no matter how irritating you find it on a personal level. If your character finds it irritating as well, sure, go ahead and express annoyance or hostility. Whatever. I doubt anyone would care much. However, bleeding your own likes and dislikes and trying to conflate that with Magnagora's likes and dislikes is, ironically, not logical. "Magnagora was ruthless, WHY ARE WE ACCEPTING STUTTERERS?!" simply makes no sense - whether or not you like stuttering doesn't matter to Magnagora. Stuttering has never come up as a problem in Magnagora's history in any way shape or form. Feel free to find anything in the lore that contradicts me. (Note that you can substitute "magnagora" with any of the game's orgs. I highly doubt any org sees stuttering as a crime. Except maybe the bardic guilds. Maybe.)
If your character is in a position of power in Magnagora (and also hates stuttering enough to want to persecute it), feel free to try and make it a law or whatever. That's entirely up to you. Whether or not you meet resistance or agreement in the political arena with that proposal is also entirely up to the playerbase. You never know, you could go down in Lusternian history as the person to introduce stutter discrimination in Magnagora on top of its other discriminatory policies.
If your character is not in a position of power, then... well, suck it up.
For me, it's painful because a) it makes you look like you're terrified all the time, which does not represent any of the tenets of the demon lords well at all (it's almost a mockery if you ask me), and since you're no longer GR1 or CR1, you really shouldn't be deathly afraid (a cautious nervousness of the people that might squish you makes more sense) of the ideals you are supposedly upholding to achieve your ranks (but then when family favour you up even when you were too scared to touch the Megalith, I guess we don't need to uphold any of the city/guild ideals of strength and power and overcoming weakness and fear and changing to be greater. The taint is supposed to make us more aggressive and hungry, living in it, you'd have to be feeling it too)
and mostly b) because it's a pain to read. As in, it takes longer to read and process exactly what you are trying to say, and in a text game, it's kinda frustrating. You can portray your speech impediment as was suggested by Tacita, giving you the rp inflection you want without making it hard to read.
Lerad I think you're missing the point. It's the timidness we don't accept
(Magnagora): Lillie says, "Um, p-please note that, um, b-Brother Esca and I w-will be p-performing a r-ritual shortly. If, um, if you'd like to attend, y-you need only t-to prepare by w-writing a secret, a scheme, or s-something similar upon a scrap of paper. I-it will be ready soon."
On the subject of raves, I managed to write and do a cool ritual after speaking with Baalphegar.
The Necromentate's mind opens to you, and a grotesque, demonic figure appears in your mind's eye, screaming in torment: "THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora. A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all! Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
If you don't like it, that's cool. Whatever. But you don't have to be a jerk about it OOC. If you don't want to read it, don't. If you don't want to interact with it, don't.
There's a specific character whose speech patterns I absolutely LOATHE on an ooc level. You know what I do? I don't interact with her.
Stop complaining about how another person chooses to RP. It's not actually doing you any harm, you're just pissy because somebody else has a character shtick that you don't like and find personally irritating.
It's like if somebody came to forums and started crying (yes crying, because that's what all this looks like to me) about how, for example, Munsia's character's hunger and lust for power is annoying and the way she does -insert anything, really- here should be done differently because -I the player- get irritated seeing it.
Do I particularly enjoy dealing with a stutterer? No. Do I admire Lillie's player for sticking with this character trait for 3 RL years, instead of dropping it after a few days because he got bored? You bet your butt I do. It's that sort of dedication, and consistancy that makes RP such a joy. Unique characters, unusual situations, just awesome all around.
Deal with it IC, or don't deal with it at all.
Get over yourselves. He's not playing to please you, he's playing to have fun. And if having Lillie have a stutter makes it enjoyable for him, that he -takes the time to write out every freaking time-, then that's all that really matters on an OOC level.
A whisper from the trees and a frosty presence tells you, secretly, "But you are strong, little
flower, and wise." The voice shifts and expands, becoming more real. "And everything you just said
in the ritual made me feel safer. You should, too."
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I thought it had been discovered that he had someone doing his talking for him over the radio?
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I agree that stuttering shouldn't be done over an aether as it's a mental channel.
I feel like this is one of those mistakes that's become true through repetition, but no, aethers are audible. You can hear them. The histories make very clear that there are sounds on them, that they're like radio. They're also still blocked by deafness (unless that changed since I went dormant).
Not that I'm arguing for stuttering on them, or, gods forbid, accents like Klia's inexplicable h-dropping thing. Just saying, this is a bit of canon that has probably been lost, but whose intent was clear.
You all managed to turn a raves thread into a complaint thread... Let's get back on track. I'll start: Mother Night is superior to all other spirits!
I miss Night and all her shadowy goodness. I was just reading through some old SD news posts. Gawd, @Astraea and I were some snooty, manipulative bitches. Rave for snooty, manipulative bitches!
You all managed to turn a raves thread into a complaint thread... Let's get back on track. I'll start: Isune is superior to all other gods!
Fixed.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
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"THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora.
A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all!
Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
It just feels more consistent this way; I really have no idea why it's so completely and totally unbearable to a select few people.
"THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora.
A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all!
Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
That said, whether or not stuttering in real life or in a game irritates you as a person out of the game, doesn't mean you have a right to persecute them in the game. It's a very simple excercise in separating IC from OOC. Magnagora, "ruthless" as it may be, is not an entity that exists to persecute stuttering, no matter how irritating you find it on a personal level. If your character finds it irritating as well, sure, go ahead and express annoyance or hostility. Whatever. I doubt anyone would care much. However, bleeding your own likes and dislikes and trying to conflate that with Magnagora's likes and dislikes is, ironically, not logical. "Magnagora was ruthless, WHY ARE WE ACCEPTING STUTTERERS?!" simply makes no sense - whether or not you like stuttering doesn't matter to Magnagora. Stuttering has never come up as a problem in Magnagora's history in any way shape or form. Feel free to find anything in the lore that contradicts me. (Note that you can substitute "magnagora" with any of the game's orgs. I highly doubt any org sees stuttering as a crime. Except maybe the bardic guilds. Maybe.)
If your character is in a position of power in Magnagora (and also hates stuttering enough to want to persecute it), feel free to try and make it a law or whatever. That's entirely up to you. Whether or not you meet resistance or agreement in the political arena with that proposal is also entirely up to the playerbase. You never know, you could go down in Lusternian history as the person to introduce stutter discrimination in Magnagora on top of its other discriminatory policies.
If your character is not in a position of power, then... well, suck it up.
and mostly b) because it's a pain to read. As in, it takes longer to read and process exactly what you are trying to say, and in a text game, it's kinda frustrating. You can portray your speech impediment as was suggested by Tacita, giving you the rp inflection you want without making it hard to read.
"THE DEMON LORDS CAN NEVER TRULY BE KILLED - GREAT IS THEIR POWER."
You shock a platinum-coloured geomycus with tales of terror bestowed on villages who don't follow Magnagora.
A platinum-coloured geomycus slaps her knee and declares that, by the gods, Ptoma Hive should follow the Grand Empire of Magnagora after all!
Shouts rise up from Ptoma Hive, as its denizens loudly pledge themselves to the Grand Empire of Magnagora.
06/30/2014 19:37 Silvanus channels the power of the Megalith of Doom for you, stripping you of your Vernal Ascendant status.......bastard!!
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Needs more snowflake diversity.