That would be perfectly valid if we were allowed to share all the details about our roles, which we aren't. And as I got a warning message from Kiradawea, I nearly broke rules by only barely changing enough about the power message I got from her, I nearly perfectly recapped what she was. And what sort of mafia would have an investigator, a tracker, and a watcher? There are no offencive powers there, save a wild Tarkenton thrown in (and who knows what with Enyalida [since we can't know what or who she was]). It doesn't make a terribly large amount of sense.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Saran and Celina also defended Riluna, who was town. So not that perfect.
well yeah you would, because it makes you look good, but it was crazy and I was at work
Anyway,
Here's my latest thought after thinking on it for a time.
Tarkenton's power was to avoid -all- protections, roleblockings, whatever etc. His role statement after being lynched stated explicitly 'all' yet when Ssaliss was attacked, it went through the jailer protection, but not some other special power? That should be included in 'all' I think, and given that, Ssaliss should be dead unless he's converted or something along those lines. Something about that story just seems off to me, so thinking on it more. I'm thinking he's definitely suspicious.
Anyway - everyone at this point has a plausible role claim, we just need to weed out the bad guys. If we're not voting Tremula, then we need to vote someone else.
Ssaliss seems dirty to me (so does Saran with all his ramblings, but Celina think's he is town and my crazy theory holds very little water)
Vote: Ssaliss
Who else will get on board? I'm counting on your Shaddus
"'Cause the fighting don't stop till I walk in." -Synkarin's Lament.
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Idkkkkkkkk I still feel weirder about Tremula than Ssaliss. Why would we need two sets of investigative powers, unless Mafia has an investigator too? Since it's not about alignment, but powers, that information would still be useful to scum. But since the vision-giver relies on trusting a random townie (who could be scum, who knows?) I am more inclined to believe Siam is town than I am to believe that Tremula is.
I've believed Ssaliss for most of the game, right or wrong. And since he was targeted for a kill, and the flavour text supported his explanation of how that kill went down, I really don't think he's scumsville.
Since Celina is willing to trust Saran, I'll just Unvote and hop back on my previous hunch and go with Vote Tremula. Not because she frightens me, but because I don't see the point in having two investigators, and I'm making a 50/50 decision on which one I think is the scummiest.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Everiine said: The reason population is low isn't because there are too many orgs. It's because so many facets of the game are outright broken and protected by those who benefit from it being that way. An overabundance of gimmicks (including game-breaking ones), artifacts that destroy any concept of balance, blatant pay-to-win features, and an obsession with convenience that makes few things actually worthwhile all contribute to the game's sad decline.
I feel it was a random roll, where Kira picked out of a hat with 'investigative, kill, protective, etc.' on roles. And Siam's is a bit more roundabout than mine. Still, if for no other reason than showing that I'm willing to move this along, I'll Vote: Ssaliss, instead of the nonsensical (and now impossible) Tarkenton vote I've been doing all the other times.
Honestly, there's very little I can say here about myself that I haven't said already.
One thing of note though: Scum simply cannot kill me through any other means than through lynching. That much has been proven.
It's also interesting how Synkarin is pushing for lynching me (who is pretty much definitely not scum), rather than someone we essentially don't know anything at all about (Shaddus and Ayisdra). Yes, Synkarin is not scum, I know that. That doesn't exclude that he's a third party though.
Further, one thing I noticed re: Tremula:
On night one, you scanned Celina on the computer terminal. That apparently counted as an action on her when it comes to Sarans power. On night three, you did the same on me.
What's interesting here is that you were able to do that at all, given that I jailed myself. If, as you claim, your power only comes from accessing a computer, then it wouldn't have counted as visiting Celina. If your power counted as visiting Celina, then you wouldn't have been able to scan me.
Further, you picked the two people we already know the most about: Celina said what she was when she roleclaimed, as did I.
Lastly, I find it extremely odd that you should have an investigator power that apparently can't be used every night, seemingly at random.
For that purpose, I will Vote: Tremula
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SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
I feel it was a random roll, where Kira picked out of a hat with 'investigative, kill, protective, etc.' on roles. And Siam's is a bit more roundabout than mine. Still, if for no other reason than showing that I'm willing to move this along, I'll Vote: Ssaliss, instead of the nonsensical (and now impossible) Tarkenton vote I've been doing all the other times.
Unrelated to anything else, I am positive that Kira would never put together a random Mafia set-up. Girlfriend knows way too much about the Mafia metagame. I am 99.99% sure she put tons of thought into each power she chose to put into this game.
And if there are two investigators, I don't think that's an "oopsie."
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
It does count as a visit, and much as you would block anyone approaching you, I was blocked from receiving the information by receiving long strings of gibberish with occasional flavour text thrown in. It literally looks like:
And under a traditional game of mafia, by turn four we wouldn't know everyone's role. You all play extremely aggressively, but somehow that's my fault? My power is done by accessing a computer, it's not seemingly at random - it's reading what the game-master posts.
Yes, I picked Celina, because I visited Celina, which has been wanting confirmation that I provided. I provided information we had, yes, but I provided it to a degree that it was not provided before. If she looks at her message from Kiradawea at the beginning of the game, my claim is extremely similar. Why? Because it's the same that's on the company's stuff.
It's odd yes, but so is being so hyped up on coffee that you can avoid death and having a hidden power that lets you not die after you've already got the ability to jail yourself every night and indefinitely protect yourself. J/S. Keeping my vote.
@Sylandra fair enough point. I suppose it makes more sense when you have the entire list of characters to look at from the GM's perspective, not just ours.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Honestly, there's very little I can say here about myself that I haven't said already.
One thing of note though: Scum simply cannot kill me through any other means than through lynching. That much has been proven.
I don't believe it really has been proven, in fact, I feel the opposite has been proven. We know definitively that Tarkenton was able to bypass -all- protections. The computer printout of his role literally said bypass all protections, roleblocks, whatever. The other view is us just taking your word on it.
So if he was able to bypass all protections, why aren't you dead? That seems off to me. And scummy. I don't know if you were actually converted or if it was just some giant tale to get us on board, but I'm ready to find out.
As for Tremula - I really think he just wrongly attributed the garbled message to Enyalida's virus rather than your role protection, which is what gave him the garbled message. I believe the day before he investigated you was the when you came out and said you were the jailer, so it makes sense that he's verifying that information. Celina was investigated before we knew her role and his only other opportunity was blocked, and evidence backs it up (Saran seeing two people acting on Celina, Siam and now Tremula, not refuted etc.
I feel it was a random roll, where Kira picked out of a hat with 'investigative, kill, protective, etc.' on roles. And Siam's is a bit more roundabout than mine. Still, if for no other reason than showing that I'm willing to move this along, I'll Vote: Ssaliss, instead of the nonsensical (and now impossible) Tarkenton vote I've been doing all the other times.
Unrelated to anything else, I am positive that Kira would never put together a random Mafia set-up. Girlfriend knows way too much about the Mafia metagame. I am 99.99% sure she put tons of thought into each power she chose to put into this game.
And if there are two investigators, I don't think that's an "oopsie."
I use an RNG to randomly pick roles out of a list. Then I throw it all out and confirm the most important characters for the setting with the most sensible roles for them, then I build up around that. Then I throw that away and use a super secret generation method that no one can ever know about because it's secret.
Or maybe that's all a lie. Who knows. I'm not gonna share the specifics until the game's over.
Speaking of. Is it just me or were you guys more active while waiting for Tremula, than now that she's made her post? Watching this game has made me really want to play it myself.
Everyone is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.
Honestly, there's very little I can say here about myself that I haven't said already.
One thing of note though: Scum simply cannot kill me through any other means than through lynching. That much has been proven.
I don't believe it really has been proven, in fact, I feel the opposite has been proven. We know definitively that Tarkenton was able to bypass -all- protections. The computer printout of his role literally said bypass all protections, roleblocks, whatever. The other view is us just taking your word on it.
So if he was able to bypass all protections, why aren't you dead? That seems off to me. And scummy. I don't know if you were actually converted or if it was just some giant tale to get us on board, but I'm ready to find out.
As for Tremula - I really think he just wrongly attributed the garbled message to Enyalida's virus rather than your role protection, which is what gave him the garbled message. I believe the day before he investigated you was the when you came out and said you were the jailer, so it makes sense that he's verifying that information. Celina was investigated before we knew her role and his only other opportunity was blocked, and evidence backs it up (Saran seeing two people acting on Celina, Siam and now Tremula, not refuted etc.
Trust me, I'm as surprised as you are at finding myself alive. It was a power I didn't even know I had until it triggered. I can't really say much more about it; there was a fight (which there never was before), and I was alive at the end of it, even though by all rights I shouldn't be.
Also, you pretty much just proved the point yourself. Tarkenton had that power, and even then it was a one-shot. There's no way two scum would have the same power, so at this point, they can't get through my protection. Thus, it's proven that scum can't kill me unless they lynch me. For that reason, I'm fairly certain that at least one, if not two, people voting for me right now are scum.
What's also puzzling is how people seem to basically shrug off Azureus having a mongoose, when it's already been pointed out that mongeese (?) and ermines are related. Also, have we actually been able to confirm that he actually have that power?
Further, we have two people right now that we essentially know nothing about that people also completely ignore, instead assuming they're town just because they're brothers (which, by the way, is also something that we only have their words on).
At this point, though, I'm honestly not sure what else I can say. You already know my power, you already know what I've done, you already know what happened to me. What else is there? What can I do to make you see that I'm not a follower of Ermine?
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Fallout 4 so good.
Ssaliss does raise a good point. The brothers thing is not inherently townie, and could be a cover for just chatting at night a la mafia
As for Ssaliss himself, that's the thing. There's nothing you can do outside of not protecting yourself every night, this is the issue I raised. We literally cannot confirm you.
Also, hold on Synkarin... Are you essentially saying I'm scummy because the scum tried to kill me? Because that's what it looks like to me. The scum used their one-shot power to pierce my protection to try to kill me, which I survived, which... somehow makes me scum.
And if you're trying to argue the conversion-thing again: Well, let's do some math. The scum had at least three people to start with (judging by Tarkenton being the third in command, or however it was phrased). This means there's at least two of the original left, to our eleven. First, let's assume they managed to convert one person each night: That would put them at six to our eleven, which means they would've won. They haven't, so they haven't converted one per night. If we assume they have converted one person every other night, then they're at four people (the original two, plus two more). This would mean we're at lylo (they have four, we have eleven, kill me and we have ten to their four, and then they convert one during the night; they have five, and we have ten, and they win). A lylo has not been called, so we're not at lylo. Thus, the only case where they'd convert people and we're not at lylo is if we assume they had only three people to start with, and they only converted a single person over these four nights.
Also, as a general practice, cults start out with a single leader, and expands from there. To have three people in a cult to start with is... well, let's just call it extremely uncommon.
"'Cause the fighting don't stop till I walk in." -Synkarin's Lament.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Would Azereus's mongoose be that obvious of a clue? And would he claim it?
At this point, with everyone claiming, I think I am leaning more towards claims that can be disguises for other things. This leaves Ssaliss, Shaddus, and Ayisdra to me. Ayisdra being the least active of the group.
"'Cause the fighting don't stop till I walk in." -Synkarin's Lament.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Because I'm an i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-e-n-t woman.
I'm torn on Ssaliss, he's definitely suspicious and part of that is his own doing. He made it clear he was only going to protect himself, putting him in an awkward situation where we can't ever confirm his role. If I were scum with the ability to hide my role forever, I wouldn't release that info, making myself look all kinds of shady.
IF he turns out to be town, we really can't undersell the value of a person in the town that is immune to town kills. The question for me is what do we do with him tonight, rather that just lynch him to find out.
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SylandraJoin Queue for Mafia GamesThe Last Mafia Game
I do harbor some suspicions about the kitsunes. It's possible that they not only talk at night, but have additional powers they aren't sharing. It doesn't necessarily mean they're scum but I wouldn't be surprised if they had some hidden night action they're not telling us about.
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Also consider Luce and Azureus. Their powers overlap as protectors, or am I mistaken in that?
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Wasn't Luce a one-off Governor role? I'm frankly a bit confused by Azureus's claim but maybe I'm a poor reader. Can't he make someone immune to all night actions?
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Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Possible then that Tremula and Enyalida were fractionally opposed, and Enyalida's power directly interfered with it intentionally.
/ponders
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Tremula: (1) Sylandra
Celina: (1) Saran
Ssaliss: (3) Synkarin, Shaddus, Tremula
With 11 around, it's 6 to lynch.
One thing of note though: Scum simply cannot kill me through any other means than through lynching. That much has been proven.
It's also interesting how Synkarin is pushing for lynching me (who is pretty much definitely not scum), rather than someone we essentially don't know anything at all about (Shaddus and Ayisdra). Yes, Synkarin is not scum, I know that. That doesn't exclude that he's a third party though.
Further, one thing I noticed re: Tremula:
On night one, you scanned Celina on the computer terminal. That apparently counted as an action on her when it comes to Sarans power. On night three, you did the same on me.
What's interesting here is that you were able to do that at all, given that I jailed myself. If, as you claim, your power only comes from accessing a computer, then it wouldn't have counted as visiting Celina. If your power counted as visiting Celina, then you wouldn't have been able to scan me.
Further, you picked the two people we already know the most about: Celina said what she was when she roleclaimed, as did I.
Lastly, I find it extremely odd that you should have an investigator power that apparently can't be used every night, seemingly at random.
For that purpose, I will Vote: Tremula
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
Ixion tells you, "// I don't think anyone else had a clue, amazing form."
I don't believe it really has been proven, in fact, I feel the opposite has been proven. We know definitively that Tarkenton was able to bypass -all- protections. The computer printout of his role literally said bypass all protections, roleblocks, whatever. The other view is us just taking your word on it. So if he was able to bypass all protections, why aren't you dead? That seems off to me. And scummy. I don't know if you were actually converted or if it was just some giant tale to get us on board, but I'm ready to find out. As for Tremula - I really think he just wrongly attributed the garbled message to Enyalida's virus rather than your role protection, which is what gave him the garbled message. I believe the day before he investigated you was the when you came out and said you were the jailer, so it makes sense that he's verifying that information. Celina was investigated before we knew her role and his only other opportunity was blocked, and evidence backs it up (Saran seeing two people acting on Celina, Siam and now Tremula, not refuted etc.
Vote: Ssaliss
Or maybe that's all a lie. Who knows. I'm not gonna share the specifics until the game's over.
Speaking of. Is it just me or were you guys more active while waiting for Tremula, than now that she's made her post? Watching this game has made me really want to play it myself.
Trust me, I'm as surprised as you are at finding myself alive. It was a power I didn't even know I had until it triggered. I can't really say much more about it; there was a fight (which there never was before), and I was alive at the end of it, even though by all rights I shouldn't be.
Also, you pretty much just proved the point yourself. Tarkenton had that power, and even then it was a one-shot. There's no way two scum would have the same power, so at this point, they can't get through my protection. Thus, it's proven that scum can't kill me unless they lynch me. For that reason, I'm fairly certain that at least one, if not two, people voting for me right now are scum.
What's also puzzling is how people seem to basically shrug off Azureus having a mongoose, when it's already been pointed out that mongeese (?) and ermines are related. Also, have we actually been able to confirm that he actually have that power?
Further, we have two people right now that we essentially know nothing about that people also completely ignore, instead assuming they're town just because they're brothers (which, by the way, is also something that we only have their words on).
At this point, though, I'm honestly not sure what else I can say. You already know my power, you already know what I've done, you already know what happened to me. What else is there? What can I do to make you see that I'm not a follower of Ermine?
And if you're trying to argue the conversion-thing again: Well, let's do some math. The scum had at least three people to start with (judging by Tarkenton being the third in command, or however it was phrased). This means there's at least two of the original left, to our eleven. First, let's assume they managed to convert one person each night: That would put them at six to our eleven, which means they would've won. They haven't, so they haven't converted one per night. If we assume they have converted one person every other night, then they're at four people (the original two, plus two more). This would mean we're at lylo (they have four, we have eleven, kill me and we have ten to their four, and then they convert one during the night; they have five, and we have ten, and they win). A lylo has not been called, so we're not at lylo. Thus, the only case where they'd convert people and we're not at lylo is if we assume they had only three people to start with, and they only converted a single person over these four nights.
Also, as a general practice, cults start out with a single leader, and expands from there. To have three people in a cult to start with is... well, let's just call it extremely uncommon.