Gods and Monsters mafia. Ratatoskr and Anubis wins!

12324262829

Comments

  • Okay, so let's try to deduce who Vivet's attacker was.

    First, it can't be me, since Dylara already showed that I sent a message to her about Ieptix.
    Second, I think we can assume Vivet didn't attack herself.
    Third, Yavina is safe, since she (assumedly) protected Vivet.
    Both Celina and Ieptix were checked by Vivet, and they both win when all monsters are dead.

    This leaves Silvanus and Dylara.

    The case against Silvanus is a simple one: He's the only monster remaining, outside of Celina.

    The case against Dylara is, perhaps, more complex.

    During the first night, she attacked Luce. He turned out to be a God (or at least a Divine creature, so to speak), so she lost her ability to nightkill (or so she says). During night two, we got our first kill by disappearance.

    Thus, I believe there is a possibility that by attacking and killing Luce, she essentially became a fallen angel, turning into a serial killer or similar.

    This leaves us at either lynching the monster who is very likely to be who he says he is, and whose win condition is backed up by Luce, or lynching the angel, who is, in the end, one of the three archangels. I honestly haven't made up my mind between them yet.

    Now, a few things:

    For full disclosure, my win condition mirrors (I assume) Dylara's, in that I do win when all rebelling monsters are dead. I will, however, win harder if I'm the only angel alive at the end. I'm not sure how much of the above is bias, but I think it makes sense on at least some plane.

    Second, there is a minor case to be made against Celina as well. She was investigated by Vivet after she started losing her powers, so I'm not certain it can be 100% trusted. For now, though, I won't make a very large case against her, but it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand either.
    image
  • Ssaliss said:
    Okay, so let's try to deduce who Vivet's attacker was.

    First, it can't be me, since Dylara already showed that I sent a message to her about Ieptix.
    Second, I think we can assume Vivet didn't attack herself.
    Third, Yavina is safe, since she (assumedly) protected Vivet.
    Both Celina and Ieptix were checked by Vivet, and they both win when all monsters are dead.

    This leaves Silvanus and Dylara.

    The case against Silvanus is a simple one: He's the only monster remaining, outside of Celina.

    The case against Dylara is, perhaps, more complex.

    During the first night, she attacked Luce. He turned out to be a God (or at least a Divine creature, so to speak), so she lost her ability to nightkill (or so she says). During night two, we got our first kill by disappearance.

    Thus, I believe there is a possibility that by attacking and killing Luce, she essentially became a fallen angel, turning into a serial killer or similar.

    This leaves us at either lynching the monster who is very likely to be who he says he is, and whose win condition is backed up by Luce, or lynching the angel, who is, in the end, one of the three archangels. I honestly haven't made up my mind between them yet.

    Now, a few things:

    For full disclosure, my win condition mirrors (I assume) Dylara's, in that I do win when all rebelling monsters are dead. I will, however, win harder if I'm the only angel alive at the end. I'm not sure how much of the above is bias, but I think it makes sense on at least some plane.

    Second, there is a minor case to be made against Celina as well. She was investigated by Vivet after she started losing her powers, so I'm not certain it can be 100% trusted. For now, though, I won't make a very large case against her, but it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand either.
    Your win condition appears to be the same as mine. 

    This equally means you should have a very strong desire for offing me since I assume like me, you would like the better win. 

    I will maintain that due to guilt at striking a Divine/God/Godly Servant (whatever Luce was) I cannot raise a hand against anyone during the night or during the day (for those who may want to nitpick a statement later). I can still vote for people, obviously since I have, but I have no other abilities beyond that of a normal town person since I screwed up so badly by going after Luce.

    I do find it really interesting everyone seems to come back to me, oh well. If I'm offed I can go back to focusing on my exams.

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


  • VivetVivet , of Cows and Crystals
    My close study of days past isn't really doing me any good. Celina, Silvanus? Any changes in perspective since the day prior?
  • ... So...
    image
  • While I don't think we really have any good choices here, I think Dylara is maybe the best bet? It's either her or Sylvanus, at this point, and this is basically a dice roll between them. This is very much a gamble but I don't have anything else to go on, so...

    Vote: Dylara
    7c95dbc25a4a9ae292cccb899a49a79b18529207e135ebccd89c0877d386ebea
    ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GLOW CLOUD.
  • Sigh, fine. I have nothing more I can say in my own defence and you guys are going to do it anyways. Exam time prep time here I come.

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


  • VivetVivet , of Cows and Crystals
    Really think it would be nice if we could confirm that the murder attempt/protection on me was in fact legit before the day ends, if nothing else.
  • Yeah. I hate working under assumptions.
    image
  • Fair enough. I'll hold off on voting for now, give the quiet people a chance to speak up for another day or so.

    Unvote
    7c95dbc25a4a9ae292cccb899a49a79b18529207e135ebccd89c0877d386ebea
    ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GLOW CLOUD.
  • I still think it's Ssaliss.

    1) "It can't be be because I sent a message to Dylara about Ieptix." A non sequitur, as far as I can tell. I don't understand how this exonerates him. 

    2) Consider the previous day where I made a case about the angels, and Ssaliss not only dismissed it out of hand, but repeatedly misrepresented and misquoted me. Ssaliss outright rejected even the possibility of the angels being on the side of the Monsters because the lore didn't support it. He is now making a case against an angel.

    3) 've been confirmed by Vivet, and he's still trying to create scenarios that make  me appear guilty. Do I think he thinks I'm guilty at this point? No, but I think he's covering his bases like he did the previous day. I don't think he ever actually thought I was guilty, because he's on the side of the Monsters and he already knew. What I do see is he appears to always have a fall back option so he can play the "well nothing is certain, anything is possible," card. If you present enough scenarios, odds are you are right eventually. We saw it yesterday. When I pressed him hard enough, he fell back to "well I can't be certain." Lack of certainty is implied in this game, the only reason you say it out loud is if you want to recall it later when people accuse you.

    4) He's making a case against Dylara. I've been pushing the angels, starting with Dylara, several days back. Yet in the same post, he's still making a case against me. The contradiction is glaring and mind boggling. As I previously stated, I think he's covering his bases. 

    5) He waited until now to show his win condition. Remember the case he made about the lore and how the angel lore does not support anything about them supporting monsters? His very own role has a lore contradiction in it, the archangels being opposed to one another and having win conditions that encourage offing the others, and he knew it this whole time. So why was he making that case, when he knew it was fundamentally wrong based on his own role? 




  • vote: Ssaliss
  • 1. So what you're saying is that I have the power to send messages to someone at the same time as trying to kill someone else? Activating two powers at night is essentially unheard of. I honestly can't think of a single case of that being possible in all of the games that have been played so far.

    2. There is no lore reason for an angel to start out with the rebelling monsters. Zero. I fully believe that Dylara started out winning with town. However, when she killed Luce, who was a God (or at least as related to Gods as we angels are), then all bets are off. I think there is a possibility that that would cause her to fall. Am I certain? Of course not. Note that I haven't voted for her.

    3. I merely pointed out that you were investigated after we were past the five-day period of her power. That's all. Don't make a feather into a chicken.

    4. I wasn't explicitly making a case against anyone in particular. At least that wasn't my intent. I went through everyone around, pointed out why I discounted most people as being killers, and pointed out why it was possible for others to be said killer. As I said, I haven't even voted for anyone yet.

    5. I waited until now because there was no relevance to that win condition before now. I never accused Dylara of anything, I never pushed for Dylara in any way. As such, my alternate win condition was completely irrelevant until now.

    Also, one thing to consider... Why would I try to push everyone into action if I'm among the monsters? I'm likely one of the few people around who is safe from the end-of-day random lynch. It would be easy for me to let random chance have its way and just idle the days away.
    image
  • SilvanusSilvanus The Sparrowhawk
    I have no information and remained the same since whenever I revealed so long ago. I did use a power last night to protect myself but no one attached me
    2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.
  • Yes, that's literally possible. I had 2 night powers in the Manhattan Project game, and I was scum. That is an extraordinarily flimsy defense. 

    All you did was put ampersands in front of people's names. I wouldn't call that "pushing everyone into action." 

    He's backpedaling at this point, and I think he's the best choice. Note again that he's championing the lore defense, while his own role has a super angel survivor win condition that is not grounded in any kind of lore. The Archangels weren't vying for the last angel standing. It just doesn't make any sense why he took that route, it's so inconsistent. 
  • I'm clearly not built for forum games, and I'm sorry for my rare posts and the like. I will confirm that I protected Vivet, hopefully not to my own demise. I don't have anything else to add at this time, unfortunately.
  • So you're saying that I have:

    1) A power to see if someone is monster or god and send that information to someone else (which, honestly, I can't see the point of having as scum).
    2) A power to kill someone that I can use on the same night as the first.
    3) Investigation immunity (since Vivet confirmed me)
    4) Immunity to truthtelling (since Krackenor confirmed me)
    5) I attacked myself (I was attacked during night... three, I think?)

    Also, while I didn't remember your powers in the Manhattan mafia, looking them up it seems that if your team chose to fire someone, you lost both of your powers during that night. That is one heck of a limitation; your claim is that I can both kill someone and investigate someone else.

    I also think I've done a fair bit more than link to people. I've tried to get information and to sum it up. I've tried to find the one who tried to kill Vivet (and why would I do that if it were me?). I've had the most posts of anyone during this game (122 with this post; the next one is Vivet at 80). If I truly were scum, I would much rather sit silently and just let the day time out, posting enough to be active but not enough to make a target out of myself.

    I'm also not sure how I'm backpedaling here. Yes, I spent more time writing about Dylara's potential for being the last killer, as she was the one who required the most explanation. It was pretty easy to say how Silvanus could be the last killer, as A) he's a monster, and B) he's never been investigated beyond that (not counting Synkarin's truth-telling (I think it was Synkarin and not Krackenor), which gave a lying flag about the win condition, which I would also have called a lie as he wrote it). I didn't, however, say that I think she was the killer. I even pointed out that I still wasn't sure who to vote for.

    As for the "lore" argument, that one kinda went out the window when she killed Luce. I'd imagine killing a God would be a pretty big thing for an Angel (which is also reflected by her claim of losing the ability to nightkill). It wouldn't be at all odd for her to lose her current means of attack (a flaming sword) and instead gain another (which is unknown to us). Heck, Lucifers attack on God could even be used as lore justification in this case. While she isn't Lucifer, she did the same thing; attacked a God.

    Is it odd for us angels to have a "defeat all other angels" win condition? Yeah, it absolutely is. I was rather surprised when I read that one. It does not, however, mean that I'm scum. Me being an angel is far from the only argument for my innocence.
    image
  • The more I think about it, the more confident I am that Dylara is the one who tried to kill Vivet. As such, I will

    Vote: Dylara
    image
  • Yep, fine. Go for it. I have nothing more to add.

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


  • VivetVivet , of Cows and Crystals
    I feel like Celina makes some good points, but Ssaliss is just as correct on a number of his own. Between my investigation and active participation throughout the game as a force for momentum, I'm not quite inclined to think it is him.

    I'm more wary of Silvanus now, but can accept his behaviour and perspectives fall in line with his proclaimed role, and there is support for it.

    Celina feels like town to me still, too.

    Dylara might have to be the way we go, but this option still leaves me uneasy. I don't know. If there's no new arguments in a day or two, I might just have to accept this is our best path.


  • Othero and Krackenor haven't been as forthcoming with information (that I can believe or trust in) as some of their contemporaries. For this they have earned some quality time with Tiamat, whose five heads will regrettably have to be satisfied with just two new chewtoys.

    Othero maintains a lack of allegiance to either side and Krackenor is claiming to be the Goddess Nemesis, a bomb who would have won with the town. (I don't personally believe this because the number of scum needed for lynch or lose yesterday (four) doesn't match up to his claim of innocence.

    Not to mention this gem as well.

    Krackenor said:
    Krackenor said:
    I'm investigating Cyndarin's allegiance claim; just waiting on the response now. 
    Sorry, I'm a tired moron. I investigated OTHERO's claim. Anyway I learned that Othero was telling the truth when he said:

    1.  He is Cerberus
    2. He is not on the side of the Gods or Monsters
    3. He wins after being the last to lynch 3 times
    The only other useful bit of knowledge was that his claim that 'There is no Empusa' came back as an opinion, which tells me that that while there may be an Empusa out there, he does not know for certain (and thus can't be in league with her)

    Here you see Krackenor with his false-claim that he maintained throughout most of his game.

    Compare with the roleclaim he provided me before I dumped him in Tiamat's food dish.

    Nemesis: You are the goddess of divine retribution. The one who brings death to those who would dare to defy the will of the gods. Your name is also the word used to indicate a much loathed person whom you struggle to overcome and make yourself superior to, sometimes by outright killing them. Funny how language changes and... hrm? Oh right, your role in all of this. As the goddess of divine retribution, you're here to put down the squabbling rebelling monsters.

    Role: You're a God. You win when divine retribution has been delivered unto the monsters.

    Retribution: Whenever you are killed or lynched, you will take down the one who killed you, or the one who placed the final vote on you.

    No mention of any Truth Detector powers there, huh? Yeah, I thought it was funny too. It brings EVERYTHING outlined in this post into question.
    Krackenor said:
    I've given it some thought, and have come up with the following:

    Things I know
    1. Ssaliss is not a rebelling monster, and wins when the monsters die and are otherwise put down
    2. Othero is Cerberus, is aligned with neither the gods nor the monsters, and wins when he is the last lynch 3 times
    3. Vivet is acting really strangely
    4. Yavina is a God, according to my mystical angelic visitor (probably Idunn)
    Things I suspect strongly
    1. Silvanus is who he says he is and just wants to live to the end of the game
    2. Celina is Medusa
    3. Something bad is going to happen to Vivet after day 5 (maybe explaining oddness?)
    Matters which I am in the dark
    1. ANYTHING about Ieptix
    2. ANYTHING about Dylara except that she wantonly murdered somebody night 1
    3. Celina's motivations
    Vivet (who's advice has been pretty accurate until now) vouches for Ieptix. I want to know more, but I'll settle with it for now.

    While I'm still suspicious of Celina with relation to the message, her killing of Falmiis endears her to me. Further, the claim that there are two mafia groups came from Tekora (who also wrongfully accused me and Ssaliss, two people I know are town, of being mafia).

     In the meantime, Dylara has spoken very little, revealed very little, and claims to have committed a blatantly violent act with no apparent thought behind it during night 1. It could be possible that the garbled message was referring to her wasteful use of a one time power, I honestly don't know. However, unless somebody convinces me otherwise, I'm going to go with the following:

    Unvote
    Vote: Dylara

    Here you have Krackenor attempting to discredit Vivet, defending and attempting to take heat off of both Silvanus and Ssaliss, and of course, voting for Dylara. 

    What should we take away from all this? I think you all need to take much closer looks at Silvanus and Ssaliss. Also, figure out if it's still My/LyLo or not.
  • Krackenor mentioned that he developed the truth-telling power only after Synkarin was offed, and he somehow absorbed it without knowing it would happen. I've recently theorized that the absorption was some sort of reincarnation, since Synkarin was the Bhudda, where the power got transferred to the killer, but I'm not sure how much sense that makes, or how Krackenor specifically ended up with the power since he wasn't the final lynch. I dunno. Given the janitor thing I'm reasonably confident that he was mafia (along with Lavinya), but that's all just theory because stupid bloody janitor.

    And per Kira's post at the beginning of the day, we're still in MyLo, only it's apparently wildly unlikely that it ends up being an issue today at least.
    7c95dbc25a4a9ae292cccb899a49a79b18529207e135ebccd89c0877d386ebea
    ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY GLOW CLOUD.
  • VivetVivet , of Cows and Crystals
    Dylara, perhaps you might provide a suggestion of your own, for how we can spend the day? Honestly, right now the most troubling thing with you seems to be the shift of demeanor. You're becoming defeatist, and your opinions feel closed to me. That might be a matter of circumstance with how long the game has gone on, or because you're as lost as I am, but we really need everyone raising their voice now.
  • Yes, it is because I am lost (and exams, cursed exams). You guys keep coming back to me despite what I've said, I have nothing more I can say in defence of myself that I have not already said. Those I've harboured suspicion against are dead (Othero, Krackenor) and the only letter that gave me any hint of a Monster I brought to the attention of the rest of the town. 

    We could go for the quiet ones as it is generally a tactic of either hiding valuable roles or mafia roles to be quiet as they do not register on most people's radar. 

    Silvanus and Yavina, to me, are the quietest. They really do not provide much for the town to work with. I did miss a huge swath of posts yesterday because I was on my phone on the forums all day so I could've missed them both being extremely chatty, but I really can't recall much of their discussion throughout the entire game..

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


  • SilvanusSilvanus The Sparrowhawk
    I am the quietest because my entire role and purpose was revealed on day 2. My role is a near mirror of Luce but with powers directed towards defending myself and that one day blocker power that I used.

    I do not believe Ssaliss. But I will follow Ieptix. I think I said that on day 4? or day 5.
    2014/04/19 01:38:01 - Leolamins drained 2000000 power to raise Silvanus as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2014/07/23 05:01:29 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Munsia as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2015/05/24 06:03:07 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Arimisia as a Vernal Ascendant.
    2015/05/24 06:03:58 - Silvanus drained 2000000 power to raise Lavinya as a Vernal Ascendant.

  • Silvanus said:
    I am the quietest because my entire role and purpose was revealed on day 2. My role is a near mirror of Luce but with powers directed towards defending myself and that one day blocker power that I used.

    I do not believe Ssaliss. But I will follow Ieptix. I think I said that on day 4? or day 5.
    Oops, I forgot about that, but still, you can keep talking and helping the town figure this out too.

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


  • Silvanus said:
    I am the quietest because my entire role and purpose was revealed on day 2. My role is a near mirror of Luce but with powers directed towards defending myself and that one day blocker power that I used.

    I do not believe Ssaliss. But I will follow Ieptix. I think I said that on day 4? or day 5.
    Well, if you don't believe me, then who do you think might've tried to kill Vivet? Have I overlooked anything with anyone, thus opening up the candidates to more than just you and Celina? Do you believe Celina in that I'm the mastermind behind it all? Is Vivet guilty, and have been feeding us misinformation the entire game? Have we killed off one of the mafia groups, and that there were two all along? Why do some people just disappear, and others are savaged by fey? Cold hard facts are one thing, but we'll never win on cold hard facts alone. We need discussions as well, and different theories, different views of everything.
    image
  • Erm, the above should read "you and Dylara", obviously. I was already in the next sentence when I finished that one...
    image
  • VivetVivet , of Cows and Crystals
    Still inclined to believe Silvanus since he claimed so early and we've seen some follow up to his claim (ex: petrifying Aerdureth).

    I really see no value in going after Yavina at all. Maybe I'm biased since my sorry butt got saved last night, but seeing the protector get suggested just makes it easier for me to sway in this direction now.

    Vote: Dylara

  • Fine. I really need to focus on other things. I did forget she was a protector.

    Vote: Dylara

    Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."

    The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
    Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.


Sign In or Register to comment.