"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
To defend myself I will say Shaddus has confirmed I don't go anywhere at night. So if I am Soulless I'm not the one doing the kills. Which would mean I most likely have some other power I'd be hiding from everyone.
He said you didn't go anywhere N3 specifically. Granted we did see 2 kills happened that night, so that's in your favor. We're still suspecting there might be 3 scum kills out there though.
Re: Selenity and Fyler, I'm suspect of them "confirming" each other without providing any real details, but that would probably be a bad play for a scum team unless they were almost at a majority win so I'll trust them on that for now.
It's a good point that we haven't really gotten much out of Lavinya. No idea what she's been up to, would also like to hear from her.
I've accepted my inevitable lynching at this stage. I have an inherently suspicious role and can't bring any info to the table, since I don't target people.
My main source of amusement at this stage comes from imagining that people are reacting as above when I somehow escape what looks like a guaranteed lynching.
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I'd also like to point out that @Othero was jailed Night 2, wasn't he? So that's Night 2 and 3 that Othero didn't kill. And last night, he was jailed and one less kill took place. It's possible - entirely possible - he's scum who felt he was now enough under the radar that he could get away with a kill.
Though, it's also possible he was targeted to be killed.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Othero (Power could just be him being soulless and knowing what the soulless do by virtue of that)
I've been wary of the same thing. He says his power still works while jailed, which is certainly unusual...but you know what wouldn't be stopped by jailing? Hearing the discussion of fellow scum. Jails happen at the end of the night, after all; Ssaliss and I still got to speak as masons the night he was killed and I was jailed. Even though his claimed power could potentially be used in tandem with other people's information to figure out scum, he's been allowed to live this long. Now with our investigative roles offed, with enough trust built he could effectively ride that kind of long-game bluff out to the end. Unless I'm misremembering (too busy to go back and check the whole thread, I really shouldn't even be posting now shhh) only one of his reports has been corroborated by anyone so far, and that is Portius saying that two Soulless did indeed get distracted by fighting each other on the first night.
And on the topic of Portius in relation to that fight...
If the Soulless really did need to vie for superiority as separate killers to start as has been suggested, that'd be a serious stroke of luck for them to find each other so early, and then to do so by just happening to target the same unrelated person on the first night of the game? Absurdly unlikely. I'm not sure what was going on with the Soulless fighting, but I think it's probable that Portius was involved somehow in a way that wasn't as innocent as he claims.
I'd also like to point out that @Othero was jailed Night 2, wasn't he? So that's Night 2 and 3 that Othero didn't kill. And last night, he was jailed and one less kill took place. It's possible - entirely possible - he's scum who felt he was now enough under the radar that he could get away with a kill.
Worth noting that night 2 was another day with one hostile kill. That was when Xeii and Vivet both died. We know Vivet was a vigilante, but that only leaves 1 non-vigilante kill.
Any sufficiently advanced pun is indistinguishable from comedy.
And when I say we know Vivet was a vigilante, I want it to be clear that I mean we know Vivet was killed by a vigilante, not that she had a vigilante role. I realized that my phrasing was poor as soon as I posted it.
Any sufficiently advanced pun is indistinguishable from comedy.
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I also want to say that we are not 100% sure that @Dylara is a vigilante. That is a claim at this point. It's likely, as vigilantes are common in mafia games, but by no means are we sure she's the person she claims to be. It could just as much have been a lucky stroke of Soulless killing that allowed her to create a fake claim that lined up. I'm still a bit suspicious regarding her "limitations" because it's been four nights, and if it were me and we were hitting as many immunities as we are, I'd at least have tried one more time to off someone. I'm just not convinced enough to put this possibility off the table yet.
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Oh. Additionally. If anyone else brings the "My role isn't informative! I have nothing to share!" nonsense to the table I will personally endyou. The investigator is dead. The tracker/follower is dead. The main route of easy-access information is more or less closed. Look, I've had practically nothing to share really about the nightphase. But I'm still finding tons to talk about! We often learn more from talking during the dayphase than we learn at night. Don't give me this crap about having nothing to talk about.
Ask people questions! Interrogate! Make lists! Someone in this thread has to be lying at this point in time. Put on your sleuthing hat and go all Sherlock Holmes on this ish.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
I wish I had more night kill abilities, would be able to go after more supicious folks.
I have to ask though, who does everyone think is the most suspicious right now?
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable. Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
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I believe people are waiting for @Lavinya to speak up to determine between a Lavinya lynch or a Portius lynch.
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Mainly Portius for the reasons already stated, with Othero and Dylara being the next prime suspects if Portius flips town.
Lavinya for the lack of any claim to date. RL happened in early game, and Silvanus did confirm the win condition slip that had me suspicious early on, but yeah, hasn't given us much else to go on.
The two jailors thing is weird and uncommon, but we don't appear to have a vanilla roleblocker and I'm assuming Yomoigu is Mysrai and has shifting powers, so mebbe... Of Yomo/Weiwae, since Weiwae was confirmed by Luce, Yomo would have to be rated as more suspicious.
Then, Lehki, if safeclaims are a thing (which is also something Portius' lynching will hopefully confirm/reject), since I don't think anyone has paid any attention to him since Day 2.
More from past experience than anything in particular in this game, Sylandra, because she can be a sneaky puppetmaster. Rawr.
But the way you phrased your own win conditon back on Day whatever number, made me think you've your own unique win condition? My guess is that the Fates would be neutral in an Elder/Traitor showdown, which may mean we need to be more cautious as numbers reduce further.
But really, if Traitors are a recruiting cult rather than a killing cult, we can't take anyone as confirmed. I vouched for Krackenor (iirc) in Touhou to be the townie reporter, and got burned at the end because of it.
So in summary: Essentially everyone, which is part of the joy of mafia games (another part being the sneaky lynch surprises Sylandra highlighted earlier)
@Sylandra I don't think that was aimed at me, but was it?
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Ok, cards on the table time. I am one of the Firsts, namely Zvoltz the Architect and I have a couple of one-off powers relating my strong sense of justice.
-I can reweave the day in a matter of speaking. A twilight power, it will completely reset the day, returning to hour one, all votes removed and the lynch undone because I deem it to be unjust. It doesn't stop the victim from being re-lynched but it does mean I vouch for their innocence or think it needs more consideration. (Obviously I haven't used it yet)
-I have a one-off guardian type power, where I swoop in dressed in my shining armour and will take the fall for someone else. The double-edged sword being if they are killed, I will die in their place and game over. Haven't used it yet either.
-Lastly I have a one-off Vigilante kill because sometimes Pappa Z needs to take justice into His own hands.
I let the name slip earlier in the game mostly as a teasing little thread to see if someone would claim Him down the line. The reason I really wanted to sit on it was because timing on my powers is important and I didn't really want to have to use them to prove myself given they're one-shot. I was hoping to wait for the perfect moment, and two, I have reason to believe I am susceptible to <redacted> by <redacted>.
Man, I keep getting these really underpowered roles, and nobody believes me because everyone else is so overpowered.
Avurekhos says, "Dylara's a PvP menace in my eyes, totes rekting face."
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable. Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
I might be wrong but I'm more convinced he's a liar now. Not nearly enough awakener Gods to warrant the power he said he has.
@Sylandra There you go, you wanted me to explain earlier. I might be wrong though.
Or, you know, they could quite sensibly be claiming false identities to avoid becoming targets. If the scum think it's better to starve me out rather than lose a phase or two kills battering me down, they'd want to kill them first and be patient.
Anyway, I'd love it if you could resist the urge to lynch me for long enough to think through Lavinya's claim. But I've seen how fast this town lynches, so I' know I'd better comment now.
Tentatively: Lolwut? I can buy dying for someone else being a power. It's not even terribly good, since you wouldn't reveal investigator powers when you flipped. That would leave their innocence open to plenty of question, and odds are good that they'd be lynched again. So that one is fine.
One shot vigkill is also perfectly plausible. Although I would have expected you to use it on me by now, if you really think that I'm scum. So you could have information about the game structure guiding your choice for the day. Plus, if I flipped scum, you could easily claim it to assert your townhood. So plausible power in the general sense, but the fact that you haven't used it yet makes me suspect that you don't actually have it.
But resetting an entire day seems absolutely preposterous. Even leaving aside the fact that it would needlessly and hugely draw out the game, it makes so little sense. You cancel a lynch on someone that the town wants to lynch for probably being scum, what happens? You look like scum trying to save them. Either you get lynched, which makes them look innocent because a town desperately tried to save them because you will flip town, or they just get lynched again, which makes you look like scum for trying to save them. Especially if they flip! Or you stop a lynch that's aiming for information. Then, you look like scum whose wants to stop the town from learning something, and encourage them to lynch your target. In that one, you look kind of scummy even if they flip town, because you tried to stop an information lynch by force.
Look, I obviously haven't though through this thoroughly. But I don't buy it. It looks really powerful, like the sort of thing that nobody would make up. And some people would want to avoid lynching you because of that. But poke at it a little more, it looks like all it does is annoy the town and make you look scummy.
Any sufficiently advanced pun is indistinguishable from comedy.
So we had 3 varieties of lynch blocking twilight powers? And 2 different 1-shot vigs. Hard time swallowing that.
Like Portius said, that reset power sounds like it would just drag things out. What I wanna know is how it interacts with other 1shot day powers? If those are reset I need to ask why you didn't use it day 2 when Brea and I burned our day It would have been glorious.
I'm going to suggest we just force Lavi to use it this day, as at least some form of proof of claim.
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"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
There's a reason I haven't activated my powers. I don't really want to die, I am always very nervous about vig-killing because I might get it absolutely wrong, and the last because of the reasons you stated - I have no idea when I'd conceivably use it at this point because it would look scummy, unless I was pretty confident an innocent was being lynched because of a drive by the scum, but that's a scenario I would expect to show up when the numbers are more even in late game, when the badguys don't need as many townsfolk to go along with them to get their lynch.
I mean, it doesn't save the person so it's not super useful except for a WAIT THINK ABOUT IT GAIS. If I need to use it, let's do it sooner than later. It's not like it's a super useful power we will miss terribly.
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Re: Selenity and Fyler, I'm suspect of them "confirming" each other without providing any real details, but that would probably be a bad play for a scum team unless they were almost at a majority win so I'll trust them on that for now.
It's a good point that we haven't really gotten much out of Lavinya. No idea what she's been up to, would also like to hear from her.
My main source of amusement at this stage comes from imagining that people are reacting as above when I somehow escape what looks like a guaranteed lynching.
Though, it's also possible he was targeted to be killed.
Curse you, jailing paradox!
@Ushaara - who looks interesting to you right now?
And on the topic of Portius in relation to that fight...
If the Soulless really did need to vie for superiority as separate killers to start as has been suggested, that'd be a serious stroke of luck for them to find each other so early, and then to do so by just happening to target the same unrelated person on the first night of the game? Absurdly unlikely. I'm not sure what was going on with the Soulless fighting, but I think it's probable that Portius was involved somehow in a way that wasn't as innocent as he claims.
Worth noting that night 2 was another day with one hostile kill. That was when Xeii and Vivet both died. We know Vivet was a vigilante, but that only leaves 1 non-vigilante kill.
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I also want to say that we are not 100% sure that @Dylara is a vigilante. That is a claim at this point. It's likely, as vigilantes are common in mafia games, but by no means are we sure she's the person she claims to be. It could just as much have been a lucky stroke of Soulless killing that allowed her to create a fake claim that lined up. I'm still a bit suspicious regarding her "limitations" because it's been four nights, and if it were me and we were hitting as many immunities as we are, I'd at least have tried one more time to off someone. I'm just not convinced enough to put this possibility off the table yet.
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Oh. Additionally. If anyone else brings the "My role isn't informative! I have nothing to share!" nonsense to the table I will personally end you. The investigator is dead. The tracker/follower is dead. The main route of easy-access information is more or less closed.
Look, I've had practically nothing to share really about the nightphase. But I'm still finding tons to talk about! We often learn more from talking during the dayphase than we learn at night. Don't give me this crap about having nothing to talk about.
Ask people questions! Interrogate! Make lists! Someone in this thread has to be lying at this point in time. Put on your sleuthing hat and go all Sherlock Holmes on this ish.
I have to ask though, who does everyone think is the most suspicious right now?
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
Mainly Portius for the reasons already stated, with Othero and Dylara being the next prime suspects if Portius flips town.
Lavinya for the lack of any claim to date. RL happened in early game, and Silvanus did confirm the win condition slip that had me suspicious early on, but yeah, hasn't given us much else to go on.
The two jailors thing is weird and uncommon, but we don't appear to have a vanilla roleblocker and I'm assuming Yomoigu is Mysrai and has shifting powers, so mebbe... Of Yomo/Weiwae, since Weiwae was confirmed by Luce, Yomo would have to be rated as more suspicious.
Then, Lehki, if safeclaims are a thing (which is also something Portius' lynching will hopefully confirm/reject), since I don't think anyone has paid any attention to him since Day 2.
More from past experience than anything in particular in this game, Sylandra, because she can be a sneaky puppetmaster. Rawr.
But the way you phrased your own win conditon back on Day whatever number, made me think you've your own unique win condition? My guess is that the Fates would be neutral in an Elder/Traitor showdown, which may mean we need to be more cautious as numbers reduce further.
But really, if Traitors are a recruiting cult rather than a killing cult, we can't take anyone as confirmed. I vouched for Krackenor (iirc) in Touhou to be the townie reporter, and got burned at the end because of it.
So in summary: Essentially everyone, which is part of the joy of mafia games (another part being the sneaky lynch surprises Sylandra highlighted earlier)
@Sylandra I don't think that was aimed at me, but was it?
-I can reweave the day in a matter of speaking. A twilight power, it will completely reset the day, returning to hour one, all votes removed and the lynch undone because I deem it to be unjust. It doesn't stop the victim from being re-lynched but it does mean I vouch for their innocence or think it needs more consideration. (Obviously I haven't used it yet)
-I have a one-off guardian type power, where I swoop in dressed in my shining armour and will take the fall for someone else. The double-edged sword being if they are killed, I will die in their place and game over. Haven't used it yet either.
-Lastly I have a one-off Vigilante kill because sometimes Pappa Z needs to take justice into His own hands.
I let the name slip earlier in the game mostly as a teasing little thread to see if someone would claim Him down the line. The reason I really wanted to sit on it was because timing on my powers is important and I didn't really want to have to use them to prove myself given they're one-shot. I was hoping to wait for the perfect moment, and two, I have reason to believe I am susceptible to <redacted> by <redacted>.
I might be wrong but I'm more convinced he's a liar now. Not nearly enough awakener Gods to warrant the power he said he has.
The eye of Dylara materialises in your hands and flings itself around your neck, tightening incomprehensibly until it is irremovable.
Perfectly clean, this eyeball has been wrenched from the socket of Dylara. It has been animated by some unusual force, constantly looking around itself as if in shock or fear. It is bathed in a light covering of white flames that roll endlessly over its surface. A single chain of empyreal metal pierces either side of the eye, allowing it to be worn around the neck.
Anyway, I'd love it if you could resist the urge to lynch me for long enough to think through Lavinya's claim. But I've seen how fast this town lynches, so I' know I'd better comment now.
Tentatively: Lolwut? I can buy dying for someone else being a power. It's not even terribly good, since you wouldn't reveal investigator powers when you flipped. That would leave their innocence open to plenty of question, and odds are good that they'd be lynched again. So that one is fine.
One shot vigkill is also perfectly plausible. Although I would have expected you to use it on me by now, if you really think that I'm scum. So you could have information about the game structure guiding your choice for the day. Plus, if I flipped scum, you could easily claim it to assert your townhood. So plausible power in the general sense, but the fact that you haven't used it yet makes me suspect that you don't actually have it.
But resetting an entire day seems absolutely preposterous. Even leaving aside the fact that it would needlessly and hugely draw out the game, it makes so little sense. You cancel a lynch on someone that the town wants to lynch for probably being scum, what happens? You look like scum trying to save them. Either you get lynched, which makes them look innocent because a town desperately tried to save them because you will flip town, or they just get lynched again, which makes you look like scum for trying to save them. Especially if they flip! Or you stop a lynch that's aiming for information. Then, you look like scum whose wants to stop the town from learning something, and encourage them to lynch your target. In that one, you look kind of scummy even if they flip town, because you tried to stop an information lynch by force.
Look, I obviously haven't though through this thoroughly. But I don't buy it. It looks really powerful, like the sort of thing that nobody would make up. And some people would want to avoid lynching you because of that. But poke at it a little more, it looks like all it does is annoy the town and make you look scummy.
Like Portius said, that reset power sounds like it would just drag things out. What I wanna know is how it interacts with other 1shot day powers? If those are reset I need to ask why you didn't use it day 2 when Brea and I burned our day It would have been glorious.
I'm going to suggest we just force Lavi to use it this day, as at least some form of proof of claim.
I mean, it doesn't save the person so it's not super useful except for a WAIT THINK ABOUT IT GAIS. If I need to use it, let's do it sooner than later. It's not like it's a super useful power we will miss terribly.