I get the reasons why people do it Lavy, I'm not disagreeing with the concept, and at no point did I call them a terrible parent.
But at the same time I've a business to run, and someone allowing their kid to scream the place down for 10 minutes (yes I checked) was driving other people out of the store. At that point it's gotten to the stage where everyone else's day is being affected. It's not presuming someone's a bad parent, but that they think it's acceptable to everyone else while they take their time just browsing (the fact they didn't buy anything is irrelevant in the big picture but an additional annoyance) and then making no apologies for clearing the store of customers.
I've no problem for their parenting techniques, I've a massive issue with their distinct lack of consideration for the general public, yes sure you've got things to do that day, so does everyone else, and they aren't being disruptive to your getting things done. I sympathise that they have someone making their time difficult, but that's a responsibility as parent they've taken on. That doesn't give them a right to share that burden with everyone else, and force their shrieking banshee on other people who also just want to get on with their day.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
It's a glorious day when a child reaches that conventional stage of development where they'd rather take a right hook to the jaw than know they've disappointed somebody(although too many are never reaching that point these days).
I'm afraid any cry of 'kids these days' rings a bit hollow when literally every generation ever has found cause to complain about the generation succeeding. As Plato put it, "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?" Or perhaps you prefer Hesiod. "I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent upon frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint."
Or to put it another way: kids these days have always had problems, even when "these days" was the 8th century BC.
Jadice, the Frost Queen says to you, "Constant vigilance."
Morkarion - spend 2mins in the shoes of the parents and your opinion will change. It is certainly not a position anyone likes to be in nor a position a parent willing inflicts on anybody else or the public.
06/30/2014 19:37 Silvanus channels the power of the Megalith of Doom for you, stripping you of your Vernal Ascendant status.......bastard!!
Morkarion - spend 2mins in the shoes of the parents and your opinion will change. It is certainly not a position anyone likes to be in nor a position a parent willing inflicts on anybody else or the public.
Gods help you if you a broke single parent/guardian of a child prone to tantrums due to any sort of illness or disorders. Nothing like having to carry a three month old through a grocery store wailing her head off because everything's too bright, too loud, and there are too many people, but you need to go shopping for food and it's offpeak shopping hours. At that point, you stop caring if others are offended by the loudness of the child; you're on a mission. Get what you need, gtfo, and get home. Apologizing just slows things down and you're going to get judged whether or not you say anything.
If this was a grocery shop, or place that sells vital necessities I'd concede a point. Spending the next 10 minutes looking at dresses while parking your kid on the opposite side of the shop? Sorry, my sympathy hit zero when it's clear there was no consideration for other people.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
You really can't win as a parent - your kid is screaming, it's your fault for not controlling them. You publicly reprimand them, you get judged for whatever technique you do or don't use or for publicly shaming or embarassing the child...seriously. You can not win.
I will concede that children scream, and cry, and yell and moan. But you as a parent have taken on the responsibility of said child, and when it comes to a point where their actions are having a serious negative effect on everyone else, it's the point to remove them from the situation. Multiple other people have said here there's a point where they remove their child from the situation, and this isn't a small paddy cry, this was 10 constant minutes of full volume noise in an enclosed environment.
I mean the other recourse is to ask the parent to leave, which in hindsight I'm starting to wish I had done. Losing customers at peak trading time on a Saturday, and in exchange made no sales from her and had a thumping headache.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
If this was a grocery shop, or place that sells vital necessities I'd concede a point. Spending the next 10 minutes looking at dresses while parking your kid on the opposite side of the shop? Sorry, my sympathy hit zero when it's clear there was no consideration for other people.
Heaven forbid a woman wants to buy something nice for herself. You don't know why she is shopping for dresses. Maybe she wants to do herself that one favour, maybe she has somewhere to be, or maybe she just wants to give some money to charity. She parked the kid out of the way, at least. Yes, it was annoying for you, and yeah people left, but would they have stayed otherwise? No way to know.
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I mean the other recourse is to ask the parent to leave, which in hindsight I'm starting to wish I had done. Losing customers at peak trading time on a Saturday, and in exchange made no sales from her and had a thumping headache.
Maybe you could have given the child some candy or a lollipop. From the pictures I've seen of you Morkarion, you strike me as someone that would be a natural in entertaining kids. I find that a genuine smile from a stranger will either calm kids down (or scare them).
Your comments actually reminded me on one of my trips back home (13 hour flight) and there was a child crying for more than half the flight on the plane. Poor thing probably had problems with the air pressure. At one point, I laughed out loud because she/he took like a 15 second break and I saw everyone around me breath a sigh of relief which was short lived....
Being a parent is hard because kids don't play by the same rules as adults or they don't understand what the parents are telling them.
We don't sell that stuff, and company guidelines probably has some bullshit clause that we can't act. We're not even allowed to do basic first aid on site to customers even though some of us are fully trained.
I tend to have good rapport with most of the kids that come in, just that whole scenario irked me.
The divine voice
of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations,
Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
No. No more snow. I am soooooo done with it. I demand that it ceases falling right now.
A whisper from the trees and a frosty presence tells you, secretly, "But you are strong, little
flower, and wise." The voice shifts and expands, becoming more real. "And everything you just said
in the ritual made me feel safer. You should, too."
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
Someone forgot to tell the east coast that it's late March. Snow season is over. Where are my damn flowers?
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Cyndarinused Flamethrower! It was super effective.
PS I hate kids. Loathe them beyond all possible description. I hate when people introduce me to their kids and I'm forced to be fake nice and give a crap about their ugly shoes or that they can count to 12. Or the ones that just stare at me while snot runs down their nose. God damn creepy little buggers.
Yet, as much as I hate them and their infinite snotty, sticky, loud obnoxiousness, even I know that a screaming baby in a store is, at its very worst, an annoyance. To say that someone else's screaming kid intereferes with my day and is disrupting what I need to get done is ridiculous. Being annoyed is not a "serious negative effect." If you, or anyone, actually believe you are genuinely unable to function in society around a loud kid...or anything that can be considered "annoying," you may be a bigger baby than the one screaming and crapping everywhere.
People have to have kids. It's literally vital to our society. Kids scream and are gross and annoying. Making a big deal about it is like being pissed at the sky for being blue today. BLUE IS ANNOYING, I WANT A YELLOW SKY. GRRAAGH I CAN'T FUNCTION LIKE THIS.
(sorry, the edit function isn't working for me atm for some reason )
Must sit down and work on my custom instrument. >[
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
Drama at work. Luckily I am not involved in it but damn can people talk ugly behind each other's backs. Sure, they're right, this person messed up. But calling her fat and retarded is just uncalled for. On the other hand this whole conflict is dragging out and I can see why everyone is so annoyed. It's a clash of personal agendas and people being kept on despite not performing, and those who know they are under-performing protecting their asses at all costs. The sad truth is that this is demotivating for everyone, even those not involved like me. Plus it makes me rather anxious of what might be said behind my back. Merf
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Oh, oh, my turn for weather-related dissatisfaction!
This next week is supposed to be mostly in the 40Fs, and even reach past 50F for a day or two. This is far too hot and utterly unacceptable and I want my winter back. The acceptable range of months for snow is Sept. through July. Everywhere.
Oh, oh, my turn for weather-related dissatisfaction!
This next week is supposed to be mostly in the 40Fs, and even reach past 50F for a day or two. This is far too hot and utterly unacceptable and I want my winter back. The acceptable range of months for snow is Sept. through July. Everywhere.
Where do you live that you hate 50F?
If I could find somewhere affordable that is perpetually between 40F and 75F I might be happy forever, as a side note.
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But at the same time I've a business to run, and someone allowing their kid to scream the place down for 10 minutes (yes I checked) was driving other people out of the store. At that point it's gotten to the stage where everyone else's day is being affected. It's not presuming someone's a bad parent, but that they think it's acceptable to everyone else while they take their time just browsing (the fact they didn't buy anything is irrelevant in the big picture but an additional annoyance) and then making no apologies for clearing the store of customers.
I've no problem for their parenting techniques, I've a massive issue with their distinct lack of consideration for the general public, yes sure you've got things to do that day, so does everyone else, and they aren't being disruptive to your getting things done. I sympathise that they have someone making their time difficult, but that's a responsibility as parent they've taken on. That doesn't give them a right to share that burden with everyone else, and force their shrieking banshee on other people who also just want to get on with their day.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
"A man's not dead while his name is still spoken." - Terry Pratchett 1948-2015
Mysrai strokes the decapitated head of Persayis tenderly.
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Mysrai Thrice-Crowned intones, "DZA NA III."
You say, "Dzaa."
You nod your head emphatically.
Mysrai nods solemnly.
Mysrai gives you a peck on the cheek.
Reality solidifies, mending itself into a single paradigm as Mysrai departs.
06/30/2014 19:37 Silvanus channels the power of the Megalith of Doom for you, stripping you of your Vernal Ascendant status.......bastard!!
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
I mean the other recourse is to ask the parent to leave, which in hindsight I'm starting to wish I had done. Losing customers at peak trading time on a Saturday, and in exchange made no sales from her and had a thumping headache.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
"A man's not dead while his name is still spoken." - Terry Pratchett 1948-2015
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Your comments actually reminded me on one of my trips back home (13 hour flight) and there was a child crying for more than half the flight on the plane. Poor thing probably had problems with the air pressure. At one point, I laughed out loud because she/he took like a 15 second break and I saw everyone around me breath a sigh of relief which was short lived....
Being a parent is hard because kids don't play by the same rules as adults or they don't understand what the parents are telling them.
I tend to have good rapport with most of the kids that come in, just that whole scenario irked me.
The divine voice of Avechna, the Avenger reverberates powerfully, "Congratulations, Morkarion, you are the Bringer of Death indeed."
You see Estarra the Eternal shout, "Morkarion is no more! Mourn the mortal! But welcome True Ascendant Karlach, of the Realm of Death!
PS I hate kids. Loathe them beyond all possible description. I hate when people introduce me to their kids and I'm forced to be fake nice and give a crap about their ugly shoes or that they can count to 12. Or the ones that just stare at me while snot runs down their nose. God damn creepy little buggers.
Yet, as much as I hate them and their infinite snotty, sticky, loud obnoxiousness, even I know that a screaming baby in a store is, at its very worst, an annoyance. To say that someone else's screaming kid intereferes with my day and is disrupting what I need to get done is ridiculous. Being annoyed is not a "serious negative effect." If you, or anyone, actually believe you are genuinely unable to function in society around a loud kid...or anything that can be considered "annoying," you may be a bigger baby than the one screaming and crapping everywhere.
People have to have kids. It's literally vital to our society. Kids scream and are gross and annoying. Making a big deal about it is like being pissed at the sky for being blue today. BLUE IS ANNOYING, I WANT A YELLOW SKY. GRRAAGH I CAN'T FUNCTION LIKE THIS.
(sorry, the edit function isn't working for me atm for some reason
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Estarra the Eternal says, "Give Shevat the floor please."
Some of your neatest ones you have presented are for children's birthdays!
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This next week is supposed to be mostly in the 40Fs, and even reach past 50F for a day or two. This is far too hot and utterly unacceptable and I want my winter back. The acceptable range of months for snow is Sept. through July. Everywhere.
Winterfell.
It is in the teens as far as temperature goes, but still, there is at least some sun on the poor downtrodden East Coast.
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