I believe that all players now have either claimed a role or have had at least the name of their role revealed. A big question for me is who the hell interacted with Celina on night 1. My power showed two people interacting with her, other than myself, and no one has even stated just they did without actually claiming their power, and I'm only looking for one because of a previously mentioned assumption that the vision even shows up (which, having received one it seems less likely)
The main reason this is sticking out to me is because, If we assume the mafia is three now then that accounts for two people interacting with her on night one (as I'm iffy about the vision showing up with my particular tracking method), combine that with her not lynching Tarkenton yesterday with his miss-claim...
The previous night I monitored Luce to confirm he didn't have a night power. Literally nothing happened around him so there was no point in stating such but there was a point in allowing people to try to claim they used powers on him or that he used a power.
Similarly, I don't want to claim anything around @Tremula at least until they're definitely back and able to respond, it's important.
Shaddus and Aysidra are confirmed by being brothers
Azureus is most likely town from yesterday
We can probably say that Ssaliss is town too
I'm leaning away from Siam right now, because of logical conclusions though we will see.
That brings my list of possible candidates down to Celina and Sylandra. If you trust Celina, then the possibility is that Enyalida was scum and then Sylandra is the last scum. With the number of powers in this game and Tarkenton also having powers to get through night powers, Sylandra's ability would be useful to the scum.
The use of this power last night as opposed to a night kill would enable what happened as soon as the day started, "Tremula didn't do anything last night and no one died. Lynch time"
Given that we're down to two people that the general town don't have claims of, and that we know Enyalida isn't Vision, logically one of those two is most likely Vision. Unless someone else wants to claim it, this would mean we know who has that power now. (It could be incorporated into an already claimed role)
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Okay well. It would be really helpful if you could explain why I shouldn't be suspicious of Tremula, because I still am. I'm frankly confused on why you can't simply state Tremula's allegiance regarding the vision; are they that vague, that you require confirmation? I was under the impression they are pretty cut-and-dry. Your refusal to share more doesn't do anything to alleviate my concern.
I will say this: I've been consistent in my explanation thus far. Even before I announced I was roleblocker, I made sure to say that I took no action the night that Xeria went MIA so that, in the situation I might be lynched, someone could connect the dots regarding the night actions. I knew that my actions as roleblocker were especially important due to the fact that no one was dying, and in the event I had an untimely end, I wanted town to still be able to figure that out. There's no reason for scum to do that. Scum would want people to be confused as much as possible. I also was one of the first people to announce my 'animal' orientation, even before Synkarin demanded we do so. I've been nothing but forthright, and only withheld my power until now because I know being a roleblocker puts a target on my back at night. At this point in the game, though, saying nothing serves no point.
By the by. If anyone is doubting that I am a roleblocker, remember that the roleblocker is a chimaera from how Siam described the roleblock; the flavour text, as he put it, was running off to 'play games' with a chimaera. That's because I'm a friendly chimaera. I'm a tame one that roleblocks by, essentially, convincing people to have fun times and games with me.
I can't follow Saran's logic because I don't know what Saran knows regarding Tremula. However, I know that I am town and the roleblocker. So that kind of undermines his argument for me, too, tbh.
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@Sylandra I saw a human in what is typically a town role, the vision didn't confirm one way or the other. But I would side with town given the discussions so far about species. I believe if you check, at no point has Celina said anything to confirm the side of any visions she's received, only that she knows the roles.
For me the issue here is that no one has died at all, two nights the blocker was ineffective(blocking a doctor and blocking no one) and we might assume the scum targeted the jailer, something seemed to happen on night 3 but still no one died, you say that you blocked Siam that night yet there seems to have been no apparent motions to lynch him (your blocking claim also reinforces my thoughts about Siam's role), then you blocked Tremula last night and now people want to form a lynch train.
What's most interesting about all of this is that you and Tremula were the announced targets last night for investigation, without any proof otherwise you could have expected that Tremula was the person giving visions, by blocking her you could have expected this would prevent her from using that power to show someone either your role or her role.
Celina would only need to track one of you because either she would see you blocking Tremula at which point you claim blocker and send the lynch train at Tremula, or she would see Tremula not doing anything.
Also, given her role I actually think Tremula could be the other person who targeted Celina night one, which if she did then I'll accept Celina is town.
There's also the possibility that Azureus saw that Tarkenton was likely to be exposed, and thus dropkicked one of his own just to make himself more town'y. Also:
With so many fingers pointing at me, I might not be in the game long enough to be worth saving any cards. So an offer I can make is, if we really need someone's power to go off tonight, I can help with that, even if it leads to a sort of chain-blocking domino effect. But we'd have to time it right, especially because the list of targets we want to protect might as well form a kind of hit-list on the remaining nights.
Tarkenton couldn't have investigated Celina last night, because I used my power to make Celina immune to others' night powers. (Note her lack of a vision; I'd hoped the vision giver would move on to a different recipient, as suggested during the day, but even if they didn't I felt Celina was becoming a high enough profile target that the immunity would safely buy us another day whatever else happened. It wasn't without risk, but that's my evidence to back up my claim.)
@Ssaliss hrm, maybe, maybe not. Making someone immune to night powers does ensure their power goes through in a sense, they can't be prevented from acting by things targeting them but they'd also be affected by anything protections on the target.
Which right now seems like it would only come up if the target was jailed, given the powers it seems we have in the game.
@Sylandra I saw a human in what is typically a town role, the vision didn't confirm one way or the other. But I would side with town given the discussions so far about species. I believe if you check, at no point has Celina said anything to confirm the side of any visions she's received, only that she knows the roles.
For me the issue here is that no one has died at all, two nights the blocker was ineffective(blocking a doctor and blocking no one) and we might assume the scum targeted the jailer, something seemed to happen on night 3 but still no one died, you say that you blocked Siam that night yet there seems to have been no apparent motions to lynch him (your blocking claim also reinforces my thoughts about Siam's role), then you blocked Tremula last night and now people want to form a lynch train.
What's most interesting about all of this is that you and Tremula were the announced targets last night for investigation, without any proof otherwise you could have expected that Tremula was the person giving visions, by blocking her you could have expected this would prevent her from using that power to show someone either your role or her role.
Celina would only need to track one of you because either she would see you blocking Tremula at which point you claim blocker and send the lynch train at Tremula, or she would see Tremula not doing anything.
Also, given her role I actually think Tremula could be the other person who targeted Celina night one, which if she did then I'll accept Celina is town.
I was going to throw suspicions on Siam until I realized what I think you've realized about Siam's role. I waited, just in case the blocking didn't mean what I thought it meant, and I'm glad I waited because Ssaliss came forward. (You'll also notice, when looking at my posts before Ssaliss's reveal regarding the nightkill, that I posted assuming that someone else had been targetted by the scum. This is because I was briefly convinced that Siam was scum, and was waiting to see what he said about that night, and how he acted regarding that night and how that was reacted to by everyone else.)
And because of what I think I discovered about Siam after yesterday, it's silly to think that blocking Tremula was a grand move on my part for the reasons you've listed. I blocked Tremula 1) because other people suggested it, but also 2) because I had no idea what her role was, which defaulted, in my eyes, to that of a stealthy scum. I couldn't think of any roles left that hadn't been accounted for.
I've unvoted, anyhow. Thanks for somewhat clearing up your stance on things.
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Oh good god I hate that I can't edit on this thread. Everything borks so badly on these forums. For ease of reading, I quoted Saran above and this was my response:
I was going to throw suspicions on Siam until I realized what I think you've realized about Siam's role. I waited, just in case the blocking didn't mean what I thought it meant, and I'm glad I waited because Ssaliss came forward. (You'll also notice, when looking at my posts before Ssaliss's reveal regarding the nightkill, that I posted assuming that someone else had been targetted by the scum. This is because I was briefly convinced that Siam was scum, and was waiting to see what he said about that night, and how he acted regarding that night and how that was reacted to by everyone else.)
And because of what I think I discovered about Siam after yesterday, it's silly to think that blocking Tremula was a grand move on my part for the reasons you've listed. I blocked Tremula 1) because other people suggested it, but also 2) because I had no idea what her role was, which defaulted, in my eyes, to that of a stealthy scum. I couldn't think of any roles left that hadn't been accounted for.
I've unvoted, anyhow. Thanks for somewhat clearing up your stance on things.
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My other issue with revealing Tremulas role is that it could potentially look scummy unless they can confirm. I'm happy to like... Say it first if people want but not til they are around.
Oh I guess, the vision seems more like a memory. Another reason I think Tremula is town is because it was all nice and friendly for the most part, a bit formal and nerve wracking to start off with though
There's also the possibility that Azureus saw that Tarkenton was likely to be exposed, and thus dropkicked one of his own just to make himself more town'y. Also:
With so many fingers pointing at me, I might not be in the game long enough to be worth saving any cards. So an offer I can make is, if we really need someone's power to go off tonight, I can help with that, even if it leads to a sort of chain-blocking domino effect. But we'd have to time it right, especially because the list of targets we want to protect might as well form a kind of hit-list on the remaining nights.
Tarkenton couldn't have investigated Celina last night, because I used my power to make Celina immune to others' night powers. (Note her lack of a vision; I'd hoped the vision giver would move on to a different recipient, as suggested during the day, but even if they didn't I felt Celina was becoming a high enough profile target that the immunity would safely buy us another day whatever else happened. It wasn't without risk, but that's my evidence to back up my claim.)
To me, the two quote don't really match up.
I'm assuming (and in fairness, might be incorrect in my assumption) that the immunity I provide also protects from whatever the scum would do as an attack, whether that's killing or converting.
I'm also not sure what likely exposure of Tarkenton you imagine there might have been that I wasn't the one to provide. Let's assume I was for the moment I was scum and afraid for some reason; there's zero reason for me to be more worried about Tarkenton having been investigated during the night than any other random scum on my team. He hadn't called any attention to himself until the lie that I caught.
Take note that @Celina did say that the vision is comprised of 2 parts:
1.) Flavor text
2.) Actual mechanical role
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
I'm also not sure what likely exposure of Tarkenton you imagine there might have been that I wasn't the one to provide. Let's assume I was for the moment I was scum and afraid for some reason; there's zero reason for me to be more worried about Tarkenton having been investigated during the night than any other random scum on my team. He hadn't called any attention to himself until the lie that I caught.
Well, for one, his defense was exceptionally bland. He claimed a cop role, and said he investigated three people who we already known. It was pretty much a textbook scum claim; claim a role that was important enough to not lynch and one with information that was already known to us. I certainly would've jumped at it; we already had an investigator, so having a second seemed very unlikely.
Viravain, Lady of the Thorns shouts, "And You would seize Me? Fool! I am the Glomdoring! I am the Wyrd, and beneath the cloak of Night, the shadows of the Silent stir!"
"Oh yeah, you're a naughty mayor, aren't you? Misfile that Form MA631-D. Comptroller Shevat's got a nice gemstone disc for you, but yer gonna have to beg for it."
Please back off Tremula while she's unable to respond. I'd like to retain the option to lynch her when she shows up again if it's during this same day.
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No. It revealed he wasn't mafia. That doesn't mean he is town - he could be a third party.
To me, the two quote don't really match up.